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Jay-Z and Beyoncè are an example of a good relationship. They dated got married and then got pregnant, amirite?

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That's an example of a traditional relationship, it doesn't make it good or bad. A couple might date have kids and get married and have a loving, committed, fantastic relationship, and another couple might date, get married and have kids but have a horrible relationship.

@SpearmintMilk That's an example of a traditional relationship, it doesn't make it good or bad. A couple might date have kids and...

Traditional IS good, that's why it's a tradition... waiting til marriage to sex, shows you can wait. If you'll have sex outside of marriage on the other hand, what does that show you?

@KickAss Traditional IS good, that's why it's a tradition... waiting til marriage to sex, shows you can wait. If you'll have...

It shows that you wanted to have sex outside of marriage and did? If you want to wait then that's ok too, but it's each person's personal preference. Nothing is bad about my relationship because we're having sex and are not married, we're not religious so it's not that important to us. Tradition is not always a good thing, which is why a lot of them change over time.

@SpearmintMilk It shows that you wanted to have sex outside of marriage and did? If you want to wait then that's ok too, but it's...

Yes, but everybody is born not married. So you're on a plain level with everyone else, marrying someone puts you on a higher level than any other person (guy or girl). It shows your significance in that persons life. It brings you together and makes you family... legally.

@KickAss Yes, but everybody is born not married. So you're on a plain level with everyone else, marrying someone puts you on...

I doubt Beyonce and Jay-z were virgins before they got married... they just waited until they were to have a baby. Why does it put you on a higher level? Unless you're religious and using it as a sacrament, which I already said we're not. Where I live we have the same rights as a married couple anyway because we've been living together for over a year, we are family in each others eyes and our parent's etc... Being married doesn't make a relationship good, like I said there are plenty of married couples that have terrible/abusive/un-loving relationships and plenty of couples that aren't married but have been together for years and years and have great relationships. A ring and a certificate doesn't change your love.

@SpearmintMilk I doubt Beyonce and Jay-z were virgins before they got married... they just waited until they were to have a baby...

I guess we will never know now....

It's not a religious thing a paper and a ring are physical things, they show that you're not just anybody else.

People don't normally go around giving a certificate and a ring to just anyone. If you're married to someone, you know for sure that's the only person that you're married to.

For example if a guy goes around having sex with girls and then you meet him and there is a girl he is sleeping with, what's the difference between her and the other girls? She is just the girl he is currently sleeping with. Just because it's there now, doesn't mean it will always be there. At least when you marry someone, you're showing that at one point in your life, you were willing to commit everything you have to that relationship.

@KickAss I guess we will never know now.... It's not a religious thing a paper and a ring are physical things, they show...

People get married for many reasons, not all of them noble. Marriage doesn't guarantee love, commitment, or fidelity.

@KickAss I guess we will never know now.... It's not a religious thing a paper and a ring are physical things, they show...

And I'm that works for a lot of people, and that's great, but not for everyone. We know we aren't just anyone else... we live together, we have a life together, I know for sure that he's the only person I'm with and vice versa, we don't need a ring and certificate (and neither do lots of other couples). The ring and the certificate is literally the only thing different from our relationship to a person who is married. Your last point confuses me, if someone is sleeping with two people at once they aren't in a committed relationship obviously.

I don't think marriage is a bad thing and it does make people happy if that's what they want, but it's not necessary for a good relationship.

@SpearmintMilk And I'm that works for a lot of people, and that's great, but not for everyone. We know we aren't just anyone...

My last point is, if you meet someone who says they're in a relationship, you can only see their current state, they might be in a relationship now, but you won't how long that relationship will last. I'm not saying that person is having a relationship with two people, I'm just saying as a third party, you won't know if the relationship will last or not.

I'm not saying that marriage is good, I'm just saying that it signifies something, like money. It's just paper, but it has value to it. Marriage is the same way, it might be just a ring and certificate, but it signifies commitment (and I guess I'm the only one who sees it that way).

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I'm just saying they're not like those people who are like 16 and getting pregnant and not staying in a relationship

And will soon get divorced.

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