I can't decide on this post. Someone please tell me their reasons for voting the way they did.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I voted yes because I think it's unfair for there to be an alternative solution to pregnancy, but if your partner disagrees with it, you have to deal with //their// personal decision for 18 years. Because sometimes couples do not mutually agree on a solution, it's unfair to forcefully subject them to the decision the //other// person made. If a person decides to keep their baby against the other's wishes, they should realize that because they ignored the other's decision, it's just right for them to ignore their child support checks as well.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

You are right. Sort of like how if both parties wanted to give the child up for adoption they wouldn't be expected to pay for it, which sort of nullifies all the counter arguments I can think of.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I voted no way, because if the father didn't want a child he shouldn't have gotten her pregnant. If a guy decides to have sex he is deciding to risk getting a girl pregnant, and once she is, it is her body and her decision what to do with the child.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Do you think that if two people want to give a child up for adoption they should have to pay child support?

by Anonymous 11 years ago

By that logic, if the woman decides to have sex, she risks getting pregnant and hold just as much responsibility (except in cases of abuse of course). Additionally, in life, we are always responsible for our own choices. Therefore, if she chooses to keep the baby despite objections from the father, she is solely responsible for raising the baby. In this situation, however, the father will not have to pay at the cost of not having any paternal rights, including visitation and custody.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I agree with you in that the woman holds just as much responsibility due to the fact that it is a mutual decision to have sex. However, I don't think the father has the right to knowingly get a woman pregnant and then object to keeping the child if the mother wants to keep it. If he doesn't want a child he should be thinking about that before he has sex. A guy can't object to having a baby if he doesn't object to having unprotected sex. He can solve the problem this way before it exists.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

But the sad thing is we can't turn back time. So now you have a baby, and it's the mother's final choice to decide to keep it or not. I don't believe the father is allowed to make any decisions for her regarding the pregnancy. It's her choice only. Since I believe he is totally helpless in this situation, it's unfair to make him pay for a decision he was not allowed to make. The point is, my opinion that a mother has completely total power over her body makes it logical for me that the father has the choice to pay child support. (Of course, it must be done with both parties' agreement recorded on a legal document during the pregnancy. I don't think it's okay to call for an opt-out 3 months after the birth of the baby).

by Anonymous 11 years ago

There are quite a lot of places that give fathers (mostly, but sometimes mothers too) the option to give up all rights concerned with the child and not have to pay child support.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

You don't want to pay child support? Don't cum inside of her.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Just be sure you have a condom on. If you pull out without a condom you can still get the chick pregnant. Basically, CONDOM=GOOD

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I think in the end the father shouldn't be forced to legally, but he should at least be obligated to not give up his child or abandon the mother, regardless of her decision.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

if pregnancy was accidental? for sure. if it wasnt, then no.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Should've thought about that before you decided to fool around and have sex.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

exactly..and who will live with the pain is they ever decide to abort?the female.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

It's not like she has to abort. She can still keep it. Besides, this post works for the other gender too. If a male wants to keep the baby then the woman doesn't have to have anything to do with them. Also, I agree with this post ONLY if the opt-out has both parents' agreements. Having the father just completely ditch the mother is not okay. Also, if the father is not legally obligated to pay child support, then he is also not legally obligated for custody or visitation rights at all.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I'm so fucking sick of this argument. It's not fair to ask that everyone who has sex be prepared to have a baby. Condoms break. Birth control fails. Or maybe someone just makes one stupid fucking mistake. But someone can take all of the necessary precautions and still get pregnant. People have sex. People of all ages and socioeconomic statuses have sex. It's just what happens and what always will happen.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Look, it's just my opinion that people should be more careful about sex, but LIKE YOU SAID YOURSELF, there's always that possibility that it COULD happen and people should be cautious about that ESPECIALLY IF IT'S PREMARITAL SEX like this post is pretty much insinuating.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Personally, I don't care if people are ready to have a baby before they have sex. But I do think the possiblity needs to be discussed and they need to figure out how they would handle it if it did happen. And if they can't agree on something as important as this, they shouldn't be together at all.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Maybe they're not together; maybe they just hooked up. Maybe they're just friends. Not everyone who has sex is in a committed relationship, nor should that be expected.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Who said anything about them being in a committed relationship? They just shouldn't be together, meaning they should not have sex together. It's not like I think people need to be ready to have a baby before they have sex, I just think they should have a plan that suits both people just in case a pregnancy does happen. It shouldn't be that hard to find a fuck buddy who has the same plan as you.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

If a woman gets pregnant and wants to abort but the father wants to keep it, I say that it is ultimately the woman's decision. I think it should be encouraged that she go through the pregnancy so the father could support the baby but that is a lot to ask and naturally varies by case. As for the father wanting to abort and the mother wanting to keep it? The father should not have to pay child support. It is fully the mothers decision. If she's not financially stable to raise a child that isn't the father's fault. If she wanted money and stability she shouldn't have had sex with someone without discussing this. However, the same goes for men. If the woman gives birth so he can be a father, the woman shouldn't have to pay child support and the father should have to cover the medical bills. If the father wanted stability and a child, no double standards there- he shouldn't have had sex without someone who had the same intentions. Everyone should be responsible for their own actions.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Everyone has to take responsibility for their own actions. The man can't just say he doesn't want it and not expect for there to be no consequences. Everyone who has sex knows what //could// happen, so they need to have a plan. The plan can be abortion, adoption, or they could keep it and raise it together or raise it separately. If they can't agree, as much as I hate to say it, they shouldn't have sex.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Upvote because if it's an accident, the mother has all the power in this, even if the man explicitly says he doesn't want to keep it, hes fucked and has to pay child support anyways.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I have omitted my vote because there are far too many variables.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

Vise versa? If the girl didn't want the baby, she could get rid of it. she wouldn't need to pay child support

by Anonymous 11 years ago

In case you "men" didn't know, sex causes babies. It has since the beginning of time. You made the choice. Simple as that.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

I don't know how old this comment is because I'm on mobile but I'm replying anyways. The woman made the choice to have sex too and she should know the consequences. People are acting like the fictional girl was forced to have sex and then became pregnant. The both knew what could happen but there are ways out of it. If the girl decides to keep the baby but the father makrs it clear he doesn't want it, it was her sole descision to keep it and shr should have to deal with it because it's the consequence of her actions, not just his.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

The father should have to pay child support. I think of it like he got into a car accident. He didn't get into the car thinking that he was going to wreck his car. But he did. Now he is at the mercy of the person of the persons car he hit. It would be so unfair if he could dumb a child on the girl he had sex with because she decided to be responsible and keep the kid, while he wants nothing to do with it.

by Anonymous 11 years ago