Instead of bootlegging would it be babylegging?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Don't most of them bring it upon themselves though (OBVIOUSLY NOT IN THE CASE OF RAPE). They chose to have sex while knowing the risks (ONCE AGAIN, NOT IN THE CASE OF RAPE). If they do choose such extreme measures (assuming they got pregnant because they were irresponsible) because they fear the stigma that comes along with pregnancy then they have serious priority issues.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

The point of being pro-life, in my perspective, is not to illegalize abortion. It is to promote the choice to save the life of a potential child and not to kill him/her for the sake of convenience, to convince women and make them see that abortion is wrong and dangerous.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Basically, to illegalize choice.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

....no.... I'm pretty sure I just explained that our goal was not to illegalize the choice, it is to eliminate the need for the choice.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

There will still be the need.. Just not the choice.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Ok, don't listen to what I just said, that's cool too.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Read your own post, then get back to me. x] you're promoting the choice to let the fetus live by taking away the choice to abort.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

We're not trying to take away the choice to abort. We're trying to take away the NEED for the choice; if you convince women to keep their child or give it up for adoption, by telling them that abortion is wrong and dangerous, there won't be as great a need for abortion to be practiced, and so the number of abortions will go down. The option will still be there, because we can't completely get rid of it. However, lessening the need lessens the number of abortions performed, which increases the number of children that are allowed life.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You've made no link between showing your side and the lowering need.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

If you convince more women to be pro-life and keep their kid, there will be less women in need of abortion, therefore lowering the amount of abortions performed (aka lowering the need). Satisfied?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You're convincing them by taking away the option to do what they wish with their body... And either way, PACKERS WON!!!!!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Your reasoning is running in a circle... you're saying that we are trying to convince them by illegalizing the choice, but I just said that we aren't trying to illegalize it; we are trying to convince women, outside of the political light, that morally and healthfully, abortion is wrong and they should not have one. There is nothing in there about illegalizing the actual choice to have an abortion. There are some pro-life people that ARE vying for illegalization, but my personal opinion (and the opinions of many others, I would assume) is that it's more effective to convince women on a personal level rather than eliminate the choice by legal force. And, yeah, I know... >_>

by Anonymous 14 years ago

And THAT'S how you make a comment! My work here is done, you're welcome =]

by Anonymous 14 years ago

coolz, i luv posts that start the samez debates ive seen alls over amirite! I've seen this debate way too many times and the responses never change. It's getting old.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Seriously, just fuck off.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

True but it will definitely decrease the amount of abortions: saving lives. That's what matters.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

they're not lives

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You're right. And while we're at it, let's let everyone do anything because making something illegal won't stop it... I say we just let the whole world do any sort of drugs (so they won't do it illegally, like we know they are anyway), we can allow people to steal organs (which happens in the black market) to do it legally so that it won't just happen in the black market, but also every where else. We should also allow people to kill others because, hey, let's face it, their doing it anyway. Immigration should be legal so people who are doing it anyway don't have to hurt themselves in the process when they sneak through the border... This sounds like a great idea.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I agree with you as well.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

take a look at amsterdam

by Anonymous 13 years ago

This is exactly why gun control laws should be loosened...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

We shouldn't even have to vote on it. I mean, if someone wants an abortion, let them get it. It's not your child or life you would have to live so we should stop making decisions for the future of other people, whether it saves a life or not.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Should we let someone abuse their child just because they want to? Obviously not. The only difference between the two circumstances is that you might believe the fetus isn't alive. Well, I believe that the fetus is alive and, just like a chid, can't defend itself from a parent who is trying to harm it. In that case, it is our responsibility to say that it isn't right for the mother to abort her child just because she doesn't want it. *These situations vary depending on each case... I'm not referring to rape victims or times when the mother and baby would both die as a result of this pregnancy.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Well, so be it. Those fetuses must be in so much pain lol.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Animals kill their babies in case they are unable to take care of them or if the babies are unable to survive. Humans have a similar instinct and the OP has a point when they say that when a woman wants to get rid of a baby she will do it with any means necessary. If abortion was illegal I'm sure even suicide would become an option for some desperate women. Pro-lifers have a nice idea, but that's all it is. An idea. It doesn't work in real life. Having babies isn't simple and most women can't just suddenly push out a baby and go: "Oh, I had a baby! Whoops! Better just give it up for adoption!" No, it will most likely ruin their life in many ways. They may have to give up school or work because of their pregnancy. It could influence their entire social life, dramatically! Some families will disown a woman with an unwanted pregnancy. Not to mention depression, financial problems etc. So yeah, you can save a baby but will most likely ruin several other lives on the way. Good job.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Thank you! You bring up many interesting points. As with something I believe Breakfastfan said one time, the government shouldn't be involved in such a personal and emotional decision. Just as the government can't tell us who we can marry, which is a personal decision, they should not be allowed to be involved in abortion issues.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Also, what if there was a good chance you'd die due to childbirth? Sorry if it may seem selfish but I'd rather save my own life rather than my baby's.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

nobody seems to have considered the fact that maybe every once and awhile, a baby is an accident. i know a girl whose parents used birth control and condoms and they STILL got pregnant. how many of you who voted this down have adopted children? if you do, amen, and you have the right to oppose abortions because you can afford to take care of an unwanted child. if you don't have an adopted child, then you're part of the problem, not the solution. i believe that an abortion should at least be an option. a SAFE, LEGAL option.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Pro Lifers don't seem to understand the fight. There is no pro abortion group in America or anywhere I can think of. Democrats focus on sex education and abstinence in order to keep down teen pregnancy and unwanted pregnancy. Democrats aren't spending all this money on abortion education. Nobody wants abortion, not even the left wing. Democrats just want to right to choice. They want the right to choose what happens with your own body. And the pro lifers may not understand what choice is, but choice does involve the choice against abortion. Just because it's a choice doesn't mean everyone is going to choose the less favorable option. This isn't an abortion issue on whether it's good or not like many of you seem to think. Rather it's a rights issue and an issue of government interference. Does the government have the right to interfere with such a personal, emotional decision that concerns a woman's own body? And does the mother's rights triumph over the fetus' rights? Those are the ...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

...issues at hand.

by Anonymous 14 years ago