I'm LDS (oh shit everyone - the crazies are out...) and I don't believe one bit that it is my business, or anyone else's business to tell anyone who they can and cannot marry. I believe that all people, whether they be average Joe's, religious leaders, or world leaders should have the same rights as long as they're willing to work hard in life. I believe that even religious leaders (LDS included) can make mistakes and misinterpret God's teachings. I'm pretty positive that God said multiple times in the Bible that only he is allowed to judge his people, so therefore I am going to stay the hell out of it and try my best to love everyone and be a good person. I believe anyone can be a good person if they really try, regardless of their opinions, sexual orientation, social status, or mental/physical abnormalities.
I don't look at gay people as something to hate, I look at it as this is their "test" so to speak and that they have to do the best they can. I personally have nothing against gay people and they can do whatever they want for all I care, however Im not alright with the homosexual acts, but it doesn't matter what I think because it's none of my business.
I also believe that God doesn't give you more then you can handle, which means that gay people are stronger then straight people because they have to deal with assholes like myself!
Absolutely. I don't agree with homosexuality in itself, but that's because of my beliefs. Me telling other people they can't marry because of what I believe is forcing my religion on others, and that's not what I'm called to do as a Christian
Dude, Len, Shut up. Not everyone believes the same thing, and not everyone believes the bible word for word. Stop shoving your religion down everyone's throats.
The Bible is a written observation from a collection of old perspectives. Seeing one interpretation of the scripture as the only possible interpretation is closed-minded, and I don't think saying one group of people's thoughts is superior to another group's is fair.
Besides, who's to say that people don't intentionally seek out references to affirm their own beliefs against homosexuality?
At the end of time God will judge everyone based on the life he or she lived. I think that quote is basically saying that no one else has the right to judge or to "get revenge" on someone because only God has that right.
however,
vengeful is defined as: seeking to harm someone in return for a perceived injury.
God doesn't seek to harm.
I'm sorry. this is a terrible rebuttal but I have an issue going on and I can't seem to come up with something convincing right now.
Nope, because the more I get to know God the more I'm able to tell what is frfom Him and what isn't. My job isn't exactly to get everything right but to grow closer to Him and have a personal relationship with Him
.____. I'm CONFIDENT but I'm not SECURE. And there are a lot of things in the Bible that are very difficult to swallow but I still believe
And. That is different because God knows what's best for us all the time, trust is a large part fo faith
Because I tend to give shorter answers when typing on mobile since it's harder to type.
And as for a reason? I don't have one. As I've been saying, trust in God is the most important thing in faith. And so, no, I don't know why God seems to drag people through bad times. But I do know he has a reason for it.
Vereses can be interperted many different ways:
Matthew 10:34-37 MSG
"Don't think I've come to make life cozy. I've come to cut—make a sharp knife-cut between son and father, daughter and mother, bride and mother-in-law—cut through these cozy domestic arrangements and free you for God. Well-meaning family members can be your worst enemies. If you prefer father or mother over me, you don't deserve me. If you prefer son or daughter over me, you don't deserve me.
-Matthew 10:34 The Message
I feel like you're taking a lot of quotes from the bible out of context. In the last quote you wrote, God's practically saying the great commandment. Love God above all things, with your heart, soul and mind.
I went to a catholic school and they had these retreats every year. And I went on one, and these people were talking about faith and all that stuff. And they asked us who we think we should base our foundation on. Almost everyone said the usual, you know, family, friends. But then they said what happens when family and friends are gone? What happens when your mom/dad is no longer here to take care of you, etc? You have to base your foundation on God because God will always be there. And that's why God is saying "if you prefer father or mother over me, you don't deserve me." Because that is part of our belief. To love God with everything we have.
I'm certainly not saying that's easy and I'm sure that you won't be suddenly convinced by this message but it seems to me that you have some disdain for God and/or the church. Just know that God isn't as hateful as you may believe.
I have no solution for the children starving and suffering. But I would like to say that the church is the biggest advocate for the suffering. Again, I went to a catholic school. And my school was constantly collecting money for the poor and buying presents for less fortunate children for christmas and donating clothes and food and visiting poor areas near us. I can't tell you why God lets some suffer and others prosper but I trust his purpose. A little thing called the leap of faith. I realize it isn't so easy to make the leap but it's a great feeling when you do.
Also, it always seems to be an argument against God that he causes violence. But I don't think God incites violence. Jesus said, 'love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.'
It is the fault of humans that there has been so much violence surrounding religion for so long.
Anyway, I truly disagree with you. I have thought about it a lot and I can't seem to put myself in your (and other people that think the way you do) mindset. I feel like you and I see the world so differently that sometimes it's hard for me to understand how we both exist. That doesn't make sense. But it's crazy to me.
You are a complete hypocrite. "All powerful being who obviously could help them but decides not to". But do you not have money to give? An able body to work and help people with? What do you do with it though? Complain on the Internet. But because you like quotes so much, I'll give you my favorite: "sometimes I want to ask G-d why He allows poverty, famine, and injustice in the world when He could do something about it, but I'm afraid He might just ask me the same question."
What the speaker is saying is that it is shallow and hypocritical of us to think that because G-d doesn't give everybody perfect lives, He is bad. Especially when we think so highly of ourselves all the while neglecting the fact that we, too, can help those people. I'm Jewish but I'm not extremely religious. Yet I understand that G-d is like a parent. When you screw up or you suffer or you go through a TERRIBLE time in your life, you can ask your parent for advice but they won't have a magical solution. He can't step in every time something bad happens. And yes, it's awful what happens to people out there but I don't see how you can blame G-d when there is something you could do but aren't doing.
Giving charities is nice and all but I can guarantee you go through your day not giving 2 shots about those kids until you have an opportunity to brag about it. It's not real charity if you do it for bragging rights. G-d cares but he cannot just but into the affairs of humans every 20 minutes. He wants us to be self-sufficient. He cannot just poof down and hand out food to every person. When you pray for something: G-d doesn't give it to you. He gives you an opportunity to get it yourself. Why would he send them to hell? Just because some pussy on the Internet thinks he knows everything doesn't mean you actually do. You have no reason to believe they go to hell. You just say it so you can come across as an even bigger douche than you actually are.
"Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in heaven."
That's one of my favorite quotes.
Also, I read the context of the Matthew quote, and if you spend an extra minute to read all of chapter 10, I think you'll better understand the message.
To me that line sounds like God wants His followers to be self-reliant. It's not God's job to bring peace to people, but He wants to give them the courage or will power to defend themselves. If God really wanted to directly inflict harm, He'd just smite people at his own whim, but He gives us the choice of righteousness in the name of conviction.
Not that I'm Christian or have read the Bible. I just think you could see more than you are seeing.
I'm LDS (oh shit everyone - the crazies are out...) and I don't believe one bit that it is my business, or anyone else's business to tell anyone who they can and cannot marry. I believe that all people, whether they be average Joe's, religious leaders, or world leaders should have the same rights as long as they're willing to work hard in life. I believe that even religious leaders (LDS included) can make mistakes and misinterpret God's teachings. I'm pretty positive that God said multiple times in the Bible that only he is allowed to judge his people, so therefore I am going to stay the hell out of it and try my best to love everyone and be a good person. I believe anyone can be a good person if they really try, regardless of their opinions, sexual orientation, social status, or mental/physical abnormalities.
Love and loyalty bitches.
The bible doesn't condemn homosexuality because that is something that can't be controlled but rather it condemns the act itself.
I love that spin religious people like to use to justify their hate
I don't look at gay people as something to hate, I look at it as this is their "test" so to speak and that they have to do the best they can. I personally have nothing against gay people and they can do whatever they want for all I care, however Im not alright with the homosexual acts, but it doesn't matter what I think because it's none of my business.
I also believe that God doesn't give you more then you can handle, which means that gay people are stronger then straight people because they have to deal with assholes like myself!
you're not a rectum hole
HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT?
I don't really care.
Absolutely. I don't agree with homosexuality in itself, but that's because of my beliefs. Me telling other people they can't marry because of what I believe is forcing my religion on others, and that's not what I'm called to do as a Christian
I'm curious as to why that person down voted your comment
Dude, Len, Shut up. Not everyone believes the same thing, and not everyone believes the bible word for word. Stop shoving your religion down everyone's throats.
I want to stop getting notifications for this post, but I really want to see how this argument ends.
I don't think its morally wrong either
Not everyone sees God the same way you may see him. Maybe he's more open and less vengeful than the institution of religion would like you to believe.
The Bible is a written observation from a collection of old perspectives. Seeing one interpretation of the scripture as the only possible interpretation is closed-minded, and I don't think saying one group of people's thoughts is superior to another group's is fair.
Besides, who's to say that people don't intentionally seek out references to affirm their own beliefs against homosexuality?
God isn't vengeful
At the end of time God will judge everyone based on the life he or she lived. I think that quote is basically saying that no one else has the right to judge or to "get revenge" on someone because only God has that right.
however,
vengeful is defined as: seeking to harm someone in return for a perceived injury.
God doesn't seek to harm.
I'm sorry. this is a terrible rebuttal but I have an issue going on and I can't seem to come up with something convincing right now.
I'm not a fundamentalist though. The Bible wasn't written by God so yes there can be mistakes or discrepencies
Nope, because the more I get to know God the more I'm able to tell what is frfom Him and what isn't. My job isn't exactly to get everything right but to grow closer to Him and have a personal relationship with Him
I admit I may be wrong about things, and so may they
.____. I'm CONFIDENT but I'm not SECURE. And there are a lot of things in the Bible that are very difficult to swallow but I still believe
And. That is different because God knows what's best for us all the time, trust is a large part fo faith
You seem uber confident too....way to be a hypocritical
Because I tend to give shorter answers when typing on mobile since it's harder to type.
And as for a reason? I don't have one. As I've been saying, trust in God is the most important thing in faith. And so, no, I don't know why God seems to drag people through bad times. But I do know he has a reason for it.
Being a Christian means I know I don't have all the answers, but trust that God does.
I'm a Christian because God saved me from a lot of stuff
Vereses can be interperted many different ways:
Matthew 10:34-37 MSG
"Don't think I've come to make life cozy. I've come to cut—make a sharp knife-cut between son and father, daughter and mother, bride and mother-in-law—cut through these cozy domestic arrangements and free you for God. Well-meaning family members can be your worst enemies. If you prefer father or mother over me, you don't deserve me. If you prefer son or daughter over me, you don't deserve me.
-Matthew 10:34 The Message
I feel like you're taking a lot of quotes from the bible out of context. In the last quote you wrote, God's practically saying the great commandment. Love God above all things, with your heart, soul and mind.
I went to a catholic school and they had these retreats every year. And I went on one, and these people were talking about faith and all that stuff. And they asked us who we think we should base our foundation on. Almost everyone said the usual, you know, family, friends. But then they said what happens when family and friends are gone? What happens when your mom/dad is no longer here to take care of you, etc? You have to base your foundation on God because God will always be there. And that's why God is saying "if you prefer father or mother over me, you don't deserve me." Because that is part of our belief. To love God with everything we have.
I'm certainly not saying that's easy and I'm sure that you won't be suddenly convinced by this message but it seems to me that you have some disdain for God and/or the church. Just know that God isn't as hateful as you may believe.
I have no solution for the children starving and suffering. But I would like to say that the church is the biggest advocate for the suffering. Again, I went to a catholic school. And my school was constantly collecting money for the poor and buying presents for less fortunate children for christmas and donating clothes and food and visiting poor areas near us. I can't tell you why God lets some suffer and others prosper but I trust his purpose. A little thing called the leap of faith. I realize it isn't so easy to make the leap but it's a great feeling when you do.
Also, it always seems to be an argument against God that he causes violence. But I don't think God incites violence. Jesus said, 'love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.'
It is the fault of humans that there has been so much violence surrounding religion for so long.
Anyway, I truly disagree with you. I have thought about it a lot and I can't seem to put myself in your (and other people that think the way you do) mindset. I feel like you and I see the world so differently that sometimes it's hard for me to understand how we both exist. That doesn't make sense. But it's crazy to me.
You are a complete hypocrite. "All powerful being who obviously could help them but decides not to". But do you not have money to give? An able body to work and help people with? What do you do with it though? Complain on the Internet. But because you like quotes so much, I'll give you my favorite: "sometimes I want to ask G-d why He allows poverty, famine, and injustice in the world when He could do something about it, but I'm afraid He might just ask me the same question."
What the speaker is saying is that it is shallow and hypocritical of us to think that because G-d doesn't give everybody perfect lives, He is bad. Especially when we think so highly of ourselves all the while neglecting the fact that we, too, can help those people. I'm Jewish but I'm not extremely religious. Yet I understand that G-d is like a parent. When you screw up or you suffer or you go through a TERRIBLE time in your life, you can ask your parent for advice but they won't have a magical solution. He can't step in every time something bad happens. And yes, it's awful what happens to people out there but I don't see how you can blame G-d when there is something you could do but aren't doing.
woah woah woah
where did you get that last part from?
no human being is able to judge where another human being is going to end up in the afterlife
we don't have access to all the life experiences, intentions, all those little things about a person, and so many other factors
I acknowledge that you said probably
but still
that was shocking
being a thief is not a guarantee ticket to Hell
and last time I checked
people before the age of puberty are sinless
meaning they don't incur sin
the sinless don't go to Hell Len
they don't
I'll give you a link to explore:
http://www.onislam.net/english/home.html
you can bet on it
Giving charities is nice and all but I can guarantee you go through your day not giving 2 shots about those kids until you have an opportunity to brag about it. It's not real charity if you do it for bragging rights. G-d cares but he cannot just but into the affairs of humans every 20 minutes. He wants us to be self-sufficient. He cannot just poof down and hand out food to every person. When you pray for something: G-d doesn't give it to you. He gives you an opportunity to get it yourself. Why would he send them to hell? Just because some pussy on the Internet thinks he knows everything doesn't mean you actually do. You have no reason to believe they go to hell. You just say it so you can come across as an even bigger douche than you actually are.
"Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in heaven."
That's one of my favorite quotes.
Also, I read the context of the Matthew quote, and if you spend an extra minute to read all of chapter 10, I think you'll better understand the message.
Quite deceptive.
To me that line sounds like God wants His followers to be self-reliant. It's not God's job to bring peace to people, but He wants to give them the courage or will power to defend themselves. If God really wanted to directly inflict harm, He'd just smite people at his own whim, but He gives us the choice of righteousness in the name of conviction.
Not that I'm Christian or have read the Bible. I just think you could see more than you are seeing.