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FDR's decision to join the war as a result of an attack on US soil was met with a positive reaction by the people. 9/11/2001 happens and Bush's subsequent decision to start a war was the beginning of everyone hating him for no reason. Everyone says they hate Bush but they don't really know why. He was probably one of the better presidents we've had since FDR, amirite?

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Kid... that'd be like if FDR attacked Canada, because Japan attacked us....

One, 9/11 was caused by a group.
Two, we attacked a country.
Three, the group wasn't in the country we attacked.

KickAsss avatar KickAss No Way +43Reply
@KickAss Kid... that'd be like if FDR attacked Canada, because Japan attacked us.... One, 9/11 was caused by a...

Iraq was also invaded because of the weapons of mass destruction...that were never found there.

_Jojo_s avatar _Jojo_ No Way +9Reply
@KickAss Kid... that'd be like if FDR attacked Canada, because Japan attacked us.... One, 9/11 was caused by a...

Oh and, not to mention, FDR's involvement in the war was exactly what the suffering U.S. economy needed to get money flowing again. In stark contrast to Bush, who ending up messing us up BAD. Under Clinton, we were on track to paying all U.S. debt.

Teks avatar Tek No Way +3Reply
@KickAss Kid... that'd be like if FDR attacked Canada, because Japan attacked us.... One, 9/11 was caused by a...

World war 2 did not get us out of the great depression, only after the war, when all other great producers were destroyed and the US was last man standing, did the economy flourish to fill in the great void left by the war

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@KickAss Kid... that'd be like if FDR attacked Canada, because Japan attacked us.... One, 9/11 was caused by a...

Actually, during WWII it was essentially the exact same scenario. We attacked Japan because of Pearl Harbor, we then got involved in the attack against Hitler to help those that could not help themselves.

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This post reeks of ignorance. Of course there is a reason why Bush's popularity gradually fell. His approval topped out at 90% just after 9/11, started falling, conveniently rested at 51% in November 2004, before bottoming out in the 20s by the time he left office. Read his wikipedia article for an unbiased history of his Presidency and you can see why many consider him a poor President. He placed a ban on stem-cell research; handled Afghanistan poorly after the fall of the Taliban and allowed Bin Laden to escape at Tora Bora; invaded Iraq against the will of the U.N. and most Western nations on the false premise of weapons of mass destruction , and proceeded to draw out the conflict which subsequently caused a civil war; pushed through the PATRIOT Act, which widely expanded the power of the government to spy on its people; passed No Child Left Behind, which furthered the education gap between the U.S. and the Western world; botched the handling of Hurricane Katrina; passed detrimental tax cuts that erased the Clinton surplus and sent the debt skyrocketing; etc.

Anonymous +34Reply
@This post reeks of ignorance. Of course there is a reason why Bush's popularity gradually fell. His approval...

It's called fall-out politics. Do you honestly think anyone could clean up Bush's mess in 4 years?

Anonymous +19Reply
@It's called fall-out politics. Do you honestly think anyone could clean up Bush's mess in 4 years?

Presidents have fucked things up much worse before and we were able to recover better than with Obama. We shouldn't have to make excuses for our president. He's not a dictator or a monarchal ruler, he's replaceable. We need to replace him or 4 years from now he's gonna say he needs more time

MissAlwaysRites avatar MissAlwaysRite Yeah You Are +4Reply
@It's called fall-out politics. Do you honestly think anyone could clean up Bush's mess in 4 years?

Oh my God -_- it's only what he promised to do... He still blames everything on Bush. It's comical.

Anonymous -4Reply
@This post reeks of ignorance. Of course there is a reason why Bush's popularity gradually fell. His approval...

If he had made any progress toward fixing things that argument might be understandable but most of America is worse off now then when bush left.

And I hate when people boost Obama by saying "Bush was worse". First of all, economically Obama is worse. He's spent more than bush in less than half the time. And second, that doesn't make him a good president. Bush wasn't Obama's alternative in 08 and he isn't this year either.

Anonymous +9Reply
@This post reeks of ignorance. Of course there is a reason why Bush's popularity gradually fell. His approval...

MissAlwaysRite, you said presidents had messed things up much worse and were able to recover better than Obama. Can you give any examples? Honestly. I could be going blank here. The only economic crisis I can think of that is worse than the current one was the Great Depression. Yes, FDR did do a great job with that, but guess what? He did a massive overhaul, one that Obama could never get away with today. He closed every bank in the country at one point. He did the New Deals and created Social Security and the FDIC, etc. And you can bet it was expensive. Obama had plans that were expensive and were massive overhauls,too. Besides, FDR had something called a rubber-stamp Congress to help him along. We have the opposite: a stalemate Congress. When people say Obama has done nothing, that's an oversimplification. Though it has stagnated recently, this administration has been on top of job creation. I'm not saying Obama is a stellar president. I'm saying it's not as simple as "Obama sucks because things aren't getting done quickly enough" or "Obama sucks because he spent this much."

_Jojo_s avatar _Jojo_ No Way +8Reply
@_Jojo_ MissAlwaysRite, you said presidents had messed things up much worse and were able to recover better than Obama. Can...

I'm not saying it's as simple as that either. If you'd like me to send you my 7 page paper on this I can, I just didnt want to write out my whole reasoning in that comment, sorry

MissAlwaysRites avatar MissAlwaysRite Yeah You Are -2Reply
@This post reeks of ignorance. Of course there is a reason why Bush's popularity gradually fell. His approval...

Good thing Obama has done so much to "fix" these things! Hahah! Right guys?!

Anonymous +3Reply
@This post reeks of ignorance. Of course there is a reason why Bush's popularity gradually fell. His approval...

That won't be necessary, haha. My last few points (after stalemate Congress) were not meant for you, more for the others in that reply chain. I should have specified. I just couldn't think of a time where a president has dealt with a problem "much worse" than this and "resolved it better than" Obama other than FDR who had more favorable political settings.

@_Jojo_ That won't be necessary, haha. My last few points (after stalemate Congress) were not meant for you, more for the...

There's economic downturn every 20 years or so. Yes this one has been worse than most but Obama definitely hasn't helped that

MissAlwaysRites avatar MissAlwaysRite Yeah You Are +3Reply
@This post reeks of ignorance. Of course there is a reason why Bush's popularity gradually fell. His approval...

At the first anonymous post: I agree with everything except for the very end. The Clinton "surplus" wasn't a surplus at all, it's like paying off a credit card with another credit card and saying you're free of debt.

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I'm politically retarded so I have no idea

@Unicorns I'm politically retarded so I have no idea

Then why did you comment? You literately commented to say you have nothing to say.

Anonymous +5Reply

I suppose Iraq never happened?

Wow, I'm not sure if you're just trying to be a hipster, especially with that "everyone says they hates Bush but they really didn't know why.", but that's wrong.

Anonymous +6Reply

Does this thoughtful analysis take the slow and gradual clusterfucking of the US economy into consideration....?

All I can do is hope you're a troll.

9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq. The attacks were not supported by Saddam Hussein. We were not attacked by the Iraqi military. None of the hijackers were Iraqi. The war in Afghanistan was a response to 9/11, and it was almost universally supported following the attacks. We went into Afghanistan to get Al-Qaeda and bin Laden, who we believed were being harbored and supported by the Taliban. We almost got bin Laden at the Battle of Tora Bora in October of 2001. But we lost him. For 10 years. One of Candidate Obama's main points was to "re-focus" to the war in Afghanistan, which he along with many others believed was our "true conflict" and had taken a back seat to Iraq. In fact, as early as 2002 as a state senator, Obama warned against entering an unnecessary conflict (Iraq) and ignoring one that we had valid reason for (Afghanistan). And what did he do as president? He surged in Afghanistan in the summer of 2009, and we are no longer in Iraq. Oh, and Osama's dead (although that had little to do with the surge in Afghanistan). What a liberal pussy...

kw94s avatar kw94 No Way +3Reply

He did some good things but most were bad. I supported the war in Iraq...for the week it took to win it. Mostly people hate him or the economy. Obama has only revamped his policies. He presided over a complete and total government overhaul. Obama again put that on steroids. In my opinion he failed but not nearly as bad as what we have now

@WinniethePooh He did some good things but most were bad. I supported the war in Iraq...for the week it took to win it. Mostly...

What're you talking about the war in Iraq has been going on for 7 years get your facts straight before you comment.

Crispiests avatar Crispiest Yeah You Are +3Reply

It helps that FDR didn't need to invade germany under a false pretence or lock the country in a pointless war. He was also in general a much better president than Bush and actually tried to help the poor, rather than claiming to be Christian then middle fingering all of Jesus teachings about helping the poor of following his commandments.

I get the feeling whoever started this is either a troll or poorly educated, but I still think its worth saying

Anonymous +2Reply

Theodore Roosevelt was a hoss

@Jonesy Theodore Roosevelt was a hoss

Like go watch a documentary on him. True man's man

Also, I will say, as for the "hate" for Bush- Everybody needs to just calm the fuck down. The amount of personal hatred for political figures is ridiculous. Look, I personally believe Bush was a poor president, and that Obama has done some very important things for this nation while dealing with a colossal mess that was in many ways not aided by the Bush Presidency. But I also think they are both fundamentally good men who did nothing but dedicate 4-8 years of their lives trying to make the country they loved a better place, and took on unimaginable stresses and demands to do so. There is no reason to so vehemently hate these men, as the good folks at the OWS/Tea Party movements do.

kw94s avatar kw94 No Way -3Reply
@kw94 Also, I will say, as for the "hate" for Bush- Everybody needs to just calm the fuck down. The amount of personal...

Except that President Bush spent millions of tax dollars to go into Iraq. His invasion of Iraq was arguably to prove himself to his father who did the same thing. Just because he had "daddy issues" does not mean he should invade a country.

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