Well yeah. Even if/when equality is achieved, it should still be supported
That's what I always say. You gotta make sure you don't lose what you fought so hard for
What feminism fought hard for was braking down necessary gender roles that kept family's together.
Feminism will be necessary until we can recognize men and women as equals. Unfortunately a lot of people misunderstand feminism and find themselves opposed to it.
Just look at the lovely slaves I mean women of the arab world. And just look right here as girls are kept from playing football unless they strip down and join the underwear league
Rape every 6 seconds
The acceptance of male promiscuity but rejection of female
Unequal representation in the government
Every 6 seconds is still too much
And on top of that, most rapes still go unreported
Just because it's better than the past doesn't mean the problem is gone
Patriarchy is still rampant where you're constantly told by religious and non religious that you gotta be obedient to your husband, you gotta submit, etc he's the head of the household, be submissive to him
And females are conditioned and socialized to stay away from leadership roles. Meaning significantly fewer women in government leading to a very small voice in government
Although more women work than ever, there's still a disproportion in that housework tends to fall more heavily on women even though she's working outside too
And then working moms are shamed. Apparently you're bad mom and neglecting your children because childrearing falls more on women again
And then if she's a stay at home mom, she's shamed as lazy.
a guy who stays home is shamed because it's "feminine" to do so. So apparently anything society deems feminine is beneath men, which is harmful to them too because they can't show emotion and repression/suppression is harmful
Your personal experiences don't represent the general population
All of what you said are personal anecdotes or simply you saying "that doesn't happen"
Exactly, stereotypes that people intentionally or subconsciously agree to and apply to their lives
Actually, I'm protesting against them as can be seen by my post and comments
Of course not everyone agrees. Not everyone thinks feminism is necessary. That's why we're talking about it to present our position
I got it from buzzfeed
Rainn says it's every 107 seconds and others say every minute, which is still pretty frequent
The different numbers could be that they're getting their numbers from different locations and/or samples
Just because other crimes occur frequently doesn't mean rape isn't still an issue of a power struggle
Regardless, the decrease is not enough. U.S. Prisons are overstuffed and having to build more. Much worse in this department than any other developed country
And as I said before, other crimes being too much doesn't mean rape isn't a power struggle as a result of misogyny. And most of all, I'm not focusing on other crimes. I'm focusing on misogyny based crimes
Rape victims are mostly women, though
And it's almost always about power
I'm not saying it's only that, but it's a big factor
Also, women in power roles are a very small minority
School teacher is with children
Any adult has power over children
Most professors, police officers, CEOs, government leadership is filled by men
Most managers are also men
But again, still in the minority
A few women in power roles doesn't change that the majority of power roles are taken by men
And yes, children are raped, but we're talking about women in power roles. Being teacher or not, an adult would have power regardless
Being a teacher of children doesn't battle against misogyny
Children have less power than adults. Having authority over them is normal since always
And once again, I didn't say all rapes happen to women or because of misogyny
But most do happen that way
I'm not assuming
I'm basing this off stats that take into account that things go unreported
1 out of 6 women are raped (attempted included)
1 out of 33 men are raped (attempted included)
And the fact that it's mostly against women should clue someone in
And it's asinine to assume that since what you're saying is an assumption in itself
You're the one who assumes most rapists are misanthropic. Then why don't more of them rape men that are less physically strong than them
They view women as objects to be controlled
Add on catcalling (men do that way more)
And people being way more concerned with women's clothing even asking rape victims what they were wearing
Many is still an assumption
And the dangers years were between 12 and 34
And 34 is nowhere near child
And yes 44% percent are under 18 but a whopping 80 percent are under 30. So another 36 percent is with adults
Anyways, what you're saying is further proves misogyny
The fact that they target women because it's easier shows just how much they view women as inferior
A weaker man would be easier, too
And there are women that are stronger than men
But these guys use date rape drugs
Even stronger guys use date rape drugs
To take down a strong woman
Why don't they use that on other men
Because they wanna overpower
Why? Most likely misogyny
Because they view women as inferior
Even though there are just as weak men
They attacking women more
If it really was misanthropic, it would be spread out much more evenly
And again, I never said misogyny is the only reason
Yeah, I stand by that
I'm sure there is a variety, but as I've pointed out why I think it's one of the main trains is misogyny. As long as that is a factor, it's one of the many reasons feminism is necessary
If you want to call it a good night, then by all means go ahead. No one's stopping you. Good night, but if you have more say, don't expect me to not reply
It's obvious that there's disagreement. If you don't see the point in continuing, then simply don't continue
How is feminism going to change rape?
id say humanism is whats important their shouldn't be an emphasis on equality for one group of people if any movement should exist it should be for everyone and it shouldnt be about forced equality it should be about respect and kindness. making everyone be treated exactly the same is foolish each person has specific needs and disires that wont be met by making everyones conditions the same thats Marxism and as nice as that fantasy is it doesnt work. fairness isnt always about equality its about understanding peoples needs and fulfilling them on an individual basis. wanting any group to be treated like any other group usually involves dismissing the needs and uniqueness of the people in that group a big example is pregnancy in this case if women where treated the exact same in regards to it as men they wouldnt get time off. i guess what im saying is we dont need to have equal systems we need systems that best suit the personal problems and unique experiences of our genders. demanding exact equality for sexes is as absurd as putting urinals in womens bathrooms. if we want to make life better for women we need to Taylor the improvements to them not focus on equality. trust me when i say an irrational need for balance can drive you to madness and make progress impossible ive been there wanting perfect equality in all things but that simply cannot be embracing differences is the key to a better life.
It's better for organization
Different groups for different goals
The way school is divided up into subjects
If it's not divided up, certain subjects and groups would be even more neglected because it's too much to focus on with everything lumped together
i disagree. 1)human respect is the goal for all people
1.2) ive yet to see a mens right activist be treated with respect by feminists and that seems an unfair playing field.
2)schools used to make all classes intersect at various points showing the connections between the fields. separation never created fuller understanding weather thats in a classroom or in social politics
3)where is the proof for that.
4)that doesnt address my core disagreement of fairness vs equality.
I see it (today's feminism movement) as a disorganized group of people who don't have a consistent view of what feminism really is. Some will tell you that feminism fights for equal rights for men and women. Some will try to guilt trip you for not considering yourself a feminist. Some will tell you that feminism is fighting exclusively for women's rights. Some (the few extremists) will ridicule & disregard any man's opinion on any issue. This is what initially turns me off from feminism. That, and the extremists have already stuck a bad rep with the term anyway.
So my thought is if you want to fight for some sort of cause, why focus so much on the label or organization that's fighting for it? I no longer consider myself a Libertarian. I do agree with the concept of it but I noticed that the term 'Libertarian' started to become associated with the extremists who made it look bad. So to keep from distracting from my arguments, I rid myself of the label.
For most problems feminism is fighting today, these are problems that a lot of individuals simply need to toughen up and solve themselves. Like women not wanting to shave. Or women who want to get out and work rather than do housework. Or men who want to stay at home to help out. At some point you gotta put your foot down and stand up for yourself. To wait for a group to get society to accept things so that you can finally do them without ridicule is very inefficient. The solution is to just do those things and deal with the ridicule; become a stronger person.
In other cases though, I do see a reasonable case for feminism. Like when there's something in a form of legislature that is creating an unfair disadvantage towards women. This is when you need an organized group to come in and help. Fighting for women outside of America who don't have any kind of freedom is also something that an organized group can better conquer than an individual.
But ultimately, for me to fully agree with modern day feminism, I'm going to need to see some consistency within the members of the group itself.
There's never consistency in any group. It's just that some are more consistent than others
I remember you saying Libertarian is the only label you'd use for yourself. Looks like that's gone, too
Labels change because words change. All we can do is adapt to them.
There are male feminists
Note to members: he instantly goes to what's desirable for males
Feminists have destroyed what is Feminist.
Not all of them. Hey I remember you!!!!! Nice to see you here on the superior site
I don't need feminism because I'm not a manipulative idiot playing victim.