I'd like to thank Jack3305 for inspiring this one guys. Here's how our conversation went! Him (in reply to me saying when he persistently asserts that there 'HAS to be a god' it isn't an argument): "You say all this yet you can't give me one reason why Christianity is wrong" Me: Because there's literally no evidence to support it's divine origin Him: Yes there is. The bible. (he then goes on to say that I am, and I quote, "telling me to prove this world without presupposition", which he explains is like "me asking you to prove this world without science"). He's cornered me good.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

By the way guys, I've come up with an argument no one can refute. The universe is evidence of the universe. YOUR MOVE, THEISTS.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Well put

by Anonymous 12 years ago

I've only seen the word tauntological used two times, and both have been in the last ten minutes, on the amirite homepage.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Aren't archaeologists discovering ruins in the middle east that support some stories in the Bible?

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The stories itself are not what I'm talking about here. While some of the actual history in it maybe accurate, the bridge between the book's origin being ignorant and barbaric desert nomads & being divinely inspired hasn't been gapped

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Because you're trying to prove/disprove something supernatural by natural means, per the scientific method. Of course the universe is observable and evidence of itself. The Bible's divinity is a faith issue, not something that can be concluded by observation. Science will never prove nor disprove God by means of a scientific method so quit trying to persuade people to adopt your worldview by attempting to demean a community of believers.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

The post doesn't mention science, my worldview, or whether I think science can actually disprove the existence of a god, nor am I attempting to persuade people into adopting a different worldview. This post clearly is only addressed to people who follow this line of reasoning to prove the bible's divinity, of which the actual point I explicitly state in the last sentence to be a tautology. Everything else projected by you to serve the purpose of this post is entirely false.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

You're right it doesn't but anyone with common sense realizes the point you're trying to make and can assume basic princples of your worldview based on your lack of faith in regards to the Bible's divinity. I could also draw assumptions based on your post stating, "Your move, theists." Would there be alternative ways to prove something by means unrelated to a scientific method? Also, to respond to your follow up comment.. Yes, the universe exists and it is the universe, but that says nothing about its divine origin.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

You're absolutely right, anonymous. Anyone with common sense DOES realize my point. However, it wasn't addressed to //those// people, but to Jack3305 and anyone else who doesn't. __**Ways**__ __**to**__ __**prove**__ __**things**__ Observation, induction, deduction, inference, logic, mathematics (Ex: measuring), the scientific method (but apparently that doesn't count) aaaaaaaaaand that's all that currently comes to mind. __**Ways**__ __**not**__ __**to**__ __**prove**__ __**things**__ The Bible, assertion, the five senses, "feeling" something is true, bad logic ("grr, I'm logic's evil twin." -bad logic a.k.a. fallacies), telling someone to prove a negative and when they can't claim that it's true aaaaaaaaaand that's all that currently comes to mind. Hope that helps

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Lol if you read what I said, the scientific method can't prove the divinity of anything. I strongly recommend the scientific method for proving something that is natural to be true. But there is simply no scientific way to prove something that is supernatural. Just a matter of faith. In fact, I could argue that it is a matter of wisdom. While you come across as someone with a wealth of knowledge, I'm not seeing much wisdom. For the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Back to the initial reason for my posting.. I assume your post is to try to prove something to people who believe in the Bible as God's living word, or get upvotes from other secular people who read big words and lean toward agreeing with an intelligent mind. Either way, your attempt is futile. Upvotes don't make a statement true, and anyone with faith will not be shaken on a matter that can't be proven or disproven by science.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

:/ Sorry man, but your assumptions that this whole entire post was "to try to prove something to people who believe in the Bible as God's living word" or "get upvotes from other secular people who read big words and lean toward agreeing with an intelligent mind" just aren't correct. This post literally had only one single purpose designed for a very limited audience (namely, people that use the aforementioned tautological reasoning to prove the Bible's divinity). So if you //don't// subscribe to this kind of reasoning, which evidently you don't, the post is //not// meant for you, anyone else, or for //any// other purpose.

by Anonymous 12 years ago

Sorry for looking too deep into it, trying to read in between the lines. I apologize for my incorrect assumptions. In that case for what you just said, I would say you're correct in saying tauntological reasoning is not a valid way to prove the Bible's divinity- as I hope I've made that clear from earlier posts (supernatural vs natural). Still, challenging the divinity of the Bible is a risky thing to do. I hope you find the Truth you're looking for. Have a good day

by Anonymous 12 years ago

It's okay

by Anonymous 12 years ago