If you can force a woman to look at a sonogram to show her what happens if she has an abortion, you also have to let her see a crying baby, a bratty 5 year old, and a ruly teenager to show what happens if she doesn't. amirite?

Inb4 controversial debate about whether or not abortion should be legal.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Triplets?! With years between them??!!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

As someone who is pro-choice, I disagree with attempting to manipulate a woman's choice with biased information when she is in an overly-emotional point in her life. And, BTW, I disagree with a woman being forced to have an abortion against her will just as much as I disagree with a woman being forced to continue a pregnancy against her will - they're the same concept.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

unruly teenager* And that doesn't make sense, though. Children will act the way you raise them to act - don't show her a bratty kid and say, "Your child will end up like this." Her child could be an angel. Moreover, it seems unfair to murder a kid just because they might grow up to become difficult. The only reasons someone should have an abortion is if they were raped or it will harm the mother in any way.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Giving birth to a child when you are not ready is harmful, so allowing abortions only when they harm the woman is basically allowing all abortions.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

i think they meant physical health wise.... maybe harmful to the chids living situation but its called adoption

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, I meant in medical terms, if the actual act of giving birth itself is not going to risk the mother's health any more than normal.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

But it could cause serious psychological harm especially if the mother's still a child.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah but if the mother is still a child, why is she having sex?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How is that relevant to this discussion?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

...it's obviously relevant. Pregnancy is a consequence of sex. Don't do it unless you're willing to face the consequences. Unless you were raped, in which case you had no choice in the matter, abortion shouldn't be a 'just in case' option.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What? Why should women who had consensual sex be forbidden from getting abortions? Are you trying to punish women for having sex by forcing them to give birth to children? That's not fair to anybody. Should women who choose to sex have less rights than women who didn't chose to have sex? You can't just force someone to have a baby to teach them a lesson about "facing the consequences".

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You can't say that children in Geneal act the way their parents raise them to. There are many kids out there born with certain personality traits.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Children misbehave no matter how you raise them. Even if you are the best parent in the world, raising a child is a challenge. Parenting is never easy not matter how good you are. No child is an angel.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have had the kid altogether. Parenting isn't easy, but it's better than just getting rid of a future life because its inconvenient.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Dying while giving birth to the child of your rapist is hardly what I call "inconvenient".

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm pro-choice, but I agree that what the child might turn out to be like (bratty or angelic) shouldn't be a factor if the woman is considering abortion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

a baby only cries until you help it, a toddler is only bratty if you raise it that way, and teenagers aren't all unruly* stop trying to make LIFE seem like torture, especially when the mother chose to have sex in the first place. (and don't bring up the whole rape thing, because that only accounts for less than 7% of abortion)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Only 7%? Is 7% not high enough? How many women need to be forced to give birth to their rapist's child for you to actually start caring? Where did this 7% statistic come from anyway?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

it's actually only ONE percent last time I checked. So seriously, stop bringing that argument up first place in an argument.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh only 1%? Well seriously who cares about a measly one percent? It's not like the lives of that 1% of people are important or anything.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I never said that. My point is that people should primarily focus on the other 99 percent who CHOSE to have sex, knowing there was a chance they could get pregnant, instead of jumping on the other 1 percent that's very small in comparison. It's almost like if we went around saying that we should make the world centered only around people in wheelchairs. Sure, there's a lot of people in wheelchairs out there, but we need to focus primarily on the other chunk of the world first.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okay fine. Ignore the problem because it isn't big enough.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, focus on the more paramount concern.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(you know.): The paramount concern is the threat of the government controlling the bodies, lives, and futures of women by forcing them to give birth against their will. Why don't you focus on the paramount concern instead of focusing on the health of a nine-celled organism?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Killing your child because it is a result of rape is a stupid reason, sorry to all you people who have been raped. It wasnt the childs fault. Have it and put it up for adoption. Murder is just as bad as rape, if not worse.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, that's not the same thing. A person who has had sex is making a conscious choice that they are aware of what they're doing and aware of the consequences. If someone is raped, you're taking that away from them. A fourteen-year-old girl who got raped and is pregnant is not the same as a sixteen-year-old girl who forgot to wear a condom. And religiously, abortion is pardonable in cases of rape.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Still. She can have the baby and give it up. No good excuse for killing a baby.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

One: it's not a baby, it's an embryo. Two: are you honestly and truly suggesting that a girl, one who has already gone through one of the worst things a human being can go through, be subjected to further pain? For those nine months of pregnancy, she would not be able to escape what happened to her for more than a few seconds. That's torture.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Abortion us not pardonable in religion because of rape. The only pardonable abortion is if the mother will die because of the pregnancy.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, it is in Islam. That's a religion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There is thing called "forgiveness" it's kind of a nice idea. If you believe in forgiveness you believe that all things can be pardonable and all people deserve rights like the right to control their body.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It wasn't the woman's fault she was raped. The woman is the victim and you shouldn't force her to give birth against her will because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Im not saying it was her fault, im just saying she should give it up. Its not the babies fault either.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If it's not her "fault" isn't it cruel to force her to go through childbirth and almost a year of pregnancy, especially if she is not emotionally or physically ready for it? That could seriously harm her, particularly if she is already traumatized from being raped.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

and an abortion isn't as traumatizing?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(you know.): There is no credible evidence to suggest that abortion is any more traumatizing than childbirth.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I sort of understand what you are saying. I think it's really hypocritical when people claim abortion is murder but murder is okay when the woman wasn't a slut.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Adoption, people!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

and hence 9 months of carrying the baby to full term, morning sickness, a good amount of that time unable to work and thus support oneself, excruciating pain of childbirth itself and then after all that hand it over like it never existed???? abortion may not be ideal but it certainly is the best option to woman who for various reasons dont want/ not ready for a child. i dont think it matters what those reasons are to be honest. A mother should always want to have a child before she has one (off topic) In short: dont just throw adoption out there like you are the only one who has thought of it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Amen. You shouldn't force people to have to go through that much pain.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Obviously nobody on this page has ever had an abortion, or even known someone who has gone through that. Not only is it an extremely physically demanding process, but the emotional trauma caused is simply too much for most women, including my aunt, who killed herself due to PPD and PTSD she was dealing with. There's no doubt that there shouldn't have been a conception, but putting that pressure on a fragile young woman is a terrible thing to do.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(you know.): I'm sorry for your loss. I feel really sorry for women who are in that sort of position. Abortion is no doubt a scary and disturbing process. Childbirth is also painful and traumatized especially for people who aren't ready for it. We need to let women chose for themselves the best possible course of action. After all, no government knows the woman well enough to determine what is right for her. Lets not pressure poor women like your aunt into doing things they really don't want to do. Let keep abortion legal and keep women free and happy.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

(you know.): I do actually know several women who have had abortions, and all of them were ok. 80% of women do not regret their abortions at all. Read this study it's pretty interesting http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2008/08/single-abortion.aspx

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I wouldn't say that it is "certainly the best option". It is AN option, and it should remain a legal one, but in many cases it is NOT the best option.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If a mother should always want a child before she has one, why is she having sex? If people had any self control we wouldn't even have this problem

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Who cares about the woman's sex life? I bet lots of women who get abortions are irresponsible but you can't just take someone's rights away because you think they're a slut. Even if you disapprove of the woman's actions, she is still a human being and deserves the right to control her body, future, and welfare. No matter how evil/slutty/mean/bitchy/irresponsible/twisted/racist/murderous/psychopathic the woman is, her body is her's alone, not the property of the government.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Why are you like stalking this page? You're not going to change anyone's mind, you're just making people think you're stupid. Maybe you should find something else to do.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm not "stalking" this page I just reply whenever I get a notification. I don't see why I can't change anyone's mind. People's opinions change all the time. I used to be pro-life until I read more about it and decided abortion needed to be legal. I really like to write and debate about things so if you're bored with this page, I suggest you find something else to do.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Hell yeah, fuck kids. Make an account here so I can add you and post on your page about your awesome post.

by Anonymous 13 years ago