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Religion does not ruin people. People ruin religion, amirite?

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Guns don't kill people. Nuh uh. I kill people, with guns.

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I think it works both ways.

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I swear to god I'm an atheist.

An all loving being would not send another sentient being to an eternity of torture for a simple belief about reality. It's completely contradictiory if said being would. It's like talking about how great, just and fair-minded a judge is, with the knowledge that this judge has issued someone the death penalty for driving without a license. Totally. contradictiory.

Religion doesn't make the man, man makes the religion.

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well, it's a way to pass the time.

fuustoleits avatar fuustoleit Yeah You Are -1Reply

Yeah, a religion that says one shall suffer for all of eternity if they do not believe in its deity is totally just, and it doesn't ruin people at all

@Unicorns Yeah, a religion that says one shall suffer for all of eternity if they do not believe in its deity is totally...

If you're talking about Christianity, believing in God is NOT the only thing you need to do to go to heaven. You need to treat others well. Yes there are people who call themselves Christians who are terrible people, but the main idea of Christianity is to love God and love people. I don't see how that's a bad thing. People loving each other makes the world a better place.

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@fuustoleit If you're talking about Christianity, believing in God is NOT the only thing you need to do to go to heaven. You...

jesus says explicitly in the Bible: "If you deny me, then I will deny you in front of my father". That's a bit of a paraphrase, but basically word for word what he said. so you're saying jesus is wrong?

@fuustoleit If you're talking about Christianity, believing in God is NOT the only thing you need to do to go to heaven. You...

or what about where it says that all the faithless are evil and/or worship satan? I'm faithless. But I assure you I am not evil, nor do I worship satan (which is impossible since i don't believe in him either)

@Unicorns or what about where it says that all the faithless are evil and/or worship satan? I'm faithless. But I assure you I...

Okay, you don't know what you're talking about. It never said that people who have no faith worship Satan.
Don't bash on a religion that you don't know enough about.

fuustoleits avatar fuustoleit Yeah You Are +1Reply
@fuustoleit Okay, you don't know what you're talking about. It never said that people who have no faith worship Satan. Don't...

No you're right. The bible does not say that. I've (unfortunately) met extremist christians who have said this. And yes, it isn't true, so sorry for that :)
But, here's this.
Revelation 21:8 - But as for the cowardly, THE FAITHLESS, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
And to your question "How am I saying that?" No no no, I was asking you if you WERE saying he was wrong, not stating it.

@Unicorns No you're right. The bible does not say that. I've (unfortunately) met extremist christians who have said this. And...

Well, then in that case, I'm on that list too, cause I've lied, and I've been sexually immoral, and at times, I've been faithless. But that doesn't mean that I'm automatically going to hell, cause I have my whole life ahead of me to change myself. And no one can tell anyone else that they're gonna go to hell, cause they're not God and they're not the one who make the decision. As scary as the Bible sometimes makes God sound, it also says he's a loving God, which means he'll find every excuse to save you, instead of every excuse to damn you.Judging Christianity by the way extremist Christians behave is like saying all Muslims are terrorists. Both make up a very small and very misguided percentage of their respective religions.

fuustoleits avatar fuustoleit Yeah You Are +1Reply
@fuustoleit Well, then in that case, I'm on that list too, cause I've lied, and I've been sexually immoral, and at times, I've...

That last sentance stood out to me. I don't judge christianity by extremists... I never have, so i'm not sure where you're coming from there.
Now here's the problem: I do not believe in the christian god and, I never will. There is nothing about this statement that is even remotely malicious or evil in anyway. Yet, it is blatantly clear in the very last book of the bible that the faithless are doomed to an eternity of suffering. How can this possibly be fair judgement? If you say are going to say that god would not actually do this, then why would he allow the people writing the bible to represent him so poorly? Wouldn't an all perfect and all powerful creator have intervened (like many times before) to prevent these misinterpretations of him?

@Unicorns That last sentance stood out to me. I don't judge christianity by extremists... I never have, so i'm not sure where...

Dude, I'm not God, nor am I a theology major, so I can't really go and properly justify God's decisions for you.
But say for a second, that you are God. Meaning, the Christian God, creator of heaven and earth, and everything in it. Say you gave life and a home and a shelter and a lot of other things to people, and they refuse to believe that you did any of it their entire lives, and judge people who do (not saying you're like that.) Like, you'd be a bit pissed, right? And you gave people so many good things in their life (bad things happened too, you can't have a perfect life) and all they had to do in return was love you and follow a few simple rules which mostly consist of being kind to others. And when they don't, and feel like everything was completely their own doing, and completely ignore you, in spite of everything you did for them, you'd be a little miffed. But there's always a chance to turn back and be forgiven.

fuustoleits avatar fuustoleit Yeah You Are +2Reply
@fuustoleit Dude, I'm not God, nor am I a theology major, so I can't really go and properly justify God's decisions for...

My last question was rhetorical. A truly all powerful, perfect, and omnibenevolent being would NOT stand for that kind of injustice. And it is for that reason I think Revelations 21:8 is unequivocally contradictory to the notion that this is an ALL LOVING god.
Now, to what you said. There's a lot of things to be said about it, and it'd be much better if we were debating via skype video or something, but I'll try my best. But anyway, heres my answer.
Um... no. Don't forget, the christian god is attributed to be perfect and omnipotent, or have an unfailing will. It took ZERO effort for god to make the universe, so that's one reason I wouldnt care in the slightest. Look, 33% of the world are Christians. It's barely evident that this god exists. So, no, absolutely not, if I were the Christian god (as you said i'd be in this hypthetical situation), I would not even be remotely mad. You're missing the point i'm trying to get across. continued in next post :o

@Unicorns My last question was rhetorical. A truly all powerful, perfect, and omnibenevolent being would NOT stand for that...

Also, how can you say it took God no effort to create the universe? It never says that anywhere. I'm sure he thought about exactly what he was gonna do. I mean, the universe makes so much sense, if someone created it, it wouldn't be effortless. If it had been effortless, he wouldn't love us. You're proudest of the work that you put effort into, right?
That could be your personal opinion though, but I think God put a great deal of thought into Creation. That's why it's called Creation, he created it, he didn't just snap his fingers.

fuustoleits avatar fuustoleit Yeah You Are +2Reply
@fuustoleit Also, how can you say it took God no effort to create the universe? It never says that anywhere. I'm sure he...

The christian god is omnipotent. Infinite power. Anything he does is effortless.
Ex: A very strong, powerful, man tries to lift a penny. He does so effortlessly. Now he tries to lift a heavy rock. He manages to lift it, but he had to exert a large force, and therefore he had to use effort in order to do so. Since god has INFINITE power, anything FINITE (which is everything in the universe and the universe itself) he could do without fail. "Effort" also suggests imperfection (and not omnipotence, IMPOTENCE, in fact), and since he has infinite power, "effort" becomes obsolete.

@Unicorns The christian god is omnipotent. Infinite power. Anything he does is effortless. Ex: A very strong, powerful, man...

I don't think God's power is really a concept the human mind can grasp. I'm not saying you're wrong, not at all, but I don't think God's power can be measured by those terms.

fuustoleits avatar fuustoleit Yeah You Are 0Reply
@fuustoleit I don't think God's power is really a concept the human mind can grasp. I'm not saying you're wrong, not at all...

You're right. It's immeasurable. Infinite. That's what omnipotent means. Immeasurable = infinite (power)

@Unicorns You're right. It's immeasurable. Infinite. That's what omnipotent means. Immeasurable = infinite (power)

I'm very tempted to jump in this discussion since I'm going to major in theology soon. But, I have no time now. T_T I shall jump in at a later time.

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@Unicorns My last question was rhetorical. A truly all powerful, perfect, and omnibenevolent being would NOT stand for that...

Honestly, I don't want to have a debate. I want to believe what I want to believe, and you can believe or not believe whatever you want, I won't judge you. All I'm trying to do is answer your questions, not start an argument. The point of my post is that religion doesn't make people bad people, most religions teach people to be good people, and there's nothing wrong with that. Some people just forget what their religion teaches them, or misinterpret it.
And I still think Christianity is a just religion, you can think what you want. If you don't think God exists, or ever will, why would you worry about you or anyone else getting sent to hell?

fuustoleits avatar fuustoleit Yeah You Are -1Reply
@fuustoleit Honestly, I don't want to have a debate. I want to believe what I want to believe, and you can believe or not...

Why not? This was an interesting conversation. :) Anyway.
"If you don't think God exists, or ever will, why would you worry about you or anyone else getting sent to hell?"
I don't. I'm stating it's a contradictiory concept. That's. it. I've never even for a moment worried about such a thing. Why would you assume this? D:

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