Students shouldn't be forced to say the pledge in school, amirite?

They aren't

by Anonymous 12 years ago

No one forces you to say it. It's not likey can use their fingers and finger fuck your mouth into pledging to the flag that symbolizes the greatness of the fucking country you live in!

by Anonymous 12 years ago

in my school you're not required to say it but you are required to at least stand and take off your hat.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

its illegal to force someone to say it, no matter what school you go to.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

How else are we gonna know who the Commies are?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Maybe if you're a terrorist... if you're going to live in a country and suck on all it's benefits like some sort of a parasite, the least you can do is have enough respect and decency to pledge your allegiance.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

you're awesome

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Someone has to be smirk

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Awesome is an understatement... kick ass is more like it haha

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Just like your tat and thanks, haha

by Anonymous 12 years ago

My teacher tried to guilt me into saying it by reminding me that my uncle died while overseas. Bitch.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Go, teacher. You deserved it.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Screw you

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I'm sorry about your uncle and I appreciate what he did for our country. Don't you?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Yes, of course. But me mindlessly repeating something that I don't believe in every day along with 800 other people isn't honoring him. He died for my right to NOT say the pledge. I don't say it because 1. I don't believe in God, and 2. We don't have liberty and justice for all.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I see your point, thank you for explaining. Although I believe in God, I think that line should be taken out. As far as liberty and justice for all, I'm not sure where I stand on that. It doesn't bother me enough to not say it.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

What part of it does bother you?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I'm not informed enough to decide if America has liberty and justice for all, so I suppose I could technically be a hypocrite for saying we do. But as I said, that really doesn't bother me.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

You don't say it because not everybody is treated equally? Oh I'm sorry America isn't perfect, what exactly have you done to get America to meet the conditions that you have set? Do you think that there is a better country out there? Well then go there. As far as I can see, we're moving towards a better and brighter future and we're making an effort to improve. While people work tirelessly to improve the country you sit there and yap away. You don't look like you've ever been outside the states, because if you had then you'd realize how lucky you are to have all these rights. Freedom comes at a great price and just because we aren't living like a bunch of wild animals with everyone doing what they want, doesn't give you the right to sit there and be disrespectful.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

First off, calm down. Just because we're a good country doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to be better. And I know how lucky I am to have the rights that I do. Now I want EVERYONE to have the rights that I do. I don't see anything wrong with that. And there's not much I can do as an insignificant teenager to change the country, short of starting a revolution, which isn't necessary yet.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

It's hard to calm down, when you've experience so much worse than this and you see spoiled kids talking about equality for all, while not knowing the cost of it. Read my 5th sentence. I clearly said that we ARE striving. All the things with gay rights and all your social problems aren't things that can be dealt with over night. With the diversity that exists in America, no body wants their rights touched. Everyone just has to be equal, but that's not the way things work. While you're working to preserve the rights of one, another is fighting it. In order to change the country you need to change the people. And you have that power. You start with yourself, then your family, then your neighborhood and pretty soon you'll be living in the kind of environment you wish to live in. You don't need to be a politician to do that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLUX0y4EptA&feature=relmfu Check it out when you're on a computer.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I love that song, I know all the lyrics. And changing people is what I am trying to do. That's why I don't say the pledge. Maybe people will take notice and think about why I am not saying it, and POOF they're on my side, and then they get their friends to think the same way, and they get their friends, and so on. That's also why I make posts on here that point out why gay marriage should be legalized. And that's why I debate with people, to change their point of view. If enough people change enough people, then before ya know it, the whole country is thinking the same way and everyone will get their rights! I know that isn't realistic, because there are some people that just won't listen to anyone else's points, but if we get ENOUGH people, then everything can change.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Gay marriage shouldn't be legalized

by Anonymous 12 years ago

How come? Does gay marriage affect you? Does it affect anyone else in a negative way? I bet it doesn't so I don't know why you would be against it.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Marriage should be kept as a defining characteristic of a heterosexual relationship. Straight, married couples receive tax benefits from the government, along with others - because it is assumed that, if possible, they will have children and therefore benefit the country. Gay couples cannot have children naturally. I also don't think that children should be raised by a gay couple, because that also isn't natural, normal, and although studies say it doesn't adversely affect the child, I believe that it does. Being homosexual should be accepted by society - it isn't a choice. But that doesn't mean it should be promoted. The argument that we tried "Separate but Equal" before is moot in this instance. Black people and white people are equal, gay people and straight people are also equal. But the relationship held between a heterosexual couple is greater than that of a homosexual couple. New life comes from heterosexual couples, not homosexual ones.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

So basically homosexuals shouldn't get married because they can't have children naturally, while a heterosexual couple can. Homosexuals can still have children by adopting, which would probably benefit the country better than having another person brought into an already overpopulated world, especially since there are so many children in orphanages. Not all heterosexuals can have children too, does that mean they shouldn't be able to marry since no new life is coming from them? Also, a child doesn't need two parents of opposite sex to raise them, they just need parents who love them and support them. Many kids grow up with homosexual parents and they turn out just fine.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

So let the heterosexual couples that can't have children adopt. That way the kid has a mom and a dad, not two dads or two mothers. I'm pretty sure i've had this argument with you before.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

But why shouldn't homosexual couples adopt? if homosexuals adopt, then there will be less children in orphanages and more in loving homes with parents who love them. Having two parents of the same gender does not affect the child negatively, so they should be able to raise a child. How does having two homosexual parents raising a child affect the child negatively?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The argument 'both a man and a woman need to be around to raise a child' translates to arguing that single parents should not be allowed to raise a child. As anon pointed out, this world is horribly overpopulated with humans. Kill 9/10ths of our population and there's STILL a hell of a lot of people. If anything, as far as population goes, gay marriage should be promoted as it's both helping to slow down the world's population from growing out of control, and giving orphaned children a better chance of adoption.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Cannibalism solves overpopulation too but we don't promote that. Homosexuality is not somethjng to be promoted either - it is a genetic defect in every sense of the word. If you want a gay couple to raise your kids, go ahead, but leave the rest in the care of the state in the hopes that maybe they can get a natural family.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Are you seriously comparing homosexuality to cannibalism? Cannibalism hurts people- kills people, even. Homosexuality is nothing but love, and it doesn't hurt anything whatsoever. Homosexuality is a genetic defect, is it? Well, let's prohibit everyone with ADHD, Asperger's, OCD, schizophrenia and more from marrying and raising kids as well. Let's take away their right to be happy just because they have a 'genetic defect' (which, by the way, homosexuality isn't). Does that sound fair to you?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Homosexuality is the embodiment of lust and an acquiescence to a basic and carnal desire from which nothing profitable comes.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

To me this whole argument is about a few things: where to draw a line, and a community trying to pervert one of mankind's oldest rituals and traditions. I've decided to draw the line at gay marriage. If not, where? Why not have polygamy? Why not have more acceptance of pedophilia? Why not necrophilia? Sure, most people find all these bedroom acts repulsive, but a small portion of the population derive real pleasure from them, and it isn't right for us to impinge on their freedoms and rights. I for one refuse to stand for any of them.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Polygamy doesn't affect you either but I doubt you're really all for that.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Want multiple wives? fine, I don't give a shit. As long as it's not harming anyone, it's none of my business, just like gay marriage is none of your business.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Well...it's gonna be. Just wait

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I hope for our country's sake that it won't ever be.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Yus, but doing something drastic such as not saying the pledge of allegiance isn't going to help you. It's like if someone religious jumped in your face and started telling you how bad of a person you are. You'll want to ignore that person, not listen to them. I mean not pledging, is a sign of disrespect, at least to me. And I feel like, disrespecting a country based on it's weakness, is a terrible thing to do, especially when it has so much goodness to offer. What I do/did even as a teen and you can too is volunteering at different places, helping out the community, getting people to register and vote, call people and inform them of the candidates. And there are many more options.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

First off, calm down. Just because we're a good country doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to be better. And I know how lucky I am to have the rights that I do. Now I want EVERYONE to have the rights that I do. I don't see anything wrong with that. And there's not much I can do as an insignificant teenager to change the country, short of starting a revolution, which isn't necessary yet.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

They don't exactly force you but, if you decide not to say it, you shouldn't be insulted. It's a part of some religions that are only strictly allowed to recite their relgions pledge and no other. It may seem strange but I do have a few kids in my school that CAN'T say it because of their beliefs.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

More like no one should say the pledge every day. I'm glad and all that you are over-patriotic to your country, and that you want to prove it by having this unnecessary ceremony each and every day, but it absolutely serves no purpose. And that's why no other country has it.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Every time I go to the comments in a post about the States, I see you have commented on it, hating on America. Especially on my post about America, when you said Americans were stupid, and below other countries. Can I just say that you should stop, and gtfo of America if you think so low of it.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

What? When did I say that? I demand a link. I've nothing against America, only its over-patriotism (and school system). But other than those two it's a fine country.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

isn't it a pledge? shouldn't you say it once and not have to repeat it every day.....?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

A post like this really pisses me off, especially just after the 4th of July. Other countries force you to fight in their fucking military, and you're bitching about taking fifteen seconds a day to say an OPTIONAL pledge?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The point is more along the lines of some religious groups do not allow their followers to say pledges to anything except for their religion(Jehovah's Witnesses are a good example) another reason a person would refuse would be the immigrated to America because of difficulty in their last home. For example, where I live, there are a lot of Somalians who have immigrated because of the war. Quite a few of them refuse to say the pledge because they still feel loyal to Somalia or don't feel that they are American.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

So then let them go back to Somalia... they come here to get a better life, they get it and in return what do they offer? Do they serve the country in the military? Do they volunteer? If they're so loyal, then they should go back, not AVOID their own country and not remain loyal to their new home.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I'm ok with religious reasons. I have some Muslim friends who can't say it and that's fine, especially because they stand during it to everyone else respect. But it bothers me when rebellious teens refuse to do it to try to prove a nonexistent point.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

In Somalia, there is no government, no education, no food and no safety. They came to America so they could have safety, an education and food. In Somalia, soldiers roam the streets. They do not in America. They came here for their safety. I know several Somalians who are remaining loyal to Somalia and going back once they would be safe there. I also know Somalians who are studying to be doctors and it seems that they were born in America. It depends on the person and they should not be judged just because they feel that this is a temporary arrangement.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I completely agree there.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Maybe those who don't believe in God should replace 'God' with 'Allah' or 'Jehovah' or whoever you believe in. Atheists can replace it with something or not say that part. That's just my solution.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Simply brilliant.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I think it would sound pretty cool in a class room... everyone saying the pledge in unison and then at the "under ______" part you hear a mix of different beliefs, showing the individualism across the room.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

And showing true unity as a country.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

And then I patent the idea and sell it for millions and millions of dollars! MUHUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The American way...

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Not to be a prick about it, but I had to point out that God and Allah are the same thing.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I'm aware. You're not a prick.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

i might be mistaken, but i think Jahova is God

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The point is that at that part in the pledge we should state whatever we believe in. If I want to say, "my dad," because I look up to him, then that's what I'll say.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

agreed.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

No one is forced to say it. I don't say it, I just stand when everyone else does, and even then, we wouldn't get in trouble for sitting, just weird looks because it's not normal.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

You should be proud to say it, America may not be perfect but it can be a hell of a lot worse. Have pride.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I live in a very small Texas tow that is very religious and patriotic, and you get in quite a bit of trouble if you don't say it. this one time in class we had a studant that just moved.from Mexico this year and she wasn't saying it but was standing up. after we said it the teacher yelled at her and said she wasn't in Mexico anymore.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The people who really think students should be forced to say it really don't understand freedom of speech. Also, people actually have good reasons why they don't want to say it, not because they are "rebellious teens". Some people don't say it because of the "under god" part and some don't say it because there's no "liberty and justice for all" when homosexuals can't marry. Also, some people don't say it for religious reasons, like jehova witnesses for example. Just because someone doesn't want to say it doesn't mean they are "ungrateful" or "unpatriotic". Does repeating the same pledge everyday really make you feel that much more patriotic? You can say it as much as you want, just dont force others to say it.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I hate that when people try to guilt me into saying the pledge of allegiance. I remember when I was younger I was in the Boy Scouts, everyone stood for the pledge and I just kinda awkardly sat there like the thug that I am. I got bitched out afterwards. And besides, it's not like it's being rude or like you're dishonoring the country, it's just not YOUR country.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I would rather that people would have the right to not stand during the pledge of allengence than not. Why? Because then the government will slowly eat away at our rights. That is exactly what happened in Nazi Germany. America has freedom of speech and everything is held in that category.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

All you guys hating all over the place here - all the post says is nobody should be forced to say it, which is true - First ammendment rights and all. Everybody just chill out. There are plenty of reasons to say it and plenty to not say it - to each their own, right? Let's have a big, internet group hug and move on.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

we dont even do it at my school

by Anonymous 12 years ago

It's just brain washing. We force them to swear to believe in this stuff and memorize our creed before they can even understand what it means. They should learn to think critically and judge for themselves whether or not to support their country.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Some of these comments are pretty funny. If you look at the post one more time, it says students shouldn't be forced to say it. It doesn't say, Awe, life sucks because we have to say a pledge. Some students don't agree with the pledge, so they shouldn't be forced to say it.

by Anonymous 12 years ago