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It's funny how the only thing preventing world peace is the one species that wants to achieve it, amirite?

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No, if you'd count that then there would never be world peace because animals can't live without killing one another. A world without murder isn't peaceful, it's empty.

It's natural for animals to kill and eat one another and defend themselves, but what humans do isn't natural at all and it's brutal and inutile.

Nacklefoodles avatar Nacklefoodle Yeah You Are +16Reply
@Nacklefoodle No, if you'd count that then there would never be world peace because animals can't live without killing one...

Someday (far in the future) we can learn to grow meat the way we grow skin in a lab, and learn to mass produce it so animals don't have to die for us to eat

@Watchful_questioneer Someday (far in the future) we can learn to grow meat the way we grow skin in a lab, and learn to mass produce it...

I read in an article (can't find the link, sorry) that by 2030 all meat products are expected to be replaced with an artificial meat substitute!

rowannes avatar rowanne Yeah You Are +1Reply
@Watchful_questioneer I hope it's actually grown out of cells, at least.

I really wish I could find the source to be sure but I think they said it was made out of wheat and some other stuff. So similar to tofu, really. Not just grown in a lab somewhere I don't think.

rowannes avatar rowanne Yeah You Are 0Reply
@rowanne I read in an article (can't find the link, sorry) that by 2030 all meat products are expected to be replaced with...

That seems highly unrealistic. You can't believe everything you read.

...I'm going to try to find this article.

@SkylarOctavious That seems highly unrealistic. You can't believe everything you read. ...I'm going to try to find this article.

Please do! Just to let you know though, the article wasn't focused on that one thing specifically- it was about science-related predictions for the future.

Edit: I just had a poke around and found a really similar article here- it doesn't give specifics but it's the same general thing I was talking about. (Bottom of first page) http://www.popularmechanics.com...next-110-years

rowannes avatar rowanne Yeah You Are 0Reply
@Nacklefoodle No, if you'd count that then there would never be world peace because animals can't live without killing one...

Why the double standard? Humans only natural predator is human (except a few microbes that we are good at suppressing, for the most part.)

Your words: "A world without murder isn't peaceful, it's empty."

I still like your post!

VicZincs avatar VicZinc Yeah You Are +1Reply
@VicZinc Why the double standard? Humans only natural predator is human (except a few microbes that we are good at...

Genocide and wars and robberies and abuse of all kinds, destruction of ecosystems, destruction of species just for their home lands to use, all those arent quite the same as a lion catching an antelope. Their murder is at least justified, but for humans it's just arrogance and unfair claims of the planet

A class of kindergarteners can fight occasionally and play together and still be at peace, but if an 8th grader comes in and stabs half of them and then uses the rest as chairs for himself, that's not peace anymore.

Nacklefoodles avatar Nacklefoodle Yeah You Are +18Reply

Aren't we also the only species that would have any use for it? Other animals require nothing but the ability to keep peace within their own groups and their neighboring territories. What does a zebra in Africa care about how a coyote in America is behaving?

@MrRite Aren't we also the only species that would have any use for it? Other animals require nothing but the ability to...

Exactly, the only species to care about it at all is the species preventing it. The others not only do not give a shit, but they'd achieve it easily on their own.

Nacklefoodles avatar Nacklefoodle Yeah You Are +5Reply
@Nacklefoodle Exactly, the only species to care about it at all is the species preventing it. The others not only do not give a...

I'd have to disagree with you there. You know how much fighting there is amongst their own groups for power, mates, territory or the like? Now expand each group''s radius of potential threats and conquests by a million.... Yeah, I don't see a lot of peace there

@MrRite I'd have to disagree with you there. You know how much fighting there is amongst their own groups for power, mates...

Why? Why would species expand their radius and start making conquests? Didn you just say zebras and coyotes don't give a shit about each other?

Nacklefoodles avatar Nacklefoodle Yeah You Are +2Reply
@Nacklefoodle Why? Why would species expand their radius and start making conquests? Didn you just say zebras and coyotes don't...

Yes, but you said that animals would be able to achieve world peace easily had they tried, unless I misunderstood. Basically what I'm saying is give animals the means to roam all the earth and they'd go crazy fighting and killing over pride, territory, perceived threats etc.

@MrRite Yes, but you said that animals would be able to achieve world peace easily had they tried, unless I misunderstood...

But that's the point, leave out all humans and they will have the earth to themselves again and won't be bothered any longer, ad will keep living minding their own business in their own private places like the smart modest creatures they are, what's the point of going across the ocean to kill a million of your own kind? Humans are the only ones who can't sit still, the others are fine with each having their own little piece of land, that's why they're so peaceful

Nacklefoodles avatar Nacklefoodle Yeah You Are +3Reply
@Nacklefoodle But that's the point, leave out all humans and they will have the earth to themselves again and won't be...

All this talk makes me think of the book Zoo by James patterson. It's about animals of all sorts making planned attacks. I haven't read it but it seems interesting.

I was wondering why I was getting all these new notifications on this post, I wasn't even notified this got POTD wary smilie

Nacklefoodles avatar Nacklefoodle Yeah You Are +6Reply

Fun fact: There are two species in the world who have wars. Humans and ants. So in a way, ants prevent world peace, too.

You have to also consider that humans created the whole aspect of world peace and all of the little debates and arguments about it.

I think a lot of people hold humans above nature in the sense that we're responsible for maintaining and caring for it. Perhaps our superior intelligence has gone to our heads. I think we're equal with nature and that everything we do is some form of natural process of the constant evolution of the Earth and other species that inhabit it. It's easy to think that we're responsible for it all because we hold ourselves at such a high level of importance. But at the end of the day, all it takes is a flood or tornado to put us back in our places and remind us that we're not the biggest or strongest.

Great thought provoking post and congrats on POTD!

StickCavemans avatar StickCaveman Yeah You Are +3Reply

World peace is an unattainable goal, and if people are preventing it, it means that not everyone wants it.

World peace simply means the removal of feuding between groups of a sapient species. It's a problem with ourselves we're trying to fix. I NW'd the same way I'd NW a post about how it's funny the only thing keeping [human-specific bacterium/virus/parasite] from extinction is the species that wants to eradicate it.

@B10ckH34d World peace simply means the removal of feuding between groups of a sapient species. It's a problem with ourselves...

"It's a problem with ourselves we're trying to fix"
The post is, "It's funny how the only thing preventing world piece is the one species that wants to achieve it".
I don't get why you NWed when you posted the exact reason why someone would YYA it

@B10ckH34d Because it's not funny. It's perfectly reasonable.

I SEE NOW! Haha, way to go for reading super carefully.
Now I'm NWing as well

Sewcdfs avatar Sewcdf No Way +1Reply

I think it would largely depend on your definition of peace, but in short I agree that humans cause much more conflict than any other species and that prevents peace around the world from happening.

Yeah because there was no killing before humans. No hunting, no predators, no carnivores. Every animal was a passifistic vegan.

@runnerdude Peace. Around the world. No?

Like I said above, a world without killing is a world without animals. A kindergarten class that occasionally fights but leaves the class in order and plays together sometimes is peaceful, a random 8th grader coming in and stabbing half of them and then torturing the other half while shitting everywhere and breaking all the windows turns it into an un-peaceful environment.

Nacklefoodles avatar Nacklefoodle Yeah You Are +1Reply
@Nacklefoodle Like I said above, a world without killing is a world without animals. A kindergarten class that occasionally...

Well then you're getting objective. Who's to say how much violence is too much? And it only disturbs the peace when a stronger force attacks a weaker?
what about a lion that massacres a herd of gazelle?

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