-118 A victimless crime should not be a crime. amirite?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

-Marijuana. -Gay Marriage. -DMT. -Euthanasia. Others that are iffy. -LSD. (While it's impossible to overdose on LSD people have been known to have bad trips and cause harm to themselves because that didn't know what was going on. The thing is this only happens when taking excessive amounts of LSD. Strict control of the substance should be allowed in my opinion.) -Abortion. (Obviously what's iffy here is determining if the foetus is considered human enough to be a "victim". I am personally Pro Choice.)

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I agree with all of the above except for LSD. I don't know I feel like it would be taken out of control. But yeah that would be a nice world there.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

@Chasing_Echoes: Gay marriage isn't a crime.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I would agree with you that pot is a victimless crime if not for the Colombian drug cartels who are the spawn of American marijuana demand.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Well it isn't legal. Because marriage has to go through government they just won't allow you to marry. So you can never truly commit the act. But it is still illegal.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Does Colombia export marijuana to the US? I thought they only did cocaine. If they do, making it legal would end that, anyway.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

@lemme think Victimsless crime

by Anonymous 12 years ago

What is DMT?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Dimethyltryptamine it's a psychedelic drug along the lines of lsd but people say it produces more vivid hallucinations

by Anonymous 12 years ago

DMT is a naturally occurring substance found almost everywhere in nature. It is produced in our brains every night when we sleep and is what causes us to dream. It can be found in many plants, extracted, and then smoked or used in tea. It is the most powerful hallucinogenic substance on the planet. Many of it's users claim to experience contact with a Creator giving it the nick name "The Spirit Molecule". The effects last for about 5-30 minutes depending on the dose. They are also so strong that unlike other hallucinogens the location of where you take it does not matter. DMT because it is such a naturally occurring drug has ZERO negative effects. And due to its intense power it can't really be abused. (Driving UTI) For a hint at what you see (explaining the feeling is like explaining colours to a blind person) while using the subject I give you this picture. http://ctrlv.in/99753 There is also a documentary on Netflix explaining it in much greater detail. I highly recommend it. Here's a video showing the trip pretty well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VsYIldsjCc It starts at about :30

by Anonymous 12 years ago

It's also good to note that not everyone experience animals. Many will see geometric patterns. Some will have very fluid visions of actual beings. It's dependent on the person. But EVERYONE will leave this world.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

@chasingechos That's fucking insane...

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Tis. I hope to study it one day. Go watch that documentary (it might be on YouTube too) it's an incredibly fascinating chemical.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Doesn't euthanasia have victims?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Euthanasia has a customer.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Assisted Suicide has a customer. Euthanasia can still be considered a victim.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Thanks for the info, Anon and Chasing_Echos.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

...necrophilia?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I'm sure the families of the deceased will be slightly offended. Also it's destruction of property and trespassing to get them out of the grave.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Let's say the family didn't bury the body and gave it to you for that reason, then should it be legal? And victimized is not the same as offended. The homeless man down the street has no family and wrote in his will I could have his body for sex, then should it be legal?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Yes. If the person whom the body belongs to gives you permission to have sex with their dead body then by all means have your way with it.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I think the problem with things like necrophilia and grave robbing (basically any victimless crime concerning the dead) is that corpses are horrible, horrible magnets for disease. A lot of disease in middle ages was due to the dead just not being treated properly then - graves not dug deep enough so dogs would dig them up and bring them into the open, etc. One incident is harmless. Two or three or four probably is too. But wide-scale bad handling of the dead wreaks havoc on public health. EDIT: This is probably a similar case for victimless sex acts such as public sex, nudity or masturbation. A few incidents harms pretty much nobody. But if it was legal, it could risk becoming more widespread, which would be very poor for sanitation, public health and overall public welfare.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Why the hell is Casey Anthony one of the topics?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The worst part of your comment is how true it is.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

What if it's something that COULD have a victim, but doesn't always? Like... drunk driving for instance. If you drink and drive but manage to get from point A to point B, is it still a crime? And if not, can you get pulled over for it if you haven't hurt anyone? There may be better examples, that's just one I thought of.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

It could be fatal, so I don't think it would be legal. Unless something is completely victimless then it shouldn't be considered a victimless crime.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

You should get pulled over because you have the potential to hurt someone soon.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Something that lacks the potential to have a victim should be the post, doesn't necessarily have a victim, but there easily could be one

by Anonymous 12 years ago

With many "victimless" crimes, the person committing the crime is making themselves the victim. For example, harmful drugs.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

But if I want to harm myself, that's my business.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

If you're harming yourself I wouldn't classify it as victimless. Usually in situations such as drug abuse related deaths and suicide, the least affected person is the "victim", their family and friends are going to hurt an awful lot more saying as they have to bury them and live with the pain.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I think any law that is in place to "protect us from ourselves" should be abolished. I agree with HarryPotterFan777. If I want to fry my brain with ecstasy and cocaine, you don't have the right to tell me I can't. If you think you do, then don't you also have the right to tell me I can't eat cake, cut myself, go to tanning beds, or do anything else that isn't good for me? It's the exact same principle. And before anyone brings up how drugs make people hurt other people, just don't. In some cases, drugs cause violent behavior (the Miami "zombie"), but it isn't at all common.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Oh, and drugs can also cause car accidents, but as long as alcohol is legal, that isn't a valid argument.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

And when your tripping out you can harm others

by Anonymous 12 years ago

well with coke etc you're harming yourself etc, so there kinda is a victim, so its a crime, just the victim is yourself.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

There's always a victim. Either it's yourself or someone else. Nothing without a negative impact on people is illegal.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Marijuana. And technically Gay Marriage is illegal.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

marijuana and gay marriage are both technically legal. And even though I support gay marriage, it can upset deeply religious people so I guess they're a victim. Also, marijuana is proven to cause health problems and is a gateway to other drugs.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Marijuana has no proven health problems. I'm not sure where you got that. Also alcohol has been proven to being a stronger gateway drug than marijuana. And if someone being offended makes them a victim then quite literally everything should be illegal. Everyone is offended by something. That doesn't make them a victim.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Sorry. I just re read your comment. How in the FUCK is marijuana technically legal?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

It's legal in parts of the world

by Anonymous 12 years ago

ono

by Anonymous 12 years ago

? It is actually legal. What is your problem?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_country Read carefully. Then understand that not all countries abide under a single world law. Then understand that this post clearly isn't talking about places that a victimless crime isn't even considered a crime.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Sorry but I refuse to accept wikipedia as a credible source. And the post is talking about victimless crimes not being crimes. Well they aren't crimes in some places. America isn't the only country on earth.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I know. I never said it was. I'm not sure where you got that. And wikipedia is an incredibly credible source. I'm done arguing with you because you're inserting your own bullshit and ignoring facts to try and win a debate. And I just can't handle that.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Isnt maryjane legal in amsterdam??

by Anonymous 12 years ago

haha incredibly credible

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The only (body) health problem you get from marijuana is when you smoke it, inhaling smoke is obviously not bad for you. THC it's self is not harmful, and you don't have to smoke weed to feel the effects. The only study that's ever been done that proved marijuana harmed your brain is the one done on monkeys where the CO2 killed the cells, not the weed. It had been shown to give users reversible (meaning they quit, the problem quits) short term memory problems. It has also been shown to be able to both trigger or repress psychosis. This is only because THC effects the caudate nucleu, then people experienced a sense of paranoia and an intensified sense of significance and auditory hallucinations. When not under the influence, these are signs of schizophrenia. It should also be noted that correlation does not equal causation. Just because you smoke weed and get a mental disorder that lasts while not high, doesn't mean weed is the problem. They might have gotten the disorder even if they never smoker. The reason marijuana is a gateway drug is because it's illegal, so that is not a reason to keep it from being legal. To say marijuana is technically legal because it is in s...

by Anonymous 12 years ago

some countries is very stupid because I could easily say it's not legal because it's not in most places. If it is illegal for a girl to learn to read in one country, is it technically legal because girls in other countries can?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

While I love what you have said I'd like to bring up a few points. 1. They did discover that they can kill rats with marijuana. What they do is fill their glass cage with smoke until there is no oxygen left. (you see the problem here) 2. All noted cases of mental disorders were later discovered to have a family history giving them a strong likelihood of having it themselves. Other than that I thank you for your comment.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

That really pisses me off. They're scientists for Christ's sake, they should know that filling the glass with the smoke of a freaking rose would kill them! It's like instead of going "I'm going to test what marijuana does to rats" they were like "I'm gonna prove marijuana kills you" and preformed a test that would "prove" that it did. The mental disorder thing, I was pretty sure I had heard that before but I didn't want to say what I wasn't sure of, so I threw in correlation=/=causation.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Well these "Scientist" were government employed. It was their job to produce negative results. Much like the test performed for LSD. They gave 160 micrograms of LSD to the mice every other day for 3 months and said that they began to become less social. A human dose of LSD is 25 micrograms. And their "less social" aspects were probably them trying to stop having that much LSD forced on them. That sounds terrible. No one would want to go through that.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

>:| I don't even know where to begin.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

So, this seems like a good post to bring up abortion... Is the fetus the victim??

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Usually you are only allowed an abortion before the heart starts beating, showing it is alive. If having an abortion at such an early stage is illegal, you might as well make throwing a rock into a pond illegal because you're hurting the pond, rock, and whatever the rock lands on.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Her thinking it's a human doesn't make it human. People need to learn the difference between emotion and factual evidence.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Well if fact states that it's not a living human then it's not a living human. Even if it will eventually become one. I'm not sure how that can be interpreted.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Notice I said living human. If its heart isn't beating it isn't alive. And therefore abortion can not kill it.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

"Any contiguous living system is called an organism. These animate entities undergo metabolism, maintain homeostasis, possess a capacity to grow, respond to stimuli, reproduce and, through natural selection, adapt to their environment in successive generations." I don't know to what extent a fetus reacts to the environment but to be fair there's not much of an environment to react to.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Now I shift the emphasis over to human. It is alive the way any sack of cells is alive. It's alive enough for me to consider it life on another planet. However it is not alive or human enough for me to consider it murder.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Chasing_Echos, cells are, biologically speaking, alive. Without a heart, a fetus is a cluster of living cells with human DNA.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

@Chasing_Echos ; The heart of a fetus starts beating between 18-24 days. That's less than a month. In many places, such as the US where I live, a woman can have an abortion throughout the first two trimesters.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Hmmm. Well personally I don't consider it alive until it's out of the womb. I was just playing nice for the sake of not hurting feelings or starting a huge fight. So I'm just going to back down because I simply don't know enough about the biology of a fetus to have any sort of sound, logical judgement.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Couldn't you say that the pregnant person is a victim too? Pregnancy and labor harm the person who is carrying the fetus.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

So you don't think things like grafitti, littering, public nudity, public urination, parking at a meter without paying, etc should be crimes?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

--grafitti, littering, public urination-- *vandalism. Obviously has a victim. --parking at a meter without paying-- 8Stealing. Again an obvious victim --public nudity-- *Indecent exposure. Nudity is a private thing. Keep your privates out of my public.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Okay, if I did graffitti on a sidewalk, who is the victim? Who is the victim if i drop a sheet of paper on the floor? If I pee in a bush, is that really vandalism, and who is getting hurt ? I'm thinking victim in terms of a person here. I guess the city is the victim if you dont pay for the meter, but a specific victim is not being singled out. Do you have any better examples of a victimless crimes?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Anyone who witnesses public nudity can be considered a victim.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Okay, you're right about that one.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

You don't have to be hurt to be a victim...

by Anonymous 12 years ago

My sister took this one class last year, and she said that the teacher (who's a cop) said that public nudity isn't actually illegal.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Not paying at a meter: meters are a pointless invention that just get the population to pay even more to the city. I think they should be eliminated.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Perhaps nudity laws are regional, and I interpreted "victim" with a negative connotation, meaning someone is hurt in some way even if insignificant. No one is coming up with examples of a victimless crime besides drugs and alcohol. Do more not exist? My examples failed, but I still NW because you can't say drunk driving, for instance, is not a crime until you hit someone. Then cops would have to wait for an accident and victims instead of preventing accidents by pulling people over and having them arrested. Some

by Anonymous 12 years ago

crime noun 1. an action or an instance of negligence that is deemed injurious to the public welfare or morals or to the interests of the state and that is legally prohibited. I think that if it's victimless, it therefore caused no harm to anyone, and should thus not be called a crime.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

What would be an example of a victimless crime?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

A crime that doesn't hurt or negatively affect another person (in most cases), such as prostitution.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

But what defines a "victim?" If someone is on like, heavy meth, they're obviously the victim yadda yadda blah, but shouldn't the family be considered victims because it hurts them to see their family member like that?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

It's good to see a POTD with a near even score.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I opened up Amirite and saw POTD had +0 and was all like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evrVQDxPaww

by Anonymous 12 years ago

:( y u go NW

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Because some laws are laws because they're in the best interest for all of society (like the having to pay taxes law). Just because there would be no victim if they were violated doesn't mean they aren't important.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

So you're implying that if a country collapses due to having no money, there would be no victims? Seems unlikely.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Some copyright laws are dumb as fuck in my opinion....

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Exactly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk862BbjWx4

by Anonymous 12 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCTAqdDfL58

by Anonymous 12 years ago

what about tresspassing? if all your doing is going on someone else's property and not vandelizing, or breaking anything, or making noise, etc...

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Yeah, but if you looked out your window and saw someone just standing on your lawn you'd get pretty creeped out.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

By trespassing you are violating someones privacy. For instance, if you went into a corporate office you could see things that could give a rival company an unfair advantage.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

thats true, i was just pissed off about this one time i got in trouble for tresspassing and i was mad cause i didnt harm anyone, and it wasnt like i was spying on someone's company or house or something

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Drugs? Speeding?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Me throwing a football has the potential to create a victim. Eating a gumball has a potential to create a victim. I don't think something should be a crime just because it has potential.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Rape ALL the animals!

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Since when are animals not a victim?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

According to a law in Florida, anyone who takes a bath must wear clothes...

by Anonymous 12 years ago

That's actually word for word. Most states have very strange laws that are never enforced for obvious reasons. http://m.randomhistory.com/crazy-laws.html

by Anonymous 12 years ago

In Virginia (where I live) it's illegal to have sex with the light on.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Is that an actual law? Like. They wrote it down?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Does that mean I can take a tiger?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I don't know about any of the laws you guys mentioned, but it's illegal to have an ice cream cone in your back pocket in Lexington, KY. Reason: People used to lure horses away from their owners by putting ice cream cones in their back pockets. Makes sense I suppose but it's outdated and therefore not enforced.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Whaling is illegal here in Oklahoma.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

lolwut I'm sure it's a huge problem there.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Well no bathing without clothing maybe it was the times where it was public baths or baths is just an old name for pool?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Why is this in the category "Casey Anthony"?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Actually I've just thought of an exception. Impersonating a police officer. Could (in rare circumstances) actually be a beneficial crime, yet it must remain a crime to keep the law system working.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I agree, but there are so many gray areas that would have to be decided case by case.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Attempted murder. No victim. Still a crime.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Um, even if the person didn't die, that person could have been injured physically and/or psychologically.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I think that "No victim, no crime" is too vague of a statement to be completely agreed upon, but for the most part I'd say yes. The law is supposed to protect us (although it's obviously more complicated than that), but police shutting down a little kid's lemonade stand or people being fined for their grass being an inch too long is just ridiculous.

by Anonymous 12 years ago