If a friend tells me that I should not be allowed to get married due to my sexuality or race or religion, it's justifiable that I slap him or her across the face if he or she doesn't listen to reason. amirite?
He said, "I'm done."
Then he texted me later saying that I was being intolerant of his religious beliefs. So I told him to go fuck himself and that we aren't friends.
"I was being intolerant of his religious beliefs" Jesus fucking Christ, I hate hearing that stupid line from people when you're discussing literally ANYTHING
Anyway, I think you slapped him because of the heat of the moment. You're angry right now but when you look back you'll probably wish you would've handed that a bit differently? Or maybe not? Who knows. In this world it's pretty much impossible to escape the stupidity and close-mindedness of people.
"You shouldn't get married because you're gay."
"What? Why?"
"It goes against my religious beliefs."
"That's stupid. Who are you to say who should get married or not?"
"It goes against my religious beliefs."
"You're serious?"
"Yeah."
"Seriously?"
"Yeah! I mean you're the only gay person I know who's 'eh'!" Slap
EDIT: By the way, by "eh" he meant that's the level of tolerance I was to him. As in he tolerated me that much.
Against my religion, against my religion, against my religion......
Just about every single anti-gay "argument" I've ever heard is just one sentence repeated over and over. I find it annoying how the idiots saying that crap actually think they're making a point.
I'm still not sure you should have slapped him based on the post, but if he really is a horrible person then maybe he did deserve it. It's hard to know without being there and knowing the guy.
I really could tell you the whole story on him if you really wanted to know, but I don't think it really matters to you that much so you can have your own opinion on the matter.
Yeah I really don't care that much about what happened. I'll just say I understand your point of view and its definitely possible he deserved it. I'll rescind my vote.
He's a shitty person but you're kind of an idiot for hitting him. Like that changes anything, or makes anything better. You'll have absolutely no chance of changing his mind now.
I can understand why you might have done it in the heat of the moment, if someone insulted me like that I might have done the same. But I don't think it was justifiable to hit him, because there was nothing to be gained from it. It's never really ok to try to punish someone for their views with physical violence, no matter how disgusting those views are.
I don't remember traveling to the topic. We just got onto it. "I knew he was stupid, but not that stupid," is what my friend said, which I think makes sense here.
I am catholic and do not necessarily agree with homosexuality. However, what you do or who you marry does not affect me, therefore I would agree with you. It is perfectly possible to disagree and still respect at the same time.
Very immature.
Someone saying that is completely different than someone actually killing or enslaving.
I have the right to think that blacks should be enslaved. (I obviously don't think that, it's just a point.)
If you resort to physical violence to handle a conversational dispute, you are obviously immature and incapable of debating.
Yeah, that's how this country works. (assuming you live in America, btw) We're allowed to vote on what we want how we want. He's entitled to vote based on how he feels and so are you. No infringement of rights there.
If he thinks that it's okay that I am forbidden to marriage with another man, then he can feel a little sting of the pain I feel from being oppressed by society.
I see where you're coming from. I just think that everyone's entitled to their own opinion. It's not a perfect system. Everyone's 'oppressed' in some way. Life isn't fair, that's just how it is.
Life isn't fair because we make it unfair, that's the thing. Everyone just accepts that life is unfair and well that's it oh well too bad. That's not the case.
We can change that fairness really easily if everyone just fucking listened to each other.
Haha I disagree with you there. Life's always gonna be unfair. It's just the way it is.
How could we make life be completely and utterly fair? It's just not possible. And opportunity-wise, I think America's the most fair and accommodating to everyone.
In what way is life just automatically unfair? Even if it is, that doesn't mean we can't make it fairer. There is a lot of bitching going on about life being unfair and then nobody does anything about it.
I'm not bitching about anything, to be clear.
But it's just the way it is, there's no answer to that. As a stupid example, because I can't think of another one on the spot, say you get paired up with someone you hate for some school project. Just little things like that, someone would be like 'omgggg why!' Because not everything's gonna work out perfectly for you all the time. You know? This is probably so unclear and not making my point, but that's all right.
I'm just trying to say that people have the right to feel the way they do. And a lot of comments here are saying stuff like, 'I hate when someone's only excuse for being against gay marriage because of religion.' That's a big factor in a lot of people's lives. And as much as people say it's not, America is a religious country. Why do you think every president and every coin and dollar we have say stuff like, "in God we trust," and "God bless America." And there's nothing wrong with that. Religion is a good thing. And not all religious people are 'closed-minded' as you seem to think. So you shouldn't be so quick to judge.
Why does everyone on this site say just Christianity? As if it's the only religion against gay marriage and abortion and all that. Because I'm pretty sure there are some religions that you'd be stoned for being gay.
But really, marriage isn't a secular thing. It's a religious sacrament. I was talking about it with my dad and he said that there are benefits to being married, such as tax deductions or something like that, so that's why it's such an important issue. But in all honesty, I feel that there shouldn't be any economic benefits to being married. It's a sacrament, not a secular thing. And, on this website especially, I know I'm gonna get shitted on for my opinion, so. I've accepted the fact that I'm so outnumbered.
Yes, we are allowed to vote on what we want, but we are not allowed to vote on the rights of another human being. I think that's part of the 14th Amendment? I'm not sure...
Basically, if majority got to vote on the rights of the minority then the majority could oppress the minority.
That's not how voting works in this country, majority rules the minority. The bicameral legislature makes it pretty fair to both majority and minority.
That is how voting works in this country.
Do you remember learning about how segregation ended? It wasn't by majority vote. Why? Because the majority would have voted to suppress the minority. That's the exact same reason we shouldn't vote on gay marriage.
Actually, I do.
Don't hold a vote. Let me marry my girlfriend and let all the other gay people marry their significant others too. That's what we did when people wanted to marry people of a different race than them. It worked then and it will work now.
This isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of human rights. Not allowing gay people to get married is not religious expression, it's religious OPPRESSION.
What!? Seriously? Adonis I love just about everything you say and do on this site but that's just unreasonable. You are saying 'Physical violence is the only resort when I have a difference of opinions with someone' outrageous. His views alone would have ended my friendship with him if I was in your shoes, but logically if he got on here and said 'if my friend tells me he should have the right to marry anyone regardless of my religion it's justifiable that I slap him across the face if he won't listen to reason.' he should get just as many upvotes as you. The posts homosexual debate content is irrelevant, the debate is whether to slap someone for disagreeing with you, and if you agree with this post you are saying that your 'friend' was just as much justified if he'd slapped you at the end of the conversation instead. I feel like you pulled on a heart string on Amirite with the gay rights basis because most people wouldnt 'YYA' a post that says 'I am justified slapping someone who disagrees with me, and who many would say is being irrational Amirite?' I am not appalled or surprised that in the tension of the moment you slapped him, I'm surprised how many think it was right to do.
There's a degree of disagreement to where it's reasonable.
It's stupid to slap someone for not liking your favorite band, but I think it's reasonable to slap someone for downright disbelieving in equality between races, sexuality, or sex. Because they're holding society back and being stupid, and deserve some sort of punishment for it.
That punishment Should have been your friendship. I don't think any one individual can judge when some one is being so unreasonable they should have physical damage inflicted on them.
It's not just an opinion anymore. It's denying my rights, as in he'd vote against me getting married were he given the chance. And that's not acceptable in the least.
Do you believe that it is a right? Or do you feel entitled to it? No HUMAN can encroach on your rights, it happens at a systemic level. Whether it be religion or government. He may voice a dissenting opinion, but he is powerless to stop you.
It's really REALLY sad that people actually down voted that violence is never justified...what the hell has the world come to? No person has the right to harm another any anyway unless it is self-defense.
...oh and this is coming from a Muslim btw. Shame on all those hypocrites who say that what Muslims terrorists are doing is bad when they themselves condone inflicting physical harm upon another in different situation. Utter bullshit.
Well if you read carefully dumbass, you would realize that that's not the comment I'm making. I'm commenting on the fact that people think that ANY form of violence is justified is just really sad.
I'm not trying to make a direct comparison between those two acts, I'm just saying that in one situation people say violence is bad, yet in another they say it's totally okay and justified. I think it's hypocritical and that in general, no one had the right to make the decision to harm another human being. (unless it's self-defense).
Sorry for calling you a dumbass, that was really uncalled for. I just got pissed off at your sarcasm and that you were misinterpreting my point.
Inspiration: This happened to me 15 minutes ago.
did you slap him across the face?
I did. It felt good. My friend agreed, because she doesn't like him.
That's pretty fucking awesome. How did he react?
He said, "I'm done."
Then he texted me later saying that I was being intolerant of his religious beliefs. So I told him to go fuck himself and that we aren't friends.
"I was being intolerant of his religious beliefs" Jesus fucking Christ, I hate hearing that stupid line from people when you're discussing literally ANYTHING
Anyway, I think you slapped him because of the heat of the moment. You're angry right now but when you look back you'll probably wish you would've handed that a bit differently? Or maybe not? Who knows. In this world it's pretty much impossible to escape the stupidity and close-mindedness of people.
Honestly I have no regrets of doing it. He really is a terrible person, not just because he's against gay marriage. That was just the final straw.
Damn. Well, he got what was coming to him. Sometimes jerks do need a good slappin' I suppose.
"You shouldn't get married because you're gay."
"What? Why?"
"It goes against my religious beliefs."
"That's stupid. Who are you to say who should get married or not?"
"It goes against my religious beliefs."
"You're serious?"
"Yeah."
"Seriously?"
"Yeah! I mean you're the only gay person I know who's 'eh'!"
Slap
EDIT: By the way, by "eh" he meant that's the level of tolerance I was to him. As in he tolerated me that much.
Against my religion, against my religion, against my religion......
Just about every single anti-gay "argument" I've ever heard is just one sentence repeated over and over. I find it annoying how the idiots saying that crap actually think they're making a point.
"It goes against my religious beliefs"
I never understood that argument. If you aren't the person getting married why the hell do you care?
I think that his stance on gay marrige is stupid, but you only provided one argument as well so you can't blame him for not listening to reason.
That was my interaction with him. My friends put in some reason as well. Didn't work, obviously.
I'm still not sure you should have slapped him based on the post, but if he really is a horrible person then maybe he did deserve it. It's hard to know without being there and knowing the guy.
I really could tell you the whole story on him if you really wanted to know, but I don't think it really matters to you that much so you can have your own opinion on the matter.
Yeah I really don't care that much about what happened. I'll just say I understand your point of view and its definitely possible he deserved it. I'll rescind my vote.
Fair play. People say violence isn't the answer but some people really need a good slap.
Urinating on them would've been my choice
As much as I'd love to show everyone my expertise in watersports...
He's a shitty person but you're kind of an idiot for hitting him. Like that changes anything, or makes anything better. You'll have absolutely no chance of changing his mind now.
If you knew him like I do, you'd know that nobody would change his opinion anyhow. He is incredibly stubborn and self-centered.
He was done for from the start.
I can understand why you might have done it in the heat of the moment, if someone insulted me like that I might have done the same. But I don't think it was justifiable to hit him, because there was nothing to be gained from it. It's never really ok to try to punish someone for their views with physical violence, no matter how disgusting those views are.
I think it is. If you're against equality in any way, you ought to be slapped. That's what I believe, personally.
Honestly, that was the first time I ever hit anyone for being homophobic. It was worth it.
I think they deserve to be slapped, I don't think anyone should actually slap them. Might doesn't make right and it all just sets a nasty precedent.
Tbh, that doesn't really sound like a friend to me...
Which is precisely why you declare your unfriendship directly after you slap them.
Smart cookie!
Why were you talking to this guy about a touchy subject if you knew he was an idiot in the first place?
I don't remember traveling to the topic. We just got onto it. "I knew he was stupid, but not that stupid," is what my friend said, which I think makes sense here.
Oh. Well I guess that makes more sense then.
I am catholic and do not necessarily agree with homosexuality. However, what you do or who you marry does not affect me, therefore I would agree with you. It is perfectly possible to disagree and still respect at the same time.
Why the fuck would u care?
Because as a catholic I'm supposed to believe that gay marriage "takes away our rights" when I don't believe it does
Resorting to physical violence because someone disagrees with you is immature.
"Hey you're black you should work in the cotton fields for me."
"Hey you're Jewish I think you should be burned to death."
Immature to hit them then? Okay.
Very immature.
Someone saying that is completely different than someone actually killing or enslaving.
I have the right to think that blacks should be enslaved. (I obviously don't think that, it's just a point.)
If you resort to physical violence to handle a conversational dispute, you are obviously immature and incapable of debating.
no. just no...
I liked your logic.
Why would you be okay with violence and domestic disturbance but be no homo all on somebody? Fuckin grow the fuck up
But it's just something he believes. What's wrong with that?
It infringes on my rights to a gay marriage. He would go to the polls and vote against it if he could.
Yeah, that's how this country works. (assuming you live in America, btw) We're allowed to vote on what we want how we want. He's entitled to vote based on how he feels and so are you. No infringement of rights there.
That doesn't mean it's just.
If he thinks that it's okay that I am forbidden to marriage with another man, then he can feel a little sting of the pain I feel from being oppressed by society.
I see where you're coming from. I just think that everyone's entitled to their own opinion. It's not a perfect system. Everyone's 'oppressed' in some way. Life isn't fair, that's just how it is.
Life isn't fair because we make it unfair, that's the thing. Everyone just accepts that life is unfair and well that's it oh well too bad. That's not the case.
We can change that fairness really easily if everyone just fucking listened to each other.
Haha I disagree with you there. Life's always gonna be unfair. It's just the way it is.
How could we make life be completely and utterly fair? It's just not possible. And opportunity-wise, I think America's the most fair and accommodating to everyone.
In what way is life just automatically unfair? Even if it is, that doesn't mean we can't make it fairer. There is a lot of bitching going on about life being unfair and then nobody does anything about it.
I'm not bitching about anything, to be clear.
But it's just the way it is, there's no answer to that. As a stupid example, because I can't think of another one on the spot, say you get paired up with someone you hate for some school project. Just little things like that, someone would be like 'omgggg why!' Because not everything's gonna work out perfectly for you all the time. You know? This is probably so unclear and not making my point, but that's all right.
I'm just trying to say that people have the right to feel the way they do. And a lot of comments here are saying stuff like, 'I hate when someone's only excuse for being against gay marriage because of religion.' That's a big factor in a lot of people's lives. And as much as people say it's not, America is a religious country. Why do you think every president and every coin and dollar we have say stuff like, "in God we trust," and "God bless America." And there's nothing wrong with that. Religion is a good thing. And not all religious people are 'closed-minded' as you seem to think. So you shouldn't be so quick to judge.
Why does everyone on this site say just Christianity? As if it's the only religion against gay marriage and abortion and all that. Because I'm pretty sure there are some religions that you'd be stoned for being gay.
But really, marriage isn't a secular thing. It's a religious sacrament. I was talking about it with my dad and he said that there are benefits to being married, such as tax deductions or something like that, so that's why it's such an important issue. But in all honesty, I feel that there shouldn't be any economic benefits to being married. It's a sacrament, not a secular thing. And, on this website especially, I know I'm gonna get shitted on for my opinion, so. I've accepted the fact that I'm so outnumbered.
I think that's the way it should be. The government shouldn't be involved in a lot of things that it is.
Yes, we are allowed to vote on what we want, but we are not allowed to vote on the rights of another human being. I think that's part of the 14th Amendment? I'm not sure...
Basically, if majority got to vote on the rights of the minority then the majority could oppress the minority.
That's not how voting works in this country, majority rules the minority. The bicameral legislature makes it pretty fair to both majority and minority.
That is how voting works in this country.
Do you remember learning about how segregation ended? It wasn't by majority vote. Why? Because the majority would have voted to suppress the minority. That's the exact same reason we shouldn't vote on gay marriage.
Then how should we handle it? It seems like you have the perfect plan in mind.
Actually, I do.
Don't hold a vote. Let me marry my girlfriend and let all the other gay people marry their significant others too. That's what we did when people wanted to marry people of a different race than them. It worked then and it will work now.
No, no, no, no, no.
This isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of human rights. Not allowing gay people to get married is not religious expression, it's religious OPPRESSION.
What!? Seriously? Adonis I love just about everything you say and do on this site but that's just unreasonable. You are saying 'Physical violence is the only resort when I have a difference of opinions with someone' outrageous. His views alone would have ended my friendship with him if I was in your shoes, but logically if he got on here and said 'if my friend tells me he should have the right to marry anyone regardless of my religion it's justifiable that I slap him across the face if he won't listen to reason.' he should get just as many upvotes as you. The posts homosexual debate content is irrelevant, the debate is whether to slap someone for disagreeing with you, and if you agree with this post you are saying that your 'friend' was just as much justified if he'd slapped you at the end of the conversation instead. I feel like you pulled on a heart string on Amirite with the gay rights basis because most people wouldnt 'YYA' a post that says 'I am justified slapping someone who disagrees with me, and who many would say is being irrational Amirite?' I am not appalled or surprised that in the tension of the moment you slapped him, I'm surprised how many think it was right to do.
There's a degree of disagreement to where it's reasonable.
It's stupid to slap someone for not liking your favorite band, but I think it's reasonable to slap someone for downright disbelieving in equality between races, sexuality, or sex. Because they're holding society back and being stupid, and deserve some sort of punishment for it.
That punishment Should have been your friendship. I don't think any one individual can judge when some one is being so unreasonable they should have physical damage inflicted on them.
When is violence justified? You resort to hurting another human being just because of a difference in opinion?
It's not just an opinion anymore. It's denying my rights, as in he'd vote against me getting married were he given the chance. And that's not acceptable in the least.
Do you believe that it is a right? Or do you feel entitled to it? No HUMAN can encroach on your rights, it happens at a systemic level. Whether it be religion or government. He may voice a dissenting opinion, but he is powerless to stop you.
I am powerless to stop a whole government if I want to get married and I'm forbidden to do so due to the laws.
If you can't reason with anyone, violence is inevitable.
What about his right to not get slapped in the face? :/
It's really REALLY sad that people actually down voted that violence is never justified...what the hell has the world come to? No person has the right to harm another any anyway unless it is self-defense.
...oh and this is coming from a Muslim btw. Shame on all those hypocrites who say that what Muslims terrorists are doing is bad when they themselves condone inflicting physical harm upon another in different situation. Utter bullshit.
Well if you read carefully dumbass, you would realize that that's not the comment I'm making. I'm commenting on the fact that people think that ANY form of violence is justified is just really sad.
I'm not trying to make a direct comparison between those two acts, I'm just saying that in one situation people say violence is bad, yet in another they say it's totally okay and justified. I think it's hypocritical and that in general, no one had the right to make the decision to harm another human being. (unless it's self-defense).
Sorry for calling you a dumbass, that was really uncalled for. I just got pissed off at your sarcasm and that you were misinterpreting my point.