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Even though America is suppose to be the free country, lately it has seemed that Christians are the ones getting the least respect. Not all of us are racists, homophobes, or get in your face convert Christians. It seem like it's a double standared to us when we say we don't support gay marriage. If you have the right to support it, why not have the right to oppose it? amirite?

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You can oppose gay marriage all you want, but you have no right to outlaw it.

@AtheisticMystic You can oppose gay marriage all you want, but you have no right to outlaw it.

If we oppose it, we vote against it. Why would you vote for something you oppose, or even why would you choose not to vote if you have a viewpoint on it.

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@thatguys If we oppose it, we vote against it. Why would you vote for something you oppose, or even why would you choose not...

I'd wouldn't smoke marijuana because I think it's gross but I support citizen's right to use it because I don't think the government has any right to ban something as harmless as marijuana. It's the same thing. Not liking gay marriage is one thing, preventing gay people from getting married is totally different.

@fEMMAnist I'd wouldn't smoke marijuana because I think it's gross but I support citizen's right to use it because I don't...

Some people like gay marriage, but are against it. I'm that way. I see no reason why not to, but strictly for religious reasons I am against it.

You can call me illogical, you can call me stupid, bigoted, etc, but that doesn't take away my right to vote, and therefore I do have a right to outlaw it, so long as I am part of a voting majority. AthiesticMystic was wrong on that one.

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Everyone has the right to oppose anything, just as others have the right to tell them they're fucktards for doing so.
Some one could come on here and have the right to say that they support slavery or something, if they really wished to.

But, with rights come responsibilities. Disliking homosexuals doesn't come under "religious freedom" any more than any other type of discrimination does. Accept that your stance is bigoted, and if you still want to stand by it, accept the consequences. If you started spouting shite about homosexuals being evil or a sin at work and got fired, the same if you got fired for spouting shite about coloured people being inferior, then don't hide under the "religious persecution" label.

You do have the right to oppose gay marriage, just as you have the right to say every non-Christian should be killed, or something equally retarded. And others have the right to laugh at your fucktarded-ness.

@Simon Everyone has the right to oppose anything, just as others have the right to tell them they're fucktards for doing...

Just because you disagree with something someone does does not mean you automatically dislike them.
Christians are supposed to love everyone.

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@Simon Everyone has the right to oppose anything, just as others have the right to tell them they're fucktards for doing...

Simon I fuckin love you, since I've seen your face everywhere in the past week lol

And I agree...but that's not where it stops. Christians are looked DOWN upon for protesting against gay marriage or sticking to their beliefs, while a pro-gay marriage person is supported for sticking with it and fighting for it.

It's truly a double standard. One belief is looked up on, one is down.

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@thatguysbro Simon I fuckin love you, since I've seen your face everywhere in the past week lol And I agree...but that's not...

You're looked down upon because you're denying people their rights, not because of your religion.

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@Jayzee You're looked down upon because you're denying people their rights, not because of your religion.

This is a little late, but I disagree. While it is denying people their rights, you cannot tell me that you haven't seen someone judged because they say they're Christian. Especially on an atheist majority website, whenever someone says they're a Christian the hate comes pouring down. I will still proudly say I am one, but it is a lie to say we're not "looked down upon" for our beliefs.

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@tea_ This is a little late, but I disagree. While it is denying people their rights, you cannot tell me that you haven't...

What the FUCK are you talking about? We live in America. America is a country founded upon Christianity and the belief in God. How the fuck do you believe you are looked down upon for your beliefs when the majority of our nation is Christian? Atheists are just returning the hate for the complete bullshit you fundamentalist assholes give all of them. And you make it clear that you look down upon the gays for THEIR beliefs, just as I'm looking down on you for your beliefs. The difference is, Christians are the majority. Another difference is when people look down upon you, they aren't denying you your rights. What if that fictional book of yours was hating on the straights. Would you then be an automatic lesbian as you follow blindly? Let me guess: you were born Christian and never actually took the time to wonder whether your beliefs made ANY fucking sense. There's more evidence in Santa Claus than God. To sum it all up, you are a blind, hypocritical asshole.

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@What the FUCK are you talking about? We live in America. America is a country founded upon Christianity and the...

America was founded on the belief of seperation of Church and State, and religious freedom. That's why the settlers came to America, to have religious freedom. That is all.

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@tea_ America was founded on the belief of seperation of Church and State, and religious freedom. That's why the settlers...

The political system was founded on the belief of separation of Church and Sate, not the country. Besides, if an atheist ran for any political positions, they would be hopeless.

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@thatguysbro Simon I fuckin love you, since I've seen your face everywhere in the past week lol And I agree...but that's not...

I think the double standard arises because same-sex marriage and religion are two seperate issues - I would disagree with anyone trying to prevent same-sex couples from having the same rights as opposite-sex couples - no matter what their religious affiliation.

For me, most freedoms of expression are on the same level - I support for a person to worship as they please just as much as I support sexual freedoms. Had this post not mentioned same-sex marriage, I probably would have agreed with it.

Gay marriage is not a religious issue. Yes, many religions have religious marital ceremonies - not just Christianity, Judaism and Islam have religious marriages. But marriage is a legal standing, and a legal partnership, not anything to do with religion.

And, perhaps I was a little too harsh, but it does fire me up when people try to mix religion with politics.

@thatguysbro Simon I fuckin love you, since I've seen your face everywhere in the past week lol And I agree...but that's not...

I fully support people having the right to faith, the right to religion, and the right to worship - but not if they try and twist it into taking other's rights away.

I just disagree a lot with the wording of this post - it complains about one group being oppressed (Christians) and then says that that group should have the "right" to oppress another (homosexuals).

@Simon I fully support people having the right to faith, the right to religion, and the right to worship - but not if they...

(These were actually my posts, I was on my bro's account, hence his username haha)

Really, I couldn't agree more, but I, as a Christian, kind of have to. Yes, I totally agree that it is irrational to stop other people from getting married and getting this command from a 1000+ year old book, and I think that it's no skin of my nose for those who want to have premarital sex or get a gay marriage.

But ya know, I have to vote that way anyways. That's why it's religion, it doesn't have to make sense, but it does have to tie into EVERYTHING you do, even your political vote.

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@thatguys (These were actually my posts, I was on my bro's account, hence his username haha) Really, I couldn't agree more...

This is a really late comment, but anyways...

You are not forced to vote anyway. A democrat doesn't have to vote for the democratic presidential candidate, and no one is following you to where you vote saying, "VOTE AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE OR GOD WILL KILL YOU AND SEND YOU TO HELL." I know of Christians who believe in gay marriage, and no one hates them for it. You'd think your God would agree that everyone should have rights, since he apparently loves everyone.

@EstoniaObsessed This is a really late comment, but anyways... You are not forced to vote anyway. A democrat doesn't have to vote...

Actually, because of my beliefs I have to. What about your parents? If they give you a rule that you KNOW is irrational, would you just ignore it? I don't believe he'd send me to hell for it, but I also don't believe that I can say "eh, I'll obey these rules, but not these, just because I don't feel like it (or because one is declared more logical to follow than another)".

What I'm trying to say is that I obviously don't HAVE to, but if I choose Christianity, then I don't believe that it's a religion that you get to pick and choose what parts of the Bible you want to believe and what parts you don't (although, some Jewish laws were overturned by Jesus. I hate when people say "You where clothes of two different material!!! That's sacrilegious too!!!" because it's not, it's one of the things overturned. Gay marriage wasn't). That also ties into why I dislike all the branches of Christianity, where they are the DEFINITION of picking and choosing what to believe lol :p.

And of course he loves them, he loves everyone. That doesn't mean he loves what they are doing though. He loves the serial killers, the rapists, and the child molesters, but he doesn't condone their actions. Not th...

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@thatguys Actually, because of my beliefs I have to. What about your parents? If they give you a rule that you KNOW is...

Yes, I would tell my parents that their rule was irrational and argue with them (mainly because I'm a good kid who only argues when I know I'm right, which is rarely). But it's not so much picking and choosing, it's deciding that the rights of fellow human beings matter more than what a book written over a thousand years ago says. There are so many things even in the new testament that people don't follow, so why would supporting - not even committing - a sin that isn't hurting anyone and is giving people their rights be worse than that?

@EstoniaObsessed Yes, I would tell my parents that their rule was irrational and argue with them (mainly because I'm a good kid who...

If they are not following the New Testament, they aren't very good Christians to be honest. And yea, the parent thing was a horrible metaphor, I'd do the same :/

But supporting a sin is actually worse than committing it. If you commit it, you can always regret it, repent, etc. If you actually support it, you were glad you did it. That, or if you didn't do it, you were happy that someone else did.

I guess the flaw with the parent metaphor is that at any time you can argue with them and try to use logic. Well, Jesus isn't exactly physically around, and neither is God, so you can't fight it or ask about it. Say your parents left you a note saying "Whatever you do, do NOT __". They left without phones or any means of contact. Would you choose to disobey them till they came back, or do what they said?

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@thatguys If they are not following the New Testament, they aren't very good Christians to be honest. And yea, the parent...

Again, still disobey. There's not many times when I'd disobey my parents, but when it comes to the rights of other people, that takes precedence over my parents' illogical rule.

It's not so much that you're being a good Christian, that's fine. But when other humans - the people that you have absolutely proof exist and have feelings - are having their rights compromised, that's when you should be disobeying God. The bible is old, and there are still ridiculous rules in the New Testament that people don't think about (like women not being able to wear anything nice or braid their hair or for anyone to call anyone but God "father"), so why should the rule that is stopping people from getting married, which provides numerous legal benefits, among other things (married people tend to live longer and be happier), be followed? Marriage isn't even a religious ceremony anymore, it's a legal one.

@EstoniaObsessed Again, still disobey. There's not many times when I'd disobey my parents, but when it comes to the rights of other...

and where are you getting these things from the New Testament about women unable to wear braids and all that? Please quote the verse. I'm not trying to be a dick about it, if you find it I'll gladly accept it :)

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@EstoniaObsessed Again, still disobey. There's not many times when I'd disobey my parents, but when it comes to the rights of other...

Marriage isn't too big of a legal thing. Do they HAVE to get married in order to live together? Hell, they can own real estate and structure together without marriage. Gay marriage isn't about marriage. It's about gay marriage, if you catch what I mean. Mostly and attention-getter. Like the Declaration of Independence. Not a very good metaphor, but it highlights the concept that everyone and their dog knew the colonies' leaders wanted to be free from Great Britain, and it was just a declaration. It was a piece of paper that really meant nothing.

Same sorta goes for marriage. Men and women live together in a marriage lifestyle without needing the paperwork at all.

But this is me going on a legal tangent instead of a religious one, so I'll stay on topic, you don't even have to reply to that :p

Anyways, I'm sorry, but that's what faith is. I believe the thousand year old book over people's rights. If a living breathing man looked up at the sky and said "The sky is white", I'd have to disagree, I see, and believe, that it's blue/black (I'm heavy on metaphors, can't ya tell? lol). Then he says "I will be unable to live happily until you accept that it's white", well, sorry man, no...

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@thatguys Marriage isn't too big of a legal thing. Do they HAVE to get married in order to live together? Hell, they can own...

My great aunt is gay, and so is my uncle, and I think you're absolutely wrong there. It's not about being flashy, it's about being to adopt together, to pull the plug if the other is brain dead. It's about more than just the piece of paper being signed.

If someone told you that the sky was white because the piece of bacon that they believed created everyone said so, and because the sky was white, all people over the age of 27 couldn't see their parents ever again, what would you say? I get your metaphor, and we're obviously not going to change each other's opinions on this, but some dude saying the sky is white isn't restricting the rights of 1/10 men and 1/20 women on this planet because of something someone that lived 2,000 years ago said.

"...that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire" (Timothy 2:9); "Let not yours be the outward adorning of braiding of hair, decoration of gold, and wearing of fine clothing" (Peter 3 :3).

"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven" (Matthew 23:9).

@EstoniaObsessed My great aunt is gay, and so is my uncle, and I think you're absolutely wrong there. It's not about being flashy...

Bible is heavy on metaphors. The first two actually address humility, while the third addresses the first and second commandment.

Nice metaphor, but the gravity of two don't apply. Like I said in my metaphor, the guy just wanted to be happy. Not do what his Creator said, like Christians. Your guy wanted to do much more rash things.

And I understand what you're getting at, but there's a back door in every legal system. You really think marriage is the only way to give legal rights to another human being? If gays and lesbians want to give trust to their partner, there's plenty of ways other than marriage. ie, it's a flashy thing that isn't needed.

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@thatguys Bible is heavy on metaphors. The first two actually address humility, while the third addresses the first and...

And people will still show off, dress their best, etc.

Yeah, I just realized that I switched the people in the metaphor... Except in your metaphor, the guy who thinks the sky is white is denying a fact. In the case of gay marriage, you're denying people their rights, not just their imagination.

There are loopholes, but it's a lot harder to adopt your partner's kids from a previous relationship if you're not married. So if it's a flashy thing, then why does anyone get married? I would be pissed if someone told me I wasn't allowed to get married because, say, my boyfriend worked with dolphins and dolphins are outlawed by some crazy person's beliefs that all dolphins are out to rule the world. Yes, there are ways to get some of the legal benefits of marriage without being married, but it's a lot easier to be married.

@EstoniaObsessed And people will still show off, dress their best, etc. Yeah, I just realized that I switched the people in the...

You're right, I have no clue why people get married. I understand a religious thing, sorta, but legally I have no clue.

And there's NO way a few legal documents are easier than setting up marriage, as long as you're not eloping or anything. Our legal system is a bitch to deal with, but not that much of a bitch.

Even though they do show off, that's still wrong. Looking good is different from showing off. And just because they do it doesn't make it ok.

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@thatguys You're right, I have no clue why people get married. I understand a religious thing, sorta, but legally I have no...

Okay, well how about we start telling people are are attempting to impress someone or are really excited about a new outfit that they got that God hates what they're doing? Let's focus on that instead of something else that's not harming you at all.

Marriage, in the legal sense, is pretty easy. There's a few documents that you have to sign, a small fee of like $50, and you just go to City Hall. But attempting to adopt your partner's kids from a marriage before or be able to see them if they were in a bad accident and in the hospital, when a lot of times, they only allow family to go in while the patient is still in a critical condition?

People get married legally for the benefits. http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyc...its-30190.html and I'm just going to put Wikipedia on here too, even though everyone seems to think it's false in a debate... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ri..._United_States

I understand if you're opposed to marriage (though I don't understand why you are, there are many benefits and you're just saying outright there aren't), and you can oppose gay marriage all you want. But you shouldn't be able t...

@EstoniaObsessed Okay, well how about we start telling people are are attempting to impress someone or are really excited about a...

I'm assuming it finished with "But you shouldn't be able to outlaw it?" Well, that's what voting is for. Since the majority of the US is Christian, then the majority votes against it. Even if 49% advocate gay marriage, sorry (unless it's like a 2/3 vote like in some states).

And, well, yes. I do tell people if they are being glutinous about their looks. I tell them not to say g*d dammit, I tell them to not put anything before God, I tell them not to lie, cheat, or steal. Gay marriage just happens to be on the list, too. Like I said, I don't pick and choose, so stop throwing other sins in my face that you're assuming that I let slide when I advocate none. I focus on ALL of them.

But I'll give you that Wikipedia thing (most people are bullshit, it's a source. I've rarely found things incorrect on there).

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@thatguys I'm assuming it finished with "But you shouldn't be able to outlaw it?" Well, that's what voting is for. Since the...

That is what it said. I don't think you should be able to outlaw something that has no affect on your own life and is giving people rights. It's illogical, and it's just mean.

The thing is, it's impossible to be free of all sins. But you don't see a lot of Christians going out and fighting those "lesser" sins.

@EstoniaObsessed That is what it said. I don't think you should be able to outlaw something that has no affect on your own life and...

However, I do. Which I feel gives me the right to start looking at other sins such as homosexuality. I rarely actually say the word "God" or "Jesus", while others say GD constantly. That's a really really "lesser" sin that no one even cares about.

You ragging on Christians that commit lesser sins for not advocating gay marriage is like me ragging on Muslims because a couple of them knocked a few buildings over in America. You really are singling us out, which actually refers to the original post that Christians are discriminated against. Not all of us are like that. I just happen to vote a different way than you, logical or not.

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@thatguys However, I do. Which I feel gives me the right to start looking at other sins such as homosexuality. I rarely...

Okay then. There are multiple Christians - many that I personally know, and the ones who give you guys a bad name in the media - that harbor hate towards people, commit sins, yet care about something like gay marriage that's not affecting them.

Well, since you've already stated that's it's illogical to vote against gay marriage, I guess I really have nothing else to say except that it's people who believe that they have the right (one that affect 5-10% of people) to stop other people's rights (ones that have no affect on anyone but themselves) are rude.

@EstoniaObsessed Okay then. There are multiple Christians - many that I personally know, and the ones who give you guys a bad name...

It's not to be rude, it's just because we feel obligated to. And yes I don't like those Christians

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@thatguys Marriage isn't too big of a legal thing. Do they HAVE to get married in order to live together? Hell, they can own...

..nope, no can do. ESPECIALLY if the one who taught me the sky is blue is my believed to be creator and can save me from eternal damnation.

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Woah, didn't mean to write out a huge rant there.

But, I strongly believe that people who oppose homosexual right should not be allowed to hide behind the Bible any more than someone who opposes any other type of civil rights should be allowed to hide behind it.

And I know I did make some far-reached comparisons, such comparing homosexuals to coloured people and religious, but that's because saying something bigoted and then blaming it on your religion should be thought of the same if someone is flaming homosexuasl, or people of a certain race, or religion - you do have the right to dislike anyone you want, but don't use religion as an excuse, and don't hide behind "religious freedom" when people call you up for being a bigot.

@Simon Woah, didn't mean to write out a huge rant there. But, I strongly believe that people who oppose homosexual right...

Im not using anything as my excuse. Im just saying that if a person says one thing against gay marriage a whole army comes alive againsy it. Im not hiding behind anything, and im not afraid of the results. Im an outspoken person as it is so im prepared for peoples views on that. Im just saying its ridiculous that a simple manger scene in a store causes such a huge problem while a parade celebrating gay rights with women running around topless is encouraged. It baffles me.

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@tea_ Im not using anything as my excuse. Im just saying that if a person says one thing against gay marriage a whole...

The people who get outraged over things such as Manger Scenes, and Driedels and such are also in the wrong, however that has little to do with what I was talking about.

And, not all pride parades have naked people - the main reason for the pride parades is the fact that people still think homosexuality is something to be ashamed about.

Good that you don't hide behind religion - that it seems odd that you would bring up gay marriage and religion in the same post.

And, as I previously said, homosexual rights should not be a political or religious issue. And I believe it's a positive thing if the "whole army comes alive" - as they should for any type of bigotry or denial of civil rights.

@tea_ Im not using anything as my excuse. Im just saying that if a person says one thing against gay marriage a whole...

If you wished to make a post about the manger scene incident you were involved with, then make it about that. However, denying homosexuals rights such as marrying their partner, legal rights in regards to assests and children should be on the same level as refusing Christians (or any other religion) to worship in a way that doesn't harm others - such as celebrating the birth of Jesus.

And, yes, people do have the "right" to oppose both homosexual rights and religious rights - but they should be prepared for the backlash.

You don't have the right to use religion in law making as America is a secular country and your beliefs shouldn't be able to infringe on the rights of other people. Although you are allowed the opinion that gay marriage is wrong, but you will have to accept the consequences when other people disagree with you. Just like people who think any other group of people (that aren't hurting anyone else or doing something illegal) should have less rights (eg, people who aren't white, women, poor people etc) of course people are going to stand up for those groups of people and tell you they should have the same rights, just like with gay people and their right to get married.

@SpearmintMilk You don't have the right to use religion in law making as America is a secular country and your beliefs shouldn't...

If one is actually one of those Christians that aren't up in your face, and hell, don't even vote, then why should there be "consequences" for a belief?

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@thatguysbro If one is actually one of those Christians that aren't up in your face, and hell, don't even vote, then why should...

The post was about when people say openly that they do not support gay marriage and oppose it. Every belief has a consequence if you express it, not necessarily good or bad. In this case if you are openly expressing that you do not support gay marriage for religious reasons in a secular country then quite a lot of the time other people are going to have a negative reaction towards you. It's still your right to say it, just as it is someone else's right to react to it (yes that does go the other way too). No one is trying to legally take away Christian's right to free speech are they?

@SpearmintMilk The post was about when people say openly that they do not support gay marriage and oppose it. Every belief has a...

um actually...yes they are. You can't legally say "Merry Christmas" without being convicted of religious perference. That's the Christians, btw...

And it is actually a one way street. Gays believe there should be no consequence for protests, beliefs, etc. Just freedom of expression, right?

And here you are telling me I should have consequences for my beliefs that are open.

Even I'm with the gays on that one, beliefs, even wide open ones, so long as no action is taken, should have zero consequences or actions against them.

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@thatguysbro um actually...yes they are. You can't legally say "Merry Christmas" without being convicted of religious...

Can you please show me a case where someone was convicted for saying "Merry Christmas"? I've looked and can't find anything. Pretty sure that people don't say it in case they offend some overly sensitive person. But it's not actually illegal. If you can show me it is then ok.
Ok take the WBC they protest and hold up signs that say things like "God hates fags", Gay people have to accept that they are allowed to do that.
I'm saying EVERYONE has social consequences for their beliefs that are open. If I openly go to the church down the road and say something like "you guys are so stupid for waiting until marriage to have sex" they are probably going to give me a negative reaction right?

@SpearmintMilk Can you please show me a case where someone was convicted for saying "Merry Christmas"? I've looked and can't find...

Um... no you aren't. If you are, you're around the wrong type of Christians.

And yes, they do have to accept the "God hates fags", but most people don't. They are criticized for their beliefs, call them stupid, are looked down upon, etc. Pro-gay protesting is the oppisite, and everyone looks down on you if you criticize them.

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@thatguysbro Um... no you aren't. If you are, you're around the wrong type of Christians. And yes, they do have to accept the...

Well there are lots of Christians like that...
Honestly, if you want to stop someone having rights in a secular country for religious reasons then maybe there is a reason why those people are criticised.

@SpearmintMilk Well there are lots of Christians like that... Honestly, if you want to stop someone having rights in a secular...

There's also a lot of Muslims who actually believe that they should kill nonbelievers. I don't see anyone calling them irrational? Instead they just talk up the good Muslims saying "Not all Muslims are like that, they're actually peaceful!" Why can't you say that for Christians?

And there are contries out there whose religion actually kills others for having certain religious beliefs. I don't see anyone criticizing them? Just because they are in a diferent country makes them a different standard? Do they not count when criticizing a mixture of religion and politics? The list goes on of the double standards your making. If you're going to criticize the Christians for doing it, please try and make note of everyone else in teh world who does the same.

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@thatguysbro There's also a lot of Muslims who actually believe that they should kill nonbelievers. I don't see anyone calling...

There actually aren't "a lot of Muslims who actually believe that they should kill nonbelievers." Those are what we call radicals, a small minority of the Muslim population. I could say the same about Christians, except you guys have a longer track record of it. I think it's funny that most just gloss over the Crusades and talk as if Christians are fucking perfect. And the WBC? If you think most Muslims are the same as their radical counterparts, I guess everyone can also say that most Christians are as radical as the WBC.
And get your shit straight. The United States of America is not a religious country. Religious countries do stuff according to their religion. The USA is NOT a religious country, so we DON'T do stuff according to any religion. It's not because they are a different country, it's because they are religious and we are not.

@thatguysbro There's also a lot of Muslims who actually believe that they should kill nonbelievers. I don't see anyone calling...

I can say that for Christians. Not all of them are like that... I'm talking about the ones that are. And I hear people call Muslims who want to kill people more than just irrational, they are batshit fucking insane, but not all Muslims are like that. But the post isn't about them is it?

I also hear people criticising the countries that are run by religion, especially the ones that kill their own people/ any other people for different beliefs. I personally think there are some fucked up human rights violations by those countries that is disgusting.

So no I do not have a double standard, I don't see why I would start talking about them when we were on one topic. And just because I didn't bring it up doesn't mean that I agree with those practices. I don't think religion should have anything to do with running a country. America is supposed to be one of the countries with separation of church and state.

I find it extremely sad that us humans, as a whole, are so ignorant that gay marriage hasn't already been legalized, especially in America. We have no right to be called "the land of the free" if some people aren't even free to marry the person they love.

Oh, do kindly fuck off.
I will show you some respect when you don't deny people BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS.

@thecatcherintherye Oh, do kindly fuck off. I will show you some respect when you don't deny people BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS.

Disagreeing with homosexuality and "denying basic human rights," are different things. Yes, both may apply to some people. But I, as a Christian who doesn't agree with homosexuality as a practice, cannot deny the fact that two people of the same gender can constitutionally get married.
I'm not voting for it, I'm not voting against it.
Neither is the OP, I bet.
Please keep your tone respectful if you want your opinion to be taken seriously.
Thank you.

fuustoleits avatar fuustoleit Yeah You Are +5Reply
@thatguysbro marriage is a basic human right?

@1154382 (thatguysbro): Yes, it falls under the category of the pursuit of happiness.

You have the right to your beliefs, and in a Christian sense, that means homosexuality is wrong. You have the right to be vocal about your beliefs, BUT, you do not have the right to try and control other peoples lives, or to deny them the rights given to other people in the same country

Gay people have the right to get pissed off at people who don't support gay marriage. You have the right to think gay marriage is wrong.I have the right to think that your opinion is stupid; you have the right to think that my opinion is stupid. No one is trying to deny freedom of speech here, as far as I can tell. And yes, it's a bit rude for someone to call you a name for your opinion on this, but don't you kind of understand where that anger is coming from?

It is supposed to be a free country, but freedom must obviously have limitations e.g. you are not free to go on a killing rampage. One of these limitations is generally agreed to be that you are not free to unreasonably limit the freedom of others. While professing the belief that homosexuality is wrong does not limit other's freedom per se, many argue that supporting the banning of homosexual marriage does.

The tricky part is the distinction between believing that gay marriage is 'bad' (which you are free to do) and trying to legally ban gay marriage (which many argue you should not be free to do).

@LewisL It is supposed to be a free country, but freedom must obviously have limitations e.g. you are not free to go on a...

Well yeah, killing rampages affect the lives of other people and it hurts them. I don't exactly see how gay marriage being legal would negatively affect anyone.

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@LewisL From your tone it sounds like you're disagreeing with me, but you're not.

Oh no I'm not. It was more of a side conversation. I've just heard that argument other places where people actually say gay marriage negatively affects others and I never really got how that worked.

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Hmm, Lets see... Mexicans and other immigrants are being deported backed to their countries even if in refugee status... and Christians, most of which are the current leaders, are getting the shitty end of the stick.

Seems legit.

@Legal or illegal immigrants?

Mainly illegal, but sometimes legal.

@MasonLN Mainly illegal, but sometimes legal.

Well if it's illegal, then that makes sense because they should be citizens if they want to live here, but if it's legal then that's just stupid.

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@MasonLN Hmm, Lets see... Mexicans and other immigrants are being deported backed to their countries even if in refugee...

Since the plurality of people are christian; it only makes sense that they are oppressed more often than people of other faiths.

Because that's the whole argument. "Opposing gay marriage is wrong" (the same for both sides actually)

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@1154294

No, OP was saying that everyone has the freedom to their opinions.

So when a Christian says she's against gay marriage, every else has to shut up about it.

Funny, ain't it?

Btw, if it's okay for some to say gays shouldn't be able to marry their partners, and that they, in a way, deserve that judgement against them, then why can't others call those who oppose them, fucktards?

Oh wait, I forgot, freedom of opinion to some. And by some, I mean those who agree with your views.

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@1491877

Excuse? I don't ever remember saying that you weren't for gay marriage. I do, however, remember saying that the OP did.

Anonymous -1Reply
@No, OP was saying that everyone has the freedom to their opinions. So when a Christian says she's against gay...

I'm not understanding what you're getting at with the last statement. My post is saying if people have the right to support it, others also have the right to disagree with it; which means everyone has the right to believe what they want. But I can see you're just reading everything as blah blah blah once you saw that I don't believe in the same things as you, or just saw the word Christian. Most people on this site go on a rage when they see someone loving their Christian faith.

tea_s avatar tea_ Yeah You Are 0Reply

I'm a Christian and I support gay marriage. Let's not generalize too much here.

Anonymous +3Reply
@I'm a Christian and I support gay marriage. Let's not generalize too much here.

Exactly. There are plenty gay people in my church both in the congregation and the clergy.

On another note, your name interested me, I looked at your profile. My partner is from Russia, not sure what part, he's told me before, but I can't remember. Is Serbia very similar, in modern culture, because he always mentioned things like "You do not tell a Serb you are unemployed, he was berate you for it, they have a very proud work effort" and such.

you have the right to say its wrong just like some christians have the right to get all in your face trying to convert you and just like how they have the right to get married.

I'm a Christian with a black best friend, about eight bi/gay friends, and support gay marriage. TAKE THAT, STEREOTYPE.

Wikits avatar Wikit Yeah You Are -1Reply

The definition of marriage is the legal union of a man and women. I'm not for or against "gay marriage" I just think they should call it something else. You don't call a sweet sixteen a quinceanera, do you?

jNycoleus avatar jNycoleu Yeah You Are -2Reply
@jNycoleu The definition of marriage is the legal union of a man and women. I'm not for or against "gay marriage" I just...

A sweet sixteen and a quiceanera are completely different customs that are celebrated at different times in one life in different cultures.
Society changes and the definitions of social constructs change overtime as well. There is no universally accepted definition of marriage. Marriage differs from culture to culture and changes over time. A hundred years ago a forty year old could marry his thirteen year old first cousin. Today, that marriage would not be recognized in any state.

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