+93 Discourse over religion is nearly impossible to resolve. Important things that are essential for resolution (Rationality, Logic, Reason and Sense) are thrown out the window from one side of the debate before it even starts. amirite?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Because, there is nothing logical, reasonable, rational or sensible about it. :/ Duh?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

lol. It's a lose-lose situation.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It is.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ok, Now lets go back to cherry picking only what is convenient for us from our holy books to justify our every action and deny everything else while accepting the entire book at the same time. Don't let any of that evil stuff like sense, logic, or reason get in our way. ;)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

:/ I already do that. Wait... I'm going to shut up now. :P

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Everything has to be contextualized, it is important to distinguish between temporal and permanent laws. As well as general and specific promises. I.E. the Jewish scriptures provide a context for christian belief but are not completely followed due to the fact that the laws were temporal. I find very little objectionable in the holy books once I look through the cultural lens.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

there are metaphysical aspects that not even the religious understand. I still wrestle over the concepts of the trinity and hypostatic union. From a human perspective, systems of belief do not make any sense, and a present solely for psychological reasons. However there are instances, where reality cannot be explained by anything rational or logical. I have been a witness to miracles that science cannot come even close to explaining.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Religions exist to answer questions about life. They go about it in different ways, but that is their purpose. Questions to life have only one possible answer, just like every other question. Religious debates use Logical analyses of life to show why one answer makes more sense than another. Irrational analyses of life may lead to wrong answers, so rationality is necessary to find the truth. And if they're debating, they must be able to reason and weigh one possible answer over another. But... in the end, each party just walks away believing the answer that makes the most sense to them. If one side of a religious debate tries to throw out logic, reason, rationality, or sense, they are just as wrong as if someone tried to throw them out in a political debate, a scientific debate, or any other kind of debate. And as a reply to the above comments, I am a Christian who believes the entire Bible, but does not for one minute think that it justifies my actions, or disproves other sources.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Religion by design cripples all those cognitive tools I used as examples, therefore people entering the debate from a religious perspective are naturally handicapped as a result. This makes it impossible for both parties to come terms. Just thought I'd point that out.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Religion that does not logically answer life's questions does not answer life's questions. Religion that does not provide rational answers to life provide no answers. Religion that provides answers that don't make sense don't provide answers. Unreasonable answers are not answers either. But look at your logic, your rationality, your sense, your reason. Could it be at all possible that you are just denying religious arguments without giving them a good examination because they are religious? Could you be denying the rationality of religion because religion is irrational? That would be illogical. Look at religious arguments as you look at any other argument. There is a possibility that one side could be right and the other wrong, and examine each argument for validity; don't reject the argument outright. Use your own mind to examine the arguments, and see if religion has something to it. Go ahead and try; I'll start you off with a subject, the existence of a God.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No I don't. It comes from experience. You believe in talking snakes? resurrection? Pregnant virgins? That prayer actually works? God is a being of infinite power but somehow must jump through hoops to get things done? Oh and lets not forget god is a male. How convenient for a male dominated society. I believe there is no god, but If there is a God, who created god?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You phrased that question so that if I say yes or no, I look foolish or like a hypocrite. So: The talking snake; that was possessed by Satan himself, so yeah, it talked. Resurrection; If God didn't come back from the dead and thereby conquer death, then Christianity would be lacking in a large way. Pregnant virgins; well, if he could create man and woman, he can impregnate a woman too. Prayer; the simple answer is yes, prayer works. BUT, you can't just ask God for anything; only if your motives are pure and true, then God will answer whatever you ask of Him. Who said God had to jump through hoops? He's referred to as a Father figure, because that resembles his relationship for us; he cares for us and punishes us when we need it. But I don't think that God has a gender (except for Jesus, who had to be a male so that people would listen to him in his time). Have you ever tried to imagine the end of infinity? it's mind boggling. We can almost imagine an infin...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

We can almost imagine an infinite future, but an infinite past is beyond imagination. Something that always existed? How? Where did it begin? Just because you cannot imagine it does not mean that it doesn't exist. Take the atom for example; Before you learned about the atom, did you ever look at anything and think, "That's just made of the same basic three building blocks as everything else in the universe!" I doubt it. So: God has always existed, and his infinite existence is mind-blowing, but that doesn't mean that He hasn't always been. No one or nothing created him, but he created the universe. It's either God or matter that has always existed. If you believe that matter always existed, some big bang created the universe, and life evolved somehow from that, you still have to accept that SOMETHING was always there. But looking at the intricacies of life, the details in every thing, can you say that it was an accident? A result of chaos? Or a result of design?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm too sleepy to form a coherent wall of texts for you. I'll reply to you tomorrow, sir.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Affirmative, until then *tips hat*.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Religion is logical, rational, and makes perfect sense. That is why most people in the world live by it. How do you know that it isn't all the religion-rejecters that are incapable of seeing the logic in religion and therefore the ones that are handicapped from the beginning? I listened to you and thought about what you said, think about this.

by Anonymous 13 years ago