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The grading system in physical education should be based on effort, not athletic ability, amirite?

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It's pathetic when they make you run miles and they're fat as hell and obviously couldn't manage half of what you're doing.

Anonymous +47Reply

That's how they grade it in my school...

One year, I got a B in gym, while getting As in everything else, because I can't fucking run and did badly on the mile.
Fucking bullshit.

Ram27s avatar Ram27 Yeah You Are +33Reply
@Ram27 One year, I got a B in gym, while getting As in everything else, because I can't fucking run and did badly on the...

That's exactly what happened to me a few years back. Like 10 percent of our grade was participation (as in actually showing up and dressing out) and about 40 percent was performance, and he was such a harsh grader.

LittleReds avatar LittleRed Yeah You Are +8Reply

Part of our grade was based on the Pacer test, so I only got a B.
And speaking of the Pacer, what kind of cruel shit is that? You run, and then you run faster, and then you run FASTER, and then you run EVEN FUCKING FASTER, and then you collapse on the floor with tears streaming down your face gasping for breath while the teacher makes unpleasant comments.

FlyingGuineaPigs avatar FlyingGuineaPig Yeah You Are +27Reply
@FlyingGuineaPig Part of our grade was based on the Pacer test, so I only got a B. And speaking of the Pacer, what kind of cruel...

Reminds me of the soccer tryouts at my school. You have to run a mile in 5 minutes (at most, if you can't do that, you can't even finish trying out), then a half mile in 3 minutes, then a quarter of a mile in a minute, then they have sprints. I say "they" because I never tried out for soccer.

AnnDeevas avatar AnnDeeva Yeah You Are +5Reply

couldn't f***ing agree more. Ignorant PE teachers...

Anonymous +25Reply

You shouldn't have to try in gym class. It's fucking gym.

Anonymous +18Reply

Especially for mandatory PE classes. If a student chooses to take it when it is not necessary, then I suppose grading on skill would be fine.

@CherryBlossom Especially for mandatory PE classes. If a student chooses to take it when it is not necessary, then I suppose...

When is gym not mandatory? In my school, you have to take gym all four years to graduate.

AnnDeevas avatar AnnDeeva Yeah You Are +10Reply
@AnnDeeva When is gym not mandatory? In my school, you have to take gym all four years to graduate.

We only had to take it one year any year in high school. In middle however, I had to take it every year.

@I have to take it until senior year.

That's really annoying, I mean it is beneficial for your health... but it's no bueno if it's dragging your grade down.

@I have to take it until senior year.

@1228176 (vicki_ana): @1228262 (Anonymous): At my school, we have to take it grades 9 and 10. Afterwards, it is just an elective.

at my school all you have to do is show up

Anonymous +14Reply

couldn't f***ing agree more. Ignorant PE teachers...

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@1228201

You mean sexiest? You were just attracted to his masculinity, no?

Anonymous +8Reply
@I had a gym teacher that was a child molester.

My 7th grade pe teacher, the guy was checking US OUT, except he never got in trouble for it... I don't think. But he definitely did check out the boys....

P.S. that's really creepy!

couldn't f***ing agree more. Ignorant PE teachers...

Anonymous +10Reply

Yeah. In order to get an A, you had to run 10 laps in 20 minutes (which is about 2.5 miles).
9 laps = B. 8 laps = C. And so on... :/ I hated it.

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@1228208

I would've died and failed.

Anonymous +14Reply

In my gym class, it's not that hard to get an A. All you have to do is bring your gym uniform everyday and actually wear it, and actually participate (you'd be surprised at how many people in my gym class don't participate in the activities. They just stand around looking stupid). It doesn't matter whether you're athletic or not, just whether you work.

couldn't f***ing agree more. Ignorant PE teachers...

Anonymous +9Reply

My PE grade was mainly participation, so I just had to show up to class.

In my school, we get graded on preparation, skill, knowledge, and effort.

AnnDeevas avatar AnnDeeva Yeah You Are +7Reply
@AnnDeeva In my school, we get graded on preparation, skill, knowledge, and effort.

Knowledge? "Does anyone know what this is?" Raises hand "Oooh ooh, I know, I know!" "What is it, little Timmy?" "That's a basketball!" "No... YOU FAIL, it was a bat!"

@KickAss Knowledge? "Does anyone know what this is?" Raises hand "Oooh ooh, I know, I know!" "What is it, little Timmy?"...

We once had to take a quiz in my gym class about the rules and general history of volleyball...it was weird.

Alyssas avatar Alyssa No Way +12Reply
@Alyssa We once had to take a quiz in my gym class about the rules and general history of volleyball...it was weird.

Yeah I think we had to do that too... as if anyone would be impressed when you're like, "Did you know volleyball was invented in 1895, by William Morgan?" Nobody is going to be like, "You don't say? Fascinating! Tell me more! Instead of actually playing volleyball, I want a lecture"

@KickAss Yeah I think we had to do that too... as if anyone would be impressed when you're like, "Did you know volleyball...

Our gym class test was: Put 3 sports we played, how many hits can you have in volleyball, ect. And if you missed something she just told you the answer and you fixed it. A+.

@KickAss Knowledge? "Does anyone know what this is?" Raises hand "Oooh ooh, I know, I know!" "What is it, little Timmy?"...

It's more like, if you know the rules of the sport, and if you're in fitness (we get to pick the gym class we want to be in, but they all have a fitness section), then you need to know what muscles you're working and stuff like that. Some gym teachers even give you written tests on it, but most just watch you playing the sport/ask you what muscle group you're working.

AnnDeevas avatar AnnDeeva Yeah You Are +1Reply
@AnnDeeva It's more like, if you know the rules of the sport, and if you're in fitness (we get to pick the gym class we want...

Wish I was a pe teacher... that is if the students were my age... I'd just be checking out the girls like, "Yeah girl, what muscle do you think you're working now?"

That's awesome though, I mean knowing what muscles you're working out when comes in really handy, when you like to work out by yourself. Well that and you won't sound like an idiot when you're at the doctor and s/he asks you which muscle is soar/hurt.

@KickAss Wish I was a pe teacher... that is if the students were my age... I'd just be checking out the girls like, "Yeah...

Hahaha, yea... Student teachers tend to do that a lot.

And it is, but even after three years of doing that, I seem to only remember muscle groups when I'm in class. And if you're in yoga, the teacher usually asks you again, the muscles you're working, and what the pose is for (breathing, stretching, strengthening, etc).

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@AnnDeeva Hahaha, yea... Student teachers tend to do that a lot. And it is, but even after three years of doing that, I seem...

That's kinda creepy (student teachers are usually seniors in college?)... I'd prolly do the same though. "Today's exercise, bending over."

Yoga's pretty tough... I tried to get into it, but it's hard. I mean I did kinda jump into the advanced section, because I was like, "I stretch... I stretch all the time. Yeah!" and I was goofing off to my friends with awkward poses. And the fact the only people there were girls and gay guys (including the instructor) did NOT help. They were all shaking their head at me with disapproval, I walked out not even half way through.

@KickAss That's kinda creepy (student teachers are usually seniors in college?)... I'd prolly do the same though. "Today's...

Hahaha, yea they're usually seniors in college.

And that's like me and my best friends whenever we're in yoga - we goof off all the time and all the other girls just look at us like we have 28 heads each, and the straight guys (who take it to meet girls) just don't seem to mind it... But the teacher doesn't mind because both my friends and me are pretty good at yoga, so it's alright, hahah.

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@AnnDeeva Hahaha, yea they're usually seniors in college. And that's like me and my best friends whenever we're in yoga - we...

I wouldn't take yoga to meet girls... I would wait outside a yoga class to meet girls and be like, "Wow, what a workout, right?" as they're coming out, whoever responds is gonna be like Diddy and coming home.

Well no duh they didn't mind, if I realized so many girls were into yoga when I was 14, I'd be a freaking snake by now.

couldn't f***ing agree more. Ignorant PE teachers...

Anonymous +5Reply

couldn't f***ing agree more. Ignorant PE teachers...

Anonymous +4Reply
@couldn't f***ing agree more. Ignorant PE teachers...

(Y.A.): Couldn't f***ing disagree more.

See, the way I think, it's a class. The goal is to help you improve in the subject they're teaching, and most PE classes don't do that because you DON'T have to try. If you get graded on "effort"which we know in our school system usually translates to "easy A"then most people won't improve. How about instead of running laps and playing low impact sports, we actually teach the students how to most effectively use their bodies, how to lose weight/gain muscle, and how to use gym equipment?

couldn't f***ing agree more. Ignorant PE teachers...

Anonymous +4Reply

couldn't f***ing agree more. Ignorant PE teachers...

Anonymous +3Reply
@couldn't f***ing agree more. Ignorant PE teachers...

(Y.A.): What's that? Speak up, son! I can't quite hear you!

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@1228121 (pandathebear): couldn't f***ing agree more. Ignorant PE teachers...

Anonymous +17Reply

fatties gonna fat.

It depends on the what's being graded. I don't think a mile that kids only have one chance to take should be graded. You don't give a kid a test without teaching them the material first and expect them to pass. So you can't tell a kid who's never ran a mile before to do it under 5 minutes and expect them to succeed. Now, if the gym teacher had the class running the mile for a few weeks and then tested them - yeah, I'd say grade it. Based on how much they improved from their worst to best score. If they put in effort they should have improved over time.

ilostmyshoes avatar ilostmyshoe Yeah You Are +3Reply

At my school, we have to show up, dress out. And when we get finished with a sport we have to take a test over it.

In every class you are graded on a combination between natural ability and effort/work. In most subjects this natural ability is intelligence and people don't seem to have an issue with it, so why is it such an issue here? Unfit/uncoordinated people will have a hard time getting an A in gym just as unintelligent will have a hard time getting an A in every other subject. These can be overcome to some degree by training/exercise or studying.

LewisLs avatar LewisL No Way +2Reply
@LewisL In every class you are graded on a combination between natural ability and effort/work. In most subjects this...

That is true, but there re advanced as well as lower level classes. Are there lower level gym classes? No, at least not in my school. I understand your point and I do think you are right about that. But at the same time, you don't have a stupid math teacher teaching you math. So why do we have fat PE teachers teaching us PE. and just because i'm uncoordinating, doesn't mean I'm not TRYING. I can't get a tutor in volleyball. There isn't extra credit for running. There's no advanced basket ball class and lower level classes. It's my fault if i choose to be dumb, for the most part. But some people are just really out of shape and one year of gym won't change that. Plus, I have asthma. Do they make kids with learning disabilies participate in normal classes and grade them on how well they do? No, so why should I fail gym because I physically cannot run 1.5 miles in 15 minutes. That doesn't seem fair. And also gym =/= normal classes so

loveyoualattexxs avatar loveyoualattexx Yeah You Are +2Reply
@loveyoualattexx That is true, but there re advanced as well as lower level classes. Are there lower level gym classes? No, at least...

I know a few people with learning disabilities, and while they get some help (e.g. a writer for exams) for the most part they do normal classes and get graded to the same standard as everyone else. I don't see the lack of graded classes or the existence of fat PE teachers as relevant. Maths teachers need to do the math in order to teach it to you, but PE teachers don't need to run a mile in order to tell you to.

I'm not saying that it should be 100% performance graded, or that the current system is a good one. I'm just saying that its pretty stupid to complain about get a lower grade than someone else because they are naturally gifted with fitness or coordination when that sort of thing happens in every other subject. I knew one kid who tried really hard at school and got mostly Cs with a few Bs, while many others got mostly As without trying. That's life, unfortunately.

@LewisL I know a few people with learning disabilities, and while they get some help (e.g. a writer for exams) for the most...

And I fo agree with your statement completely. Some people are gifted in math, writing, gym etc. and not other subjects. I just think the fact that in MY school personally, if you can't run amazingly speedy you get points off and although I know its like this in other classes, gym really should be a bit more based on the skills you can live up to rather than everyone be graded based on being able to do something they can't possibly do, and unlike in gym, other classes allow you to learn while gym you just have to do. I don't think it should be graded only on improvement but that should play a part in it.

No way, your grade should be based on how much the teacher likes you, just like it is in English class.

We basically get graded for effort, but with the gym teachers that we have, theres really nothing to put an effort into. Every gym class since the first day consisted of 3 things: You walk all period, you play basketball all period, or you go to the weight room all period. For the whole year.. How boring.

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@1228110

Our class had to do that, too. It really pisses me off how biased gym class is.

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@1228143

You sound like an ass.

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@1228143

@1228143 (_xl_5156): Are you kidding? I can't run a mine well at all, and I'm underweight. Not everyone whose nonathletic (or just can't run fast) is fat.

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Says the person with 'xl' in their name.

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@1228151

If you say so.

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@1228157

How can I raise an A?

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I don't really see a way to prove the truth to you, so...

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We know he's trolling Credibad...?

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He can lose weight, but you'll still be an ass

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I got a 13.04 on the kilometer, and I'm thinner tan you will ever be. One year later, and I now have a 9.54 kilometer.

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I love how retarded trolls can pretend to be.

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...because ur retarded.

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I think you're lying.

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@1228450

Frankly, I think you're an ass on top of being a liar, and also, I am not a redneck, I am middleclass, and there are not any woods in the vicinity of my residence. So please excuse me when I say fuck you, asshole.

@1228450

Also, you are a troll so GTFO.

At my school, it's all effort and tests on the history/rules of the sports and the body/ways to take care of yourself.

It should be a combination of both.

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@1228570

At least I'm not an upper class asshole who spends his days laying around instead of doing something useful to society. And I actually work for my money instead of having my parents pay all of my bills. Asses like you need to learn that money is not everything. To me it sounds like it is you that has a superiority complex, since you think you're better than everybody else because you have money.

Also, unless it brought down your GPA significantly, I doubt prospective colleges are going to deny you because you got a B in gym. Gym, Art and Music class really don't matter after high school unless it's your major.

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@1228663

Being a productive member of society is not the same as working all of your life. Also, if you come to my country, I'll show you how to be a servant-boy, bitch.

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But remember that I'm just an underclass redneck, so I can't afford a vehicle. And why wouldn't you want to visit the place you "own" ? Also part of that money goes BACK into my pocket, since my family owns the mineral rights to a large ranch in Texas. So you can come suck my dick, you worthless piece of shit.

@1228730

nothing better then tooting your own horn over the internet because god knows your "3 wives" wont do it for you.
And if your rich from oil, then i must be the fucking head astronaught at NASA.
Please gtfo and never come back

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Are you afraid of the US or something? And when did I ever say I was rich? Those mineral rights give my family to live on, and a little bit extra.I stated before that I was middle class. And if I ever met you, which I doubt I ever will, I would not beat you up because that is not the adult thing to do. Though I am sure I could considering I am a fairly large and strong person, at least for America. But, Mr. "I have three wives and own the United States," you can go fuck yourself. You said before that you don't care what I think, but my continuing to reply, you have shown that you most certainly do care. You are one insecure son of a bitch who has a horrible superiority complex and no morals. Have fun with your life. With that I will end this argument.

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good comeback bro, why dont you try using your "Yale" education to think of something better to say, or maybe use all of that oil money that you got there and hire someone to do it for you, since you dont have to work, why should you try to worry yourself with someone over the internet.....
your probabbly the second worst troll ive seen on this site, so congratulations, your not even the best at being the worst....

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Lol, no.

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Do you really think anyone cares how they "sound" on the internet? If we're gonna talk about how people sound, you sound like a total stuck-up asshole.

Anonymous +1Reply

They graded my high school PE class according to effort/participation. People still failed.

@Zeerust They graded my high school PE class according to effort/participation. People still failed.

it always ended up being the fat people and emos who didn't try lolo

Anonymous +1Reply

Illinois is the only state in the Union that mandates daily Physical EDUCATION classes for K-12. Unfortunately schools get around this with waivers for classes like Band or just ignore the law and do not have daily PE. Anyone that believes the PE isn't vital or is a "joke" needs to step into the shoes of a physical education student. I am a PE major and am taking the same biology classes as pre-med and nursing students. Not only do I have to pass these classes but I am held to the same standards as a math or science teacher. We have to pass the exact same basic skills test to receive our certificates.

Also, anyone that thinks PE is just "rolling the ball out" everyday either is ignorant or had an instructor that wasn't taught or lost sight of our goal as Physical EDUCATORS. I don't mean to offend or attack anyone for their beliefs, I just want to give a Physical EDUCATOR'S point of view.

There are good PE teachers, there are bad ones. I'm sorry if you had a bad experience in PE but please don't generalize the entire field based on that. While there are also bad math and science teachers, that class will never be cut from the curriculum while Physical EDUCATION is.

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@Illinois is the only state in the Union that mandates daily Physical EDUCATION classes for K-12. Unfortunately...

Well thank you for that insight. Unfortunately most of the time physical "education" is just running around a track for an hour and trying not to throw up. First semester this year I did get the opportunity to take a climbing course at my school which was pretty cool. But I find that most of the time in PE we aren't really being "educated" by learning about our bodies or how to eat healthy or anything, we're just told to do something and are expected to do it even if we physically can't. This makes PE very difficult for those who are not "in shape." Regardless, this post was not meant to attack PE in general, because I honestly don't mind it in theory, however the way it is orchestrated if often very flawed.

annikarosees avatar annikarosee Yeah You Are 0Reply

we're graded by a combination of effort, results and improvement over the years, being graded only on effort sorta misses the point.

Saigots avatar Saigot No Way -1Reply
@Saigot we're graded by a combination of effort, results and improvement over the years, being graded only on effort sorta...

Umm, you might be, but I don't remember ever being graded on effort... I had friends who worked out like crazy and couldn't get their speed up, while I breezed through it and got an A. I'm not complaining, but.... Oh an A on like physical fitness, not when we played sports like basketball or football or volleyball. I hated those sports, I mean I play tennis, ping pong, and soccer and if we were ever tested on those, I'd rape, but as a foreigner living in America it really pisses me off when people thought I sucked at sports, just because I wasn't good at those things

I agree to a certain extent, however if they did that for pe, they'd have to do it for all subjects. It just wouldn't work.

quit complaining and run fatties, ovbiously you need it. FUCK.

Anonymous -1Reply

its how its down in highschool, all by skill.

but think of it like this; someone is in a class, and tries really hard on homework or an essay, but answers the wrong question. they get a zero. it should be the same in gym. hell, it should be more than in class due to the extreme downfall our society has gone into in terms of athletic abilities/laziness in the average person

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It's physical education, so I think it should be based on how healthy and fit you are, not just on effort or physical ability...Yeah, the guy who looks like he's about to pass out after running one lap gave effort, but he's not fit and obviously didn't learn how to take care of his body. It would be unfair to people to have bad genetics, but with enough time they could do it. Plus, the acceptance of morbid obese-ness has got to go.

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