"In God We Trust" and "Under God" should never have been added to money and the pledge of allegiance in the first place, amirite?

I'm so glad this is positive

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You might want to check again. Unless I'm missing sarcasm.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Who cares? They're just fucking words. This is not life or death. Just because they're there doesn't mean you have to believe them or pay attention to them.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It goes against separation of church and state, though. Also it's not fair for people who don't believe in god. A national pledge should include everyone, and the best way to do that would be by having no references to god or religion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Same with the money too.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I don't believe in god, and I just say it. Just because I say some words doesn't mean I believe or don't believe anything. If someone who doesn't believe in god is offended by it, then just...wow. Do they start screaming when they drive by a church? It's really not all that important.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The scenario: "HOLY FUCKIN' COW, A CHURCH! I CAN'T BELIEVE I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FOR TWO SECONDS OF MY DAY. DAMN CHRISTIANS ALWAYS TRY TO CONVERT ME"

by Anonymous 13 years ago

This is hardly relevant to the post at all. But it's called the PLEDGE of allegiance. Kids around the country are asked to recite a PLEDGE every day. Why should we ask them to PLEDGE something about a belief in God if we live in a secular country? Faith should be practiced and kept in churches. And your rhetorical question is nonsensical. Driving by a church is not comparable to instructing schoolchildren to say something religious.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It doesn't go against seperation of state and church because it's not forcing a religion on you. It just says the word god.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

THANK YOU! See, this is another reason why I find you just so dang awesome.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Separation of church and state: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting free exercise thereof." Not "God cannot be mentioned anyone within the government, ever." It means that Congress cannot control your religious beliefs. And these small references to God do not control your religious beliefs.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I do have to pay attention to them. It's on every single form of cash, and I was forced to say the pledge of allegiance everyday in school. Church and State need to be kept separate.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well, our country WAS founded by Christians, and America is still the most religious of the developed western countries. I think if the pledge and seal had been created just now, it would be an issue, but these things are far in the past and we must forgive the men for being a product of their times where virtually every person believed in God. Atheism did not have significant numbers until more recently. People who are offended need to learn to ignore it and move on. If you don't think this God fellow exists, then why should you care anyways?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Founded by Deists. See my comment down below

by Anonymous 13 years ago

DEISTS! FOUNDED BY DEISTS! Holy goddamn monkey balls, why is this so hard for people to grasp? Most of the founding fathers liked the Bible morally speaking, but they didn't believe it as factual accounts of events. They also believed that God created the universe, then left it alone to run itself. No, I will not ignore it and move on. The government is forcing religion on me, and I won't have it. They portray the United States as a Christian nation, and it isn't. I don't want to live in a Christian nation or a nation that appears to be crazy for Jesus. Your logic is backwards, I care precisely because I don't think God exists. I wouldn't care if I DID think He existed.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

take a chill pill. The religious world isn't out to get you. We are all perfectly capable of walking the other way, that's what tolerance means. You just seem to be swinging the pendulum the other way with your extreme paranoia and seeming intolerance of religious ideas

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm paranoid because I don't want Christianity forced on me? It is neither intolerant nor paranoid to want the government to keep religion out of the public and government.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Nobodys forcing anything on you it just days 'we' you don't have to include yourself in the we if you dont want to, simple as that

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You dont have to be a Christian to believe in God you don't even have to be religious. Then don't use the fucking money then if you care so much, why don't you move to a secluded village where you can trade shit for a living

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You're either a troll or an idiot. Either way, fuck off :)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It is a blatant violation of separation of church and state. Everyone just goes along with it because that's the way it's been since before they were born, and they feel like they can't change "American tradition", even though it really isn't. So I care. If everyone really loved God so much, they would realize that He doesn't need His glory exemplified on our money. And students may not be required by the rules to say the pledge, but if you don't say it, the teacher gets on you about being disrespectful. Kids are pressured into praising God at school every morning. I know that isn't really that big of a deal because the kid CAN go against it, but it's the principle of it that I hate. The government isn't supposed to show favor to any religion, which I realize they aren't doing since every major religion believes in a "God", but they shouldn't show favor to religion in general, either.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

And why exactly does there have to be separation between church and state?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

That's a funny question.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Few notes. 1. This country was founded by secularist. 2. "God" was added to both the pledge and money in the 1950's. It's not even tradition.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

This is why I don't say the pledge anymore.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Honestly? There are MUCH more important things this country should be worrying about.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

In God we trust is our national motto. That's why it's on our money... The government just had a meeting about it a week or so ago, just to affirm it is still our motto. Nope, hasn't changed; thanks government. What would we do without you?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It shouldn't be the national motto either.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

But the government decided..

by Anonymous 13 years ago

This was probably said before, but in all honesty, who gives a shit?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Back then, there were virtually no atheists, so their version of "separation of church and state" just meant not saying which god you were referring to.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

There were plenty of atheists back then. I believe when Maryland was founded, it granted religious tolerance to all Christians, specifically stating that Jews, atheists, and other minorities were not granted equal protection.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Then there was no separation of church and state, either way, the OP is wrong

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Atheists are a minority, and the pledge of allegiance is about the majority. Does that mean it should go like this: One straight, white nation, under god...? No. Of course not. The only reason it was added was the "Red Scare" of the 1950's, since we wanted to show that we did not agree with those "godless commies."

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You know, from my experiences, British kids and parents never gave a damn about having to say a prayer everyday in school. And I didn't even go to a religiously affiliated school. So why are so many Americans butthurt about some kids periodically having to say the words 'under God' in a pledge they probably don't even pay attention to while reciting? Sheesh.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Whiny people like to whine.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Reading through these comments make me lose faith in the world. Is it seriously that big of a deal? It's not like it says something like, "GOD IS REAL AND WE ALL BELIEVE IN HIM."

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What is it saying then, in your opinion?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Anyone who doesn't like their money can give it all to me.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Who the fuck cares? No one can affect your mind. Its your brain not anyone elses

by Anonymous 13 years ago

E Pluribus Unum > In God We Trust. Seriously, it represents what the US was founded on so perfectly.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

E pluribus unum is latin for out of many, one..... http://www.greatseal.com/mottoes/unum.html

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I know that... What are you saying?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh...sorry. I didn't notice you had an inequality there ono

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh lol XD

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Separation of church and state: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting free exercise thereof." Not "God cannot be mentioned anyone within the government, ever." It means that Congress cannot control your religious beliefs. And these small references to God do not control your religious beliefs. Don't like the references to God? You don't have to say them; I've heard MANY people just eliminate the words "under God" when they say the pledge, if they say it at all. Hell, my Catholic school doesn't even say "God Bless America" at the end. Saying "In God we trust" does not necessarily mean the Christian God. It can mean whatever God (or lack thereof) YOU believe in and trust. That's how I think of it. God is just the universal word for "trusted force/diety/etc." Is that completely wacky?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No "god" is the word for any "trusted force/diety/etc" "God" is the word for the Christian god.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It is perhaps a little wacky. Politicians can reference God if they so choose, though it will certainly piss off/confuse/offend people who don't have the same beliefs as them. The issue is when our government (which is supposed to abide by separation of church and state) is referencing religion on our currency, with national mottos, and in public places. It shouldn't be. We either need to follow the Constitution or get rid of it. I don't see how people believe we can just ignore the law. You're right in saying that you can interpret it about not being related to the Christian god, but what about people who don't believe in God? OR a deity or 'trusted force.' How should they interpret it?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

For fucks sake, really? IF IT OFFENDS YOU SO ***DAMN MUCH DON'T SAY THE WORDS. I bleeped out the G word because I didn't want anyone to think that I was trying to convert them and attack their religion or lack thereof.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

kinda forced to at school

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Is theism being favored if 'one nation under God' is in the Pledge? Yes. However, is atheism being favored if 'one nation under God' is NOT in the Pledge? No.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

As for money: I don't care. A penny is a penny even if it has "fuck you" written on it. As for the pledge: I don't want my teacher to be my pastor.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I definitely agree. Those words should never have been introduced into anything created by the government. That being said, it isn't a major deal anymore.

by Anonymous 13 years ago