A lot of villains picture themselves as villains, though, ranging from every Disney movie ever to Richard the Third.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Who even wants to be a hero?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Superman?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Nice way to think. Looks like there's a new panda in town.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I actually brought that question up in a gifted class: what makes a hero? Because one person's hero is another's villain. I know I'm a loser for making this connection, but in Naruto, Pain's attack on the Leaf Village and his discussion with Naruto kinda brings up this philosophy. "You have your justice, and I have mine."

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Well first off, I would like to point out Pain is insane... killing the whole village because of asshole Danzo isn't exactly justice, it's more bordering insanity and super insanity. Also to answer the op; if you rape for fun, you're probably a villain; if you commit mass genocide for fun, you're probably a villain; if you rob people for fun, then you're probably a villain! So since a villain is easier to define, I defined that first. So now that we know what a villain is, let's define a hero. A guy who tries to stop all of that... one with morals (good morals). This doesn't necessarily apply to war between two countries though.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

This DOES apply to the war! Pain attacks the Leaf because of what happened during the war and how the Village of the Rain suffered many losses because of the leaf. Nagato has been plotting this for a while and now decides to get his revenge. Plus, mass genocide and war are two different things. It's hard to differentiate the two. But defining the dominating side in war as committing genocide isn't right.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Yes, but Danzo was behind the whole thing, freaking Pervy Sage helped train Pain and he's from the Hidden Leaf village... and he's being a total asshole by freaking betraying him, killing him, then destroying the village. What Pain did was mass genocide, it wasn't a war... what happened to Pain (Nagato, when he was still a kid) was war and all's fair in love and war. I mean if Hidden Rain couldn't defend themselves, that's kinda their fault, but that's beside the point, because Nagato knew that Danzo was the douchehole of the village, but still he chose to punish the whole village? How does that make any sense.... I know they're two different things. I didn't say that the dominating side of war is committing genocide, what Pain did was genocide. Because the Hidden Leaf wasn't at war with Pain, he just came out of no where and started killing the people.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Pain just had a lust for blood and he justified it by calling it "justice." I'm pretty sure Hitler had a reasonable term for the Holocaust too

by Anonymous 14 years ago

You say it was kinda the Rain's fault for losing to the Leaf. Is it? Is it Jewish people's fault for not defending themselves against Hitler? Is everything really fair in war? Pain also didn't come out of nowhere. It only seemed like he did. It was his need for revenge that fueled his hiding and plotting. And wait. Am I really arguing about Naruto over the Internet? I quit...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Umm, okay first question. Yes. Two nations at war is reasonable. Jewish isn't a country. Not really, it's just a saying, BUT a lot of things that normally wouldn't be fair are. Uhh, you said he didn't come out of nowhere and then you said he was hiding and plotting. The only reason we know that is because we're the audience... the village had no idea about this. In life, when you're about to have war, you kinda have to declare it? Even Hitler declared war on U.S. And we're kinda arguing about more than Naruto, but if you wanna be snarky about it and quit, then that's your prerogative.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Well you said something about it being the Rain's fault for not defending themselves, but they had no power. I never said Jewish was a country. I said "Jewish people". Did they have power to defend themselves against the Nazi army?

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Yeah, but Hidden Rain and Hidden Leaf are both villages. So you can't compare that to Germany and Jews, because Germany didn't attack a country, he attacked a group of people. Had Jewish been a country, then it would have been okay, because he'd have to declare war on them and then do all that he did.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

So what you're saying is that since the Hidden Rain is a village, it's their fault they can't defend themselves? And if they're not a country and are a group of people, it's NOT their fault? So if America all declared war on Taiwan and slaughtered them, is it Taiwan's fault for not being able to defend themselves? Is this fair? Is "all fair in love and war"? I personally think that's a dumb loophole as an excuse to drastically take the upper hand when love or war is involved. And back to the original question: Couldn't someone's hero be another's villain? I'll use another example: Osama bin Laden. In America's eyes, he's a terrorist. In the eyes of the radical Muslims (not dissing Muslims here, just the radicals), bin Laden is a hero. That's why the Taliban is willing to hide him. Can a villain really be a villain to everyone? Everyone in the world has their own views and morals, so a villain to you may be doing what's right to him and vice versa.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Well yeah... if two countries go to war, then why in the world should a stronger country waste lives, time, and money on a country they can just bomb and get out. When it comes to war, everyone wants to win... Taiwan will do all it can to win, so the U.S. should do the same. If the U.S. can win with as little casualties and usage of resources as it possibly can, then that's definitely good... for the U.S. On the other hand, this is terrible for Taiwan. It's survival of the fittest, buddy. Umm that's a bad example... murder is wrong, in anyone's eyes. The means he uses to do "good", is terrible. If a radical Muslim says it's not, then they're lying. If you think mass murder of innocent people is right, then you do NOT have morals. So tell me, how can Osama bin Laden be such a hero, when all he has done is murder random people? The reason the Taliban is willing to hide him, is because of their hatred and disapproval of western societies lifestyle.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Murder isn't wrong to radicals. Seriously, look at history. It obviously doesn't seem wrong to them, even though it's terribly wrong to us.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

It does, that's why the people at the top never commit the acts, but instead send others to do their bidding. They obviously value their own life, they just don't value the puppets they use. Osama bin Laden has been around for a long time, but if he actually believed in what he did, he would have gone and suicide bombed too. I mean there are plenty of others to fill his shoes, why shouldn't he? Because he knows what he's doing and he's enjoying it. He's not doing it for the people, there is no greater cause, it's just pure hatred that drives him. I come from a country almost evenly divided between Christians, Jews, and Muslims; I know a lot about each religion, not from what I read on textbooks (which I do), but also from first hand talking to them....

by Anonymous 14 years ago

They protect him, because he upholds their ideals. You can be a hero for that, but they have a completely different (and wrong) definition of a hero. Because even other Muslims do not condone that kinda behaviour.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I agree that their definition of a hero isn't exactly the best definition, but doesn't give the right for people to become close-minded or judge people on your own morals. Seeing culture in their own terms rather than your own helps more acceptance into the world and can prevent war and violence. Of course, that's not the case here, since lives are lost. My point is that some heroes are others' villains. That's my point. That's my only point. It's the point I've been trying to defend in the first place. It's the point that the OP made that you disagreed with. And I'm only defending the OP's point. Now, I'll be doing my pre-calc homework. Don't bother me, because I don't want my parents to yell at me for procrastinating on amirite again. Gee, I hope the OP doesn't get annoyed with all these comments...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Well I do agree with what you said... but only to a certain extent. Like they have a soviet Russian version of Superman that goes around killing Capitalists.... Pre-calc ooh... you're a sophomore in high school? I took up to calc 2 and I gotta say it ain't fun stuff. Don't worry about the op, you just worry about yourself!

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Okay, I can settle with your half-agreement with this post. I'm a freshman, but I guess it doesn't matter... I think I'll enjoy calc 2 anyway, since I like math. And I don't get annoyed by comments, so I have space to worry about the OP. In fact, I had a conversation with someone on another guy's Facebook status. Result? 140 comments.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

I didn't know it was possible to take pre-calc freshman year... the only options we had when I was a freshy was algebra I, geometry, and algebra II. I didn't really enjoy calc 2 and I'm really a math person, I'm a computer science major in college minoring in math Well I think it's more annoying on facebook....

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Well, I did some work over this past summer, so...

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Lol I never watched Naruto so I didn't get the first half of the conversation, but no, the comments don't bother me.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

by Anonymous 14 years ago

This is true for a lot of things. Like, when you're arguing with someone, no matter how impartial you try to be, you still consider your side right, and theirs wrong - very rarely do people do a complete 360 on point of view. Like, rather than debate to gain new knowledge and use it to reconsider views, people debate to win.

by Anonymous 14 years ago

Well I'm pretty sure Evil Emperor Zurg knew he was a villian. Just saying.

by Anonymous 14 years ago