"Excellence is the best deterrent to racism or sexism." -Oprah Winfrey
But it's not really the money, per say. It's not like they're upset for not hitting a specific income. This woman would still have to do more and working harder and better to get the same pay than a man doing the same work with the same education and the same quality of work being produced.
Exactly. And it is blatant discrimination, but no one cares. If black people were paid less for doing the exact same job as white people, shit would hit the fan. No one cares if women are the ones who are discriminated against.
The whole woman income garbage is a myth. If women were truly paid $.70 for the same work that a man gets paid $1 for, then a business would be foolish to hire any men, because they could hire 4 women for the price of 3 men. You would go out of business for hiring men.
The issue where that money comes in isn't that entry level female workers are getting paid less, the average is about high paid positions. What happens is that while men will ask for more or better raises, women won't. Men negotiate their pay more effectively and more often than women. Once women are in the work force for longer, it should hopefully even out.
The other problem though, is that men are more likely to receive raises from their bosses, which is the real issue.
There was actually a study done that showed it didn't matter if women asked for promotions they were still less likely to receive them and women that didn't ask were actually rewarded for not being to pushy, when I'm not on my mobile I'll find the link.
That's just a catch 22. If women try and fight against the glass ceiling they are labelled as moody and a bitch and the boss loses respect for you, but if you just take it and not do anything about it you're labelled as weak and the glass ceiling is justified that way and the boss loses respect for you. Nothing was ever fixed by ignoring the problem.
And yeah it's 2012 and you can achieve anything you want but the fact still is that women have to work harder than a man to achieve the same results in a lot of professions.
@pantherfanatic No, because that would imply that the employers would have to make a conscious acknowledgement of the fact that men are paid more than women, whereas the discrimination which takes place in these kinds of situations is, I believe, subconscious.
An experiment was conducted to determine this. A group of randomly selected people were told that two people, a man and a woman, were police officers hoping for a promotion. Half of the subjects were told that the man had a formal education and the woman had first-hand experience from working on the streets (or something along those lines). The other half was told the opposite.
The subjects were then asked who they thought was more qualified for the promotion, and the results showed that both groups leant in favour of the man.
These people would not have thought of themselves as sexist, and yet the evidenced proved the contrary.
The conscious acknowledgement is completely irrelevant to the economic impact on the company.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/n...washingtonpost There is an article about it.
That's not necessarily true; that most likely WILL be what the bosses will say if a woman complains about it, however.
This is a nonsensical sentiment. Maths says someone has to be average, otherwise it isn't average. Women get paid less than a man doing the exact same job, AND are less likely to get high-paying jobs. It isn't women whining about having to work hard to get money - it's about having to work HARDER just to get the exact same amount of money as a man gets. That shouldn't be the case.
Telling people it doesn't matter than they're discriminated against because it's their fault for X reason is never acceptable. Their shouldn't BE discrimination for them to have to overcome in the first place.
I understood the sentiment of the post, but all it really is saying is that 'it's okay for men to be average, but women have to go above and beyond for recognition, and that is okay.'
I hate when women bitch about being paid less. If you expect a man to buy everything for you he needs to be paid more.
If you have a girlfriend who expects you to pay for everything, then you need to get the fuck out of the relationship.
I can't imagine what's going on in your mind right now. "I've had some golddigger girlfriends, hmmm, in order to solve the problem I think I'll make ALL women work harder for the same amount of money! Damn, I deserve myself a fucking medal".
The fuck is wrong with you? Stop fitting the stereotype crazy bitch
A medal and a bucket of cash for you, dear. I offer my condolences for your failing relationship and how it changed your outlook on the world infinitely. It is very tragic.
(I hope that comment was directed at me because if not, oops).
Not all women should be paid less. But the sad truth is that they are. It's another sad truth that they expect jewelry, flowers, dinners, etc. I realize not all women are materialistic, but not all women are paid less either.
It could be just me, but I don't really see how those things relate. This post is about how much money men and women earn, not about how they spend it...