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Men sitting in a room somewhere in Washington have no right to decide what a woman can and cannot do to her body, amirite?

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If they make abortion iIIegaI, there wiII be girI who wouId try dangerous things to get rid of the baby and in turn harm themseIves. It's safer to have it IegaI in my opinion.

Deathelfs avatar Deathelf Yeah You Are +33Reply

Men sitting in a room somewhere in Washington were also the ones who said that it is okay for women to get an abortion in the first place.

HopeImrites avatar HopeImrite Yeah You Are +16Reply

Because only men can be in that position in the government.

@Caerwyn Because only men can be in that position in the government.

I'm not saying that only men can be in the government but right now, the majority of the people in the White house are men and I don't think it's their place to decide these kinds of things.

skye531s avatar skye531 Yeah You Are +15Reply

I'm pro-choice, but you have a bad argument. The question isn't about women's rights, but about when life starts. If it starts before birth, abortion is murder; if it starts at birth, abortion is just the removal of unwanted cells. Any argument about abortion that doesn't address when life starts is illogical.

Yeah, but they can tell her she isn't allowed to murder her baby.

@TheCatalyst Yeah, but they can tell her she isn't allowed to murder her baby.

I knew this post was coming... Some people believe that fetuses are humans and that abortion is murder, while others do not regard fetuses as human beings. In all likelihood, the two camps won't be able to change each others' opinions, so why bother starting this argument?

a_fetuss avatar a_fetus Yeah You Are +12Reply
@TheCatalyst Yeah, but they can tell her she isn't allowed to murder her baby.

It's funny because you are male and will never experience a baby growing in your uterus. Fuck off and let the girls argue this one.

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@It's funny because you are male and will never experience a baby growing in your uterus. Fuck off and let the girls...

Come on, that's like saying women have no right to discuss circumcision. Or that straight people can't fight for gay rights. Chillax, man. There's exactly zero need to be an asshole about this.

colettes avatar colette Yeah You Are +8Reply
@colette Come on, that's like saying women have no right to discuss circumcision. Or that straight people can't fight for...

I feel like this is going in the other direction though. Straight people are fighting FOR gay rights, but these men are trying to take away many options women have regarding pregnancy and such.

@Chell I feel like this is going in the other direction though. Straight people are fighting FOR gay rights, but these men...

And there are also straight people fighting AGAINST gay rights, and men trying to KEEP abortion.

@Emperorerror And there are also straight people fighting AGAINST gay rights, and men trying to KEEP abortion.

Oh absolutely! That comment was specifically designed to counter his just because of the way he stated his point...but in the context of this post, you have to admit that it's kind of dumb to have only men making decisions about these womanly things, right?

@Chell Oh absolutely! That comment was specifically designed to counter his just because of the way he stated his...

Well in the certain context, no. Because what they're deciding isn't "womanly things" they're deciding whether or not to consider abortion murder.

It's like how, using colette's example, women in the government should be able to debate about whether or not circumcision is mutilation.

@skye531 shouldn't it be her choice?

to kill her child? well yeah technically it's her choice, but if you make it a law that she isn't allowed to do so she can be punished for it. murder is murder no matter how old somebody is.

@ScottyD So a miscarriage is involuntary manslaughter.

unless if the mother did something to cause the miscarriage then it is death by natural causes.

@skye531 if that is murder, every month a women kills half a baby.

life begins at conception, once the seed is planted it becomes a human. if the seed is not planted it is just a cell that otherwise would have never become human.

@TheCatalyst life begins at conception, once the seed is planted it becomes a human. if the seed is not planted it is just a...

the first stage is called the embryonic stage and then it becomes a fetus. whether you or I or anyone believes that it is ethical or not, they still have a right to their decisions. Would it be better for a child to have been aborted than to grow up miserable?

skye531s avatar skye531 Yeah You Are +7Reply
@skye531 the first stage is called the embryonic stage and then it becomes a fetus. whether you or I or anyone believes that...

I am pro choice, but your reasoning is terrible. I'd much rather be alive and miserable than dead and, well, dead. That's the kind of thinking that leads to suicide.

@skye531 the first stage is called the embryonic stage and then it becomes a fetus. whether you or I or anyone believes that...

and why should that be for the mother to decide? why does anybody have the right to decide which is best for somebody else? maybe you should let the child decide that for themselves. personally I would prefer to grow up with a shitty life and have a chance to make it better, than to have been murdered before I can even decide which is better for myself. you keep talking about the mother having the right to decide, why don't you let the person who's life is in question decide what's best?

@TheCatalyst and why should that be for the mother to decide? why does anybody have the right to decide which is best for...

"Why does anybody have the right to decide which is best for somebody else?" You pretty much just said it yourself, but I'll say it anyways: why should it be for the government to decide what she does in the first place? I'm not saying I'd like to get an abortion; of course I wouldn't, but in the end, its the parents decision.

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@"Why does anybody have the right to decide which is best for somebody else?" You pretty much just said it yourself...

nobody has the right to decide what is best for somebody else, but I believe that in this case it is more them deciding whether it is right to extinguish a persons life for trivial reasons. if it were a decision that just affected the parents then no they should not be able to decide, but this also affects the life of their child and if the decision is whether or not to kill the baby then I don't think they have a right to that decision.

@TheCatalyst and why should that be for the mother to decide? why does anybody have the right to decide which is best for...

Do you know how ridiculously high suicide rates for kids growing up in adoption homes and whatnot is? So obviously, given the choice, said child is making the same choice the mother could have made to begin with saving that kid the pain of growing up with no love, horrendous living conditions etc.

@dollface_killa Do you know how ridiculously high suicide rates for kids growing up in adoption homes and whatnot is? So obviously...

I can only actually find statistics for this on one article.

"The study by researchers at the University of Cincinnati College of
Medicine in Ohio of more than 6,500 students in grades 7 through 12 found
that 7.6% of adopted adolescents had attempted suicide in the past year,
compared with about 3% of their peers. Adopted adolescents were also
more likely to have received psychological or emotional counseling--about
17% of adopted youth compared with 8% of non-adopted youth. "
http://www.adoptionhealing.com/Suicide.htm

personally I don't think a 7.6% chance that the child will attempt suicide is enough of a chance to justify the preemptive killing of said child. but personally I think the child committing suicide is much preferable to them being aborted. at least they were the one who made the decision themselves rather than someone else deciding whether or not THEIR life is worth living.

@TheCatalyst life begins at conception, once the seed is planted it becomes a human. if the seed is not planted it is just a...

If life begins at conception, why are we not 9 months old at birth? Life begins when the heart starts to beat, which is when the baby is actually born.

Treldmans avatar Treldman Yeah You Are -6Reply
@Shugah I'm prochoice, but the heart starts beating way before birth.

Well, you get my point though that it doesn't start at conception. I realize my mistake and concede to it.

Treldmans avatar Treldman Yeah You Are +5Reply
@TheCatalyst Yeah, but they can tell her she isn't allowed to murder her baby.

Despite the fact that I'm leaning more towards pro-choice than pro-life, your comment shows why this post doesn't work. Because the reason "men sitting in a room somewhere in Washington" would pass a law against abortion isn't because the majority would think what a women does to her body should be in their control, but because the majority considered it murder to have an abortion.

tl;dr: Government officials aren't deciding what a women can and cannot do to her body, they're deciding whether it's murder or not to have an abortion.

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