And please don't tell me how gross the picture is. It is just a picture of the real thing. Over a million a year......................

by Anonymous 11 years ago

If unwanted (forced) taxation is a theft, then so is wanted (unforced) tithing.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

You are really reaching! How many atheists know what tithing even is? You sure enjoy playing with religion and religious themes.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

What I don't get is a newly created human is the product of two people. If the pregnancy was unplanned or unwanted by one of the parents, why should the other be forced to financially support the child.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

BTW: I'm really not sure. I can't say either way, why it's a problem or not. I'd say my initial comment really has to take into consideration the circumstance of how the pregnancy occurred, then a proper judgment can be made as to who is going to raise the child. e.g. One could look at it that since it's the equal responsibility of both, naturally both partners should care for the child - not so much like a consequence but that's what happens when the sperm and egg meet. They both had sex knowing that there's a possibility of pregnancy, especially if they both consented to unprotected sex and didn't use other forms of birth control. It's not like the woman collected sperm unwittingly to the man and forced it up her vagina (I hope). It's pretty sad and maybe pathetic to think about a parent disowning their own offspring.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

The difference is that the charge for a forced abortion is not murder> Therefore, it cannot be considered murder. It is merely infringing upon the rights of the woman.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

This thread is taking on a LIFE of its own! Since it now has a hearbeat, limbs, and can feel - I vote that we abort immediately! Nothing like ending a life in progress.

by Anonymous 11 years ago

exactly can't have it both ways it's unethical

by Anonymous 10 years ago

If forcing a woman to have sex is rape, than all sex is rape? What are you talking about? This isn't logic, it is equivocation.

by Anonymous 10 years ago

that's a bad comparison because it doesn't take into account a 3rd entity also the mother is not the one being terminated if she was the one being terminated (suicide) versus against her will (murder) then, you could make that comparison that you did if the mother terminates or a stranger terminates against her will an entity was terminated either way the termination has to be called one thing or else it's inconsistent

by Anonymous 10 years ago

Holding down a person and shaving their head is assault, therefore all haircuts are assaults. What is this "entity" you are referring to? Now you are begging the question!

by Anonymous 10 years ago

the entity is the fetus since technically, she is not a baby yet, I call her an entity or fetus (because we were all female at one point) your haircut example has the same issue as the rape comparison it doesn't include the 3rd entity (the fetus)

by Anonymous 10 years ago

No. You cannot assume a fetus is a person and then say therefore it is a person. The question is "is that tissue and entity". I can say my hair is a "entity". You are begging the question. The very question is "is it an entity?" Calling it one doesn't make it one.

by Anonymous 10 years ago

anything that can be called "it" is an entity but your hair doesn't grow to separate from you __and__ become another "you" at least not in nature and I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that a fetus is being terminated during in abortion no matter who sanctions it there's no way around that

by Anonymous 10 years ago

Are you saying my hair is not being terminated? Are you saying that because a fetus has the potential to grow into a person it will always grow into a person? I think most people would agree that the "//**__pregnancy__**//" is being terminated. The question is: "is the fetus being terminated." Again you are begging the question by assert that the fetus is being terminated.

by Anonymous 10 years ago

hair will never (in nature) become another human a fetus can grow and be born it happens all the time

by Anonymous 10 years ago

It does happen sometimes. Some scientist believe that as many as 1/2 of all pregnancies end in miscarriage, often within hours of fertilization. So the statistic "all the time" seems a stretch. But that still does not make a fetus a person. Nor does it make an elective abortion a murder. However a forced abortion is a crime. Is it a murder? I don't know, is it a crime, most likely. The image on this post refers to the aborted fetus as a "citizen". Calling it a citizen does not make it a citizen.

by Anonymous 10 years ago

it does happen all the time half of them ending in miscarriage doesn't change that and even if it did still a significantly higher chance than your hair does

by Anonymous 10 years ago

also the severity of the crime or whether it is murder may depend on the age of the fetus

by Anonymous 10 years ago

Indeed it may. It may depend on a lot of things. In fact in the USA, as of now, it is clearly not a crime for a woman to electively abort her fetus within certain time limits. This is definitionally a "fact". Therefor OP is incorrect from a statutory perspective (and you, for agreeing with him are also wrong from that perspective.) If you define murder as a legal term OP is wrong. However the legal status is not equal to the moral status. If you define murder in some other way than the debate changes. If you want to define "all the time" as having a meaning other than ALL = EVERY and TIME = INSTANCE then I guess that is also another discussion. If by "all the time" you mean "often" than I agree it does happen often, as long as certain biological processes complete and the woman does not choose to abort then a new and separate person will emerge from her body. But to argue that the fetus has personhood prior to the mother deciding it does is to beg the question. Which is basically, can a woman choose to want her fetus to be "a person" or "not a person." Is that her choice?

by Anonymous 10 years ago

it ends up being her choice for the abortion but it's not her choice to decide when a fetus reaches baby status that's why abortion becomes illegal when fetus reaches a certain age on another note with the invention of plan b abortion should become nearly obsolete

by Anonymous 10 years ago

I get what you are saying Pregnant|Choice|Baby ===================== No........|No.....|No Yes.......|NotTry|No Yes.......|Try.....|Maybe It is not her choice to //have// a baby but it her choice to //**try** letting it grow in her//. It is also her choice not to try. And the age of the fetus is arbitrary by law and from my moral perspective makes not difference. It is a legal issue not a moral one. and I doubt plan b will eliminate abortions and I still don't get why anyone except the pregnant woman needs to be involved in the decision.

by Anonymous 10 years ago

I said nearly obsolete

by Anonymous 10 years ago

On your last statement - the whole issue has been politicized like so many others. If we were allowed to resolve our own issues without governmental intervention, then things would look much different in society. But THE PEOPLE seem to have an incessant need to run to PAPA GOV to solve and resolve every whim they face. I don't get why the government is now regularly involved in pregnancies, gender, and our sex lives and education - but they obviously see a great need and compulsion to do so. The idea that "daddy knows best" is the begging question and stretch.

by Anonymous 10 years ago