+312 I know that many people will disagree with me on this, but I don't understand why the whole 'gay rights' thing is still an issue. I'm not going to say the Bible condones homosexuality, because it flat out doesn't. But at the exact same time, the Bible does not condone sinning, and every single person I've ever met is a sinner. Gay or straight, equal rights should be a given, at least in America. Jesus said, let anyone who is without fault throw the first stone & I'm definitely not without fau... amirite?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Religious texts are irrelevant to legislation in non-theocratic nations.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

That's simply not true. If a nation holds to a moral belief, even if that moral belief came from a religious text, it is acceptable for the law to reflect that moral value. Personally, I believe in legalizing gay marriage. I just wanted to clarify the difference between a non-theocratic government and an atheistic government.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Laws can certainly reflect morals seen in religious texts, but the reasoning behind the law cannot be "because it's in this religious text," it must be "because practical reasons X, Y, and Z."

by Anonymous 12 years ago

What the Bible says doesn't matter anyway. Didn't our ancestors come here to flee religious tyranny in the first place?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

OP's reference to the Bible was just a response to a big argument against gay rights. She was saying that they're right, the Bible is against homosexuality. However, the Bible also says other things that more attention should be paid to rather than hating gays.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

My belief, from a religious point of view is that yes, God hates homosexuality. It says in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin and it also says God hates sin. However, that is not the only sin. Everyone sins. That's the bottom line. So while God may hate homosexuality, he still loves the homosexual, as he still loves every sinner. So who are we, as sinners, to pass judgement on another for their sin?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Couldn't've put it better myself

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Haha. "Couldn't've"

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Haha I know I say it all the time and now written down it looks so weird.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Couldn't have said it better myself.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

That suggests that homosexuality is a fault, which it isn't. You're trying to say, everyone sins, so let them sin. You're saying homosexuality is wrong. But it isn't.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

You're completely missing the point of this post.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

From a religious standpoint, yes it is wrong. It says so in the Bible. But it is not the only sin. Every single person on this earth has sinned. I'm not going to judge another person for their sin when I am not free from sin myself.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

It still implies they did something wrong, which they didn't. That's why religion is wrong.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

You can say it isn't wrong all you want, but that doesn't make it true. If you do not believe in the Bible, then fine. You have the right to do so. If you do not think homosexuality is wrong, then fine. You also have to right to do that. And I also have the right to say that you are wrong, which you are.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Excuse me? What is going on here? Am I being outnumbered by religious homophobes?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

This post isn't homophobic at all, and none of these comments are homophobic, and 'religious homophobes' is your argument?. Lol, don't get mad because no one agrees with your opinions.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

My opinion is that homosexuality ISN'T WRONG! I thought I was the good guy here.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Yes, because insulting people's religion definitely makes you the good guy.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

What's this? A moron with lame comebacks? Actually, I am not homophobic. If you would pay any attention to what I have been saying, you would see that I have no right to judge anyone else for what they do.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

But that's where my point is, you're saying you can't judge them, even though they are doing wrong. I'm saying they aren't doing wrong at all. And yeah, I'm insulting religion. Boohoo. Religion is nothing but trouble.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

So, it is ok for you to judge me for my religion and say it is nothing but trouble, but it is not ok for someone to judge you based on who you choose to like? You sound like a real winner.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Yeah, especially when that religion tells you to judge those who "choose" to like the same gender. But actually, it's not a choice, if you didn't know.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Actually, the religion says do not pass judgement on others. At all. For any reason. That is God's job, not ours. Before you insult a religion, make sure your facts are correct. And actually yes, I did know. I am a psychology major, we have discussed this in class. I, unlike you, gather correct information about a subject before blatantly arguing for or against it. Personally I do not have a problem with homosexuals.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I'm not trying to debate, all I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. Since you seem to agree with that, that would suggest the bible is wrong.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I said I do not have a problem with homosexuals. After I repeatedly said that from a Biblical standpoint, it is, in fact, wrong. Homosexuality is a sin but I am not going to judge someone for whom they love.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

So, you don't take this religious standpoint then? Do you agree that the religious standpoint is wrong?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

No, I just spent the past few comments saying that it is correct. I also think it is correct that we are not to pass judgement on others for any reason, which is why I am not going to hate someone simply for being homosexual when it does not affect me personally. I do not agree that the religious standpoint is incorrect.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

So you believe they are sinning? You don't judge or discriminate against them, but you still think it's wrong.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

It is a sin, yes. But I am not going to personally hate them for it because it does not affect me. I'm not sure how to make myself anymore clear, but you are talking in circles.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I understand what you're saying, it just makes no sense. You know it's not a choice, yet you still say it's a sin. I understand you're not going to hate them, which is good, but you're still saying they're sinning by being born a certain way. If they were created that way, wouldn't it be God's doing? So wouldn't that mean God made them sin? So why call it a sin at all?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Acting upon it is a sin, sir. And unless you have new information, I am done with this conversation. I have given you my thoughts and my reasons, and there is nothing left to say. You are grasping at straws that simply are not there.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Yeah, straws being your brain.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Good comeback, sir. I must applaud you on your utter brilliance and eloquence.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Clearly you didn't want to have a logical discussion, so I went with name-calling. Yes, it was immature of me. I'm sorry.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I was all for having a logical discussion. However, I felt the logical discussion was complete because I stated my points, backed them up, and then it was up to you to figure it out without me having to explain it ten different times.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I'm not looking for an explanation, I understand what you're saying now. I disagree, but you have a right to your opinion.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

And you have the right to yours. Is this discussion over?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I suppose.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

What I'm saying is that from a Biblical point of view, it most definitely IS a fault. Your opinion is something else entirely.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I don't think a religious viewpoint should be considered in lawmaking anyways. But yeah, I get what they're saying.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Fuck the Bible, its gay

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Its gay what?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

"Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Yeah I went there - quoting the bible. I'm not religous but I travel a lot and the bible's the only reading material in hotels. It denouces sinning too, but Jebus died for that so its all good. I'm trying to be the smartass here, but I think you really ought to read thr source material first. Digressing from that, the reason anti-gay movements are still a thing is because some people in charge don't have empathy for others.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Opps *NOT trying to be a smartass lol

by Anonymous 12 years ago

That isn't about sex at all actually! What Leviticus actually meant was that a man should not treat a man as his inferior, because treating a man as a women was wrong. Back then a women belonged to a man whether he was her father or husband. Having sex after their marriage meant that she was now his "property". And besides if we were to place Leviticus in effect we would have to killed all unmarried, non-virginal women, divorcees, and people who mix fabrics. So pretty much no one can preach Leviticus without being a hypocrite. (I know you weren't preaching Leviticus and you're not religious, but I was just putting this out there before anyone did use Leviticus as an argument.)

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I forgot to add in that the word “lie” at the time was meant to convey respect, not sex.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

lol "Jebus"

by Anonymous 12 years ago

When did he/she say the Bible accepted homosexuality.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I'd like to see Credetemi respond to this one.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I'LL GO TELL THEM!

by Anonymous 12 years ago

It genuinely boggles my mind that there are still people up in arms about LGBT people, it really does! It's just so... normal, and harmless.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Really though, being gay is not as big of a deal as they make it out to be. It is so normal to me I can't imagine a community without gays.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

You can't imagine a community without gays? I've never even seen an openly gay person in my life...

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Holy crap, where do you live?! Yeah, growing up my parents had gay friends, and since like 7th grade I've known I had gay peers.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Boulder, Colorado.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I totally expected you to say like Texas or south carolina, which is why I asked.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

No, I think there's just a really small percentage of openly gay people.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Homos are all going to hell, so I say let them live with the little joy they'll ever have here on earth.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Homosexuals are going to hell? I'm straight but I'll meet them there. A god that will damn an innocent person to an eternity of hell just for the different chemical balances in their brain is not a god I'll ever want to worship.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

They're not innocent, they sinned the moment they engaged in homosexual activity.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Like I said, if they're going to hell, I'll be right there next to them. I'd rather support them than your god.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

If people are born gay, then God made them that way. I don't see why he would purposely make them like that if he was going to send them to hell. God wants everyone to go to heaven, after all. God loves everyone, gay or not. So why can't we?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Why is it that all religion posts have an insane amount of comments?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I think the question should be why do they //still// have an insane comments. We've been through this a thousand times before.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

My main thing is why do people say it doesn't mention anything about "homosexuality being a sin" in the bible. When it most certainly DOES, how can a christian just flat out not see that when it's clearly written in verse? I'm not agreeing with anything the bible says (I'm an atheist) but I just don't get how christians can pick and chose and refuse to believe things their own bible says.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I didn't have time to read every comment, so this has probably been said before, but the fact that "Marriage" is a religous term means two things. 1. It adds one more argument for the religious people that gays are considered "sinful" and therefore should not be allowed to marry. 2. It means that the government shouldn't be allowed to enforce it, i.e. "Seperation of State and Church"

by Anonymous 12 years ago