-99 If a single living cell was found on a distant planet, scientists would exclaim that we have found life elsewhere in the universe. So why is a single living cell found in the womb of a pregnant woman not considered life, amirite?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

it is considered life according to biology.......some people just like to ignore that though

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I don't think anyone ignore's that it's alive. Some people just don't think it's a person, which is the whole debate.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Not one of those people who says it is not a person can't even remember being born. How do they know? I mean really how do they KNOW.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Cause science.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

So it's alive but not human. What is it than? A seahorse?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

No, dickhole. It's a clump of biological cells. God fucking dammit.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Are we really going to do this again? No matter what any one says, no one is going to change the mind of a pro life or pro choice person.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

your hair is extremely sexy in that picture

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Aw shucks, thank you :3

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I see where you're going but I disagree...I know people who have changed their minds. But for the most part you're right

by Anonymous 13 years ago

that was never really my goal with this post. i just thought it was a good observation

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No one denies that an embryo/fetus is biologically alive. The debate is about when it changes from simply a multicellular organism to a human being with rights.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Everyone has a right to live

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Right, except if it isn't a person, which is exactly what he said.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You're not following. There is a difference between "living" and "having a life." The difference is sentience. Cancer cells are living, but they lack sentience, and therefore don't have "a life." Tiger cubs are living, have sentience, and therefore do have "a life." For your example, unicellular organisms found on another planet are living, but they don't have "a life." When it comes to abortion, the zygote/embryo/fetus is living, but for the first 20-24 weeks it lacks sentience, so there is a debate about when exactly it has "a life."

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Who exactly stood up on a pedestal and proclaimed aloud for the world to hear that apparently, "everyone has a right to live"? Honestly, who spoke those words? Who declared as fact that a non-sentient being is entitled to a contract explicitly stating that they are owed a life at conception? No one "deserves" life. Life is not entitled. The worthiness of life is subjective. Your opinions don't hold true for other people. "If you're going to say God said life was sacred, well you kinda looked over the fact that God was the #1 leading cause of death for thousands of years!" -George Carlin

by Anonymous 13 years ago

John Locke actually. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_and_legal_rights or if you don't trust wikipedia http://www.thefreemanonline.org/features/john-locke-natural-rights-to-life-liberty-and-property/ It's a universal custom that everyone has the right to life, liberty and property.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Yeah, I can agree with that. Everyone on this earth deserves life, liberty, and property. But that isn't enforced in all places and doesn't affect everyone, can you say the US Constitution applies to fetuses as well?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Okay then. Let's kill you

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I wouldn't have a problem with it if I were aborted as a fetus. I didn't do anything to deserve life. My mother chose to carry me to term, and here I am today. I wouldn't have told my mother that she'd better give birth to me because **I deserve life, dammit**. I only think it's murder if the person is clearly expressing desire to live or if they are unable to do so, they have expressed that desire before. You can't just assume everyone wants to live. For example, I don't believe assisted suicide or euthanasia is murder. However if you were to kill me right now, that's obviously immoral, as I definitely want to live.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

What gives you the right to live, what have you done? You simply existing or something having the capability to live doesn't mean it has a right.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

i'll repost what i posted above: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_and_legal_rights

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Don't send me a long ass article and expect me to read the whole thing, copy and paste what's important.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

everyone is entitled to life, liberty and property. established by John Locke. universal unalienable law.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

While I agree with some of what Locke says, it's the opinion of one man that wound up being generally accepted. Just because Locke said that everyone is entitled to life doesn't necessarily mean it's true. I mean, I can write a book and say that everyone is entitled to free ice cream on Wednesdays, and I can even get people to agree with me and rally behind me and claim that what I say is right, but it doesn't make it true.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You really sent me a long ass article just to get that across? And as someone already stated: just because a historical figure said it doesn't make it true. It's an opinion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Its a univercally accepted law. I broke it down for you, no need to be rude

by Anonymous 13 years ago

"Everyone" only refers to people. "People" refers to sentient, civilized beings. Fetuses are no more sentient than the bacteria you wash off your hands after you take a shit. Animals, on the other hand, are sentient, yet we kill them by the hundreds for our own convenience.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Exacly the point of my post. It's sad we don't consider it life

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It is considered a life though, no one refutes that. Just people don't consider the life of a few cells as more important than the rights of a sentient being.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Just throwing this out there: Why does anyone have the right to exist?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I responded to this twice above. Besides the universal law, I believe God has a will for everyone. We can't determine who has a right to live, that's just morally wrong. Please respect my opinion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The words "I believe" usually are what invalidate arguments. But while a lot of us probably do respect your opinion, that respect can only go so far when you try to prevent others who may not necessarily agree with those beliefs from doing something that they may feel is necessary. And sometimes, it is necessary.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Lol since when am I making anyone do anything? You think all pro-lifers just want to control people. That's not the point. That's like me saying all pro-choicers are baby killers; I know that's not true. No one does respect my opinion. But that's not my problem

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It's the fact that the majority of pro-lifers want to outlaw abortion, which is controlling people. Telling people that what they choose to do is wrong simply because you believe it is can be considered controlling people and not respecting THEIR opinion. It's what bothers me most about the abortion debate. Everyone has different opinions about it, but they're just that: opinions.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well I can say the same thing about you. Since you're allowing people to have abortions, you are encouraging people to be murderers.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I'm not encouraging anyone to do anything. The whole thing about being pro-choice is that I want women to have the CHOICE to have an abortion or not. No one should be allowed make that choice for them.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

i'm not controlling anyone to do anything. the whole thing about being pro-life is that i want babies to have the CHANCE to live, no one should be allowed to make that choice for them.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

But you are. You're making the decision for the mother. Maybe she can't afford to keep the baby. Maybe she has health problems that will cause the baby to die anyway. Maybe the baby is causing the health problems. Maybe she's just not ready. There's a plethora of reasons a woman may choose to have an abortion, and none of them are easy decisions to make. And don't give me that "you can just put them up for adoption" bullshit, either. As I said in another comment on this post, the adoption system is flawed and there are millions of children already needing homes. We don't need to add to that number.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If the stipulation for life is a single cell, then every male should be convicted of cereal killing every time they masturbate.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

OP. Answer this. I want to see what you come up with.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

My post is aimed at those who don't consider a fetus life. It is. And if you have an abortion open your eyes and atleast admit that you stopped a life.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Actually, your post is aimed at those who don't consider a zygote a life. The fetal stage is in between the embryonic stage and birth. It's only a single cell for a few milliseconds before it begins dividing into a morula. So HeartOfFeS2's point still stands.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

And they didn't even address it. Wow.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Do want to know the difference between a human and a very early stage human embryo? That embryo is not sentient(conscious). It's the equivalent to a pencil. It doesn't feel anything.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

DanielJames beat me to it. But I'll say it anyway. No one is saying that a single cell isn't life; of course it is. It is a living cell. But some people (like me) believe that just because that cell is living doesn't make it a human.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If a piece of broccoli was found on a distant planet, scientists would exclaim that we have found life elsewhere in the universe. So why is eating broccoli not murder?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Honestly, I don't know why this made me laugh so much.....

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Thank you for pointing out the stupidity of this post.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I agree with the first part. I don't really want to get into the last part.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Killing dandelions isn't murder, and it's life too. A single cell in a uterus is no more aware than a dandelion.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Doesn't apply. A single living cell doesn't have a brain and therefore cannot think. It sounds as if you're telling us you think everything deserves to live, including that cow you ate at McDonalds yesterday.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

While I don't agree, I do think this is a good point

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Not to be irrelevant or anything, but isn't it stupid how some scientists claim that there can be no life on certain planets due to the temperature, atmosphere, etc. ? I highly doubt that foreign 'organisms', or aliens if I should say that, is some sort of humanoid creature or anything like the organisms on our planet so we can't say that it is impossible for life to be found on certain planets because we know nothing about the other life forms. They could be made of 'Zloof' and may be just evolving right now for all we know.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Predicting what elements would work to create life other than the ones we know (carbon, oxygen, the works) seems pretty difficult so you can't really blame them for going off what we know. And the diversity of life on Earth is already astounding, so it's not like those elements are severely limited. And unless Zloof is a compound, it doesn't exist.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Ok so kind of off topic but here's my opinion anyway: You shouldn't just have an abortion because you don't want the child. You should have an abortion if you can't afford to have the kid, if it will cause you physical illness to give birth, or if there's a high chance that the kid will be too ill to live. But in the case of the 1st one, adoption is totally an option (lol adOPTION) and there are women (and men?) out there that would kill to have kids so...

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I agree with that but I don't understand why it's necessary to control the circumstances in which you have an abortion. An abortion is an abortion, a fetus is terminated regardless of the situation. The end results of a rape victim having an abortion and a irresponsible young adult having one is the same. A fetus is no longer alive. So why do we feel the need to make ourselves feel better about what we just did by outlining the specific circumstances?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Because wouldn't you rather do something bad for a legitimate reason rather than doing something bad because you really don't give a fuck?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

If it's so bad, it wouldn't have a legitimate reason, now would it? All the reasons for doing something bad are selfishness or greediness. Now, I'm pro-choice, but you can't justify doing something bad even if you know it's bad. I just flat out do not believe it's bad, so I think I'm justified in my stance.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Even if you were raped (p.s. i hope you aren't because that's not cool) you would stand where you are now and keep the kid even if you weren't ready for it and had no probable options to take care of it?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

No, I likely would abort it. I'm pro-choice. I think everyone needs control over their bodies. I'm saying I don't understand it when people are against abortions except in cases of rape because even though a rape victim went through serious trauma, the same result comes out of it, so why not allow it for everyone?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You m'dear, are a genius with your words!

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The only problem with adoption is that making that choice just adds to the millions of kids around the world that are stuck in a broken system. Adoption could be a possibility for millions of possible parents if it wasn't so expensive, too. It's a flawed system that needs to be fixed before we can just advocate for people to put their unwanted children up for adoption.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

A zygote isn't sentient. it can't think, it can't feel, and it can't do shit. by the time it can do all these things, abortion is not an option. If potential is the debate, then you're killing millions of bacteria by moving and breathing in your lifetime. all of these have the potential to become sentient in a few billion years. fucking murderers.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Stop it with all of this abortion stuff! Some people do think it's a life, (or with human rights or whatever) like me, so stop trying to explain it's not, and vice versa. Just vote yes or no and leave it alone.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

People have opinions and they're going to share them. If you have a problem with that then you need to get off the internet.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You do realise you are on on a website that is designed for people to post and discuss different opinions right?

by Anonymous 13 years ago

It is considered life. Some just don't believe it is morally wrong to end that life when it is so early in development.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

While it is life, it's not sentient life. Being an embryo is the equivalent to being in oblivion, you don't comprehend anything.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

I know, I was just saying. I don't think it's morally wrong to kill it.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Oh I agree with you. I was just expanding on what I thought you were saying.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

You wanna go, bitch?!? Haha jk, I just found it funny how defensive I got. I'm very argumentative.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Well in hindsight if any living organism is considered life then it should be illegal for men to masturbate or even for us to cut down a tree, trees are plants, plants are living organisms, trees make money, you used money to buy the computer or device your commenting on, you helped in the process of destroying life...you bastard

by Anonymous 13 years ago

How screwed up has our society become to try and point out that 'not everyone deserves a life?' Thats not even normal.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

1. It depends on your definition of 'everyone'. If you mean every living thing, then I'm sure you'd have to make some significant lifestyle changes in order to avoid hypocrisy. If you mean every person, which I suspect you do, then that's where the definition of 'person' must be examined. 2. It's absolutely true that 'not everyone deserves a life'. I don't know what idealistic universe you live in, but I live in one with serial murderers, serial rapists, genocidal dictators, and many other depraved people who do not deserve to continue living.* 3. While it's cute that you want to make some general statement about society that will surely cause us all to take a step back and shake our heads at what's become of our world, your words are in fact vague and cliched, and they carry no real weight. *(I'd like to add as a sidenote that I am against the death penalty because while I do believe there are those who do not deserve to continue living, I don't believe it is within our capacity as humans to discern who precisely these people are or aren't.)

by Anonymous 13 years ago

The problem with the pro-life argument is that it's so fragmented. The pieces are accurate, but it's impossible to put them together and make a valid overall argument. So yes, a zygote/embryo/fetus w.e. is living. So is a blade of grass. Yes, the fetus is human. So are my skin cells. Yes, the fetus could grow up to lead a revolution for the greater good. It could also lead a genocide. There is no cohesive argument against abortion; each individual point can be easily dismantled.

by Anonymous 13 years ago

Everyone on earth comes from this cell. How is it not your beginning? How is it you can say it is not a person when you don't remember? Most people can't even remember when they were two. Anyone who has rasised children can see the different PERSONalities in each infant. A bunch of deceived people. Wow.

by Anonymous 12 years ago