+49 Pro-choice is not synonymous with pro-abortion, amirite?

by Anonymous 8 years ago

And anyone who opposes abortion but supports the death penalty is "anti-choice" - not "pro-life".

by Anonymous 8 years ago

Well played!

by Anonymous 8 years ago

No one is a winner in the abortion game.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

Nor in war, yet we've been their for over 15 years. Sad that so many ignore the obvious parallel.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

the obvious parallel?

by Anonymous 8 years ago

To "pro-lifers" it should be obvious. To the "anti-choicers" Phil mentioned, it may not be as obvious.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

I'm pro-life and I don't see a parallel between abortion and war.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

the invasions kill innocent mothers and kids, abortion kills innocent kids. both destroy a family

by Anonymous 8 years ago

I could say the same about car accidents.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

car accidents are called "accidents" for a reason, war is NOT an accident, killing familes is not an accident. apples to oranges

by Anonymous 8 years ago

Your whole description of some alleged parallel centered around various people dying. The 'parallel' has nothing at all to do with abortion. I think we're both pro-life SH - no need for argument. You stepped into a discussion at an inconvenient point.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

Do you support the death penalty?

by Anonymous 8 years ago

Not for innocent unborn children. As much as I would like to see some adult criminals fry for their mis-deeds - they rarely do. It ends up costing the community zillions, - it's just not worth it. Toss 'em in the slammer for the rest of their days. But wait - this wasn't the topic. Oh, yeah, you wanted to derail it.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

It's probably worth noting that many inmates on death row have been exonerated; e.g. "innocent." And it isn't off topic, this was the entire point of the poster's comment... the one I responded to and for which you responded to me.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

It might be worth noting that not a single aborted child was ever 'exonerated' - despite them never having been guilty of anything in the first place. Do you like marshmallows?

by Anonymous 8 years ago

Nor are the countless civilians killed in preemptive, not defensive, wars of aggression, yet so many self-described "pro-lifers" consider the price worthy so they can feel safer, or whatever other rationale they convince themselves justifiable. Not at all unlike the choice to have an abortion. That's the point the above poster was making. It's hypocritical and disingenuous to label oneself "pro-life" in the face of various positions that kill.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

The nature of war is to kill people and break things. That's why we try to avoid it. There is nothing remotely similar between war and abortion. But, suppose we turn the tables on you. I assume you are anti war but pro abortion. By your logic - you are a hypocrite - Amirite?

by Anonymous 8 years ago

We avoid wars? That's knee-slapping hilarious. Of course it's similar; in both cases death of others is //selectively// chosen to protect self. It's exactly the same, but especially in the context of preemptive, rather than defensive, war. I'm pro-self-ownership. Our body is under the exclusive control of ourselves, we've the right to defend that same body. Notice my emphasis on //defense// rather than preemptive aggression... Course, I also don't support govt. standing in between a person and their doctor, limited govt. intervention, ya know?

by Anonymous 8 years ago

Well, how about this Fork - You pay for //your// abortions, and I'll pay for mine.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

That's the funny thing about self-ownership, you can do what you wish with self, but self must provide for it too. How about those who wish to have an abortion pay for their abortions and those who wish to launch preemptive wars of aggression also pay for that themselves. I'm truly content being left alone, there's no one I wish to kill. The rest of the world seems to have that one covered.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

The war thing is already that way. The abortion thing is not. PS - Individuals typically don't declare war. Nations do. You sound like you need a deserted island to live on, isolated from everything. Until you find your way there, you are subject to the society laws where you live. Sucks to be you!

by Anonymous 8 years ago

That's funny, our $600B defense budget says otherwise. It's also worth noting that troops are paid through appropriations. Govts are composed of individuals Budwick. My justly acquired property would do. Subject, eh? Sounds like I don't need and island, sounds like you need go back to Britain.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

How does a defense budget indicate anything different than those who wish to launch preemptive wars of aggression also pay for that themselves? Not familiar with the language Fork? Being subject to laws is perfectly normal statement in the US.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

I see you don't know much about our history either. The "Department of Defense" (the National Military Establishment) used to be more appropriately titled: "The Department of War." Oh, I know the importance of language. Your language betrays your so-called conservative label and sounds more like the language of a collectivist than an individualist.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

Fork - you have dragged abortion out into terrain totally disassociated with the topic. I suppose so you can attack me or others on topics of your choice rather than the one at hand. I'm done with you here, but I'll tell you what - You pick a topic, //any// topic you want. Put it up for discussion. Send me a message to let me know (in case I miss the post) and I'll gladly hand you your ass on your own turf! Fair enough?

by Anonymous 8 years ago

Too funny that you accuse me of attacking you when you're the one always responding to my comments to other people with insults. If you so dislike conversing with me, stop responding to my posts with purposefully dim statements expecting I won't reply back. You hand me my own ass on my own turf. You try and fail at that all the time Budwick. The most notable one being your attempt to reassign meaning to Jeb Bush's words. lol That's all you ever do, attempt to mind read, reassign meanings and when that fails, you scurry away. Meh, lots of ponies perform that trick online.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

Abortion is murder.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

Bombing cities and villages where civilians sleep, women and children, is also murder. Being a tad more selective about who lives and dies is still far removed from being "pro-life."

by Anonymous 8 years ago

The bombing you mention occurs during war. I've explained the concept of war to you before - "kill people, break things". That's what war is. Only a fool or a liar believes the fact that countries go to war could justify murdering unborn children. There is a complete logical disconnect. Which are you? Fool? Or liar?

by Anonymous 8 years ago

You played purposefully dim to a very basic concept, that isn't the same as explaining a concept. lol And your false dichotomy's weak.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

The stench of falsehood is coming from your attempted comparison or war and abortion. Maybe you've simply become accustomed to the foul odor of deceit. Have a "Merry Winter Solstice"

by Anonymous 8 years ago

Nah, I just don't cherry-pick the application of basic principles.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

Agreed. To me, "pro-choice" simply means "pro-self-ownership."

by Anonymous 8 years ago

Pro-choice is agreeing to the notion that women have the right to make their own decisions. However the decisions themselves, (to abort or to keep), might not be something that you agree with.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

Exactly. It's the free will stance of pro-choice that is one of the main differences than supporting abortion. Like I've said before, pro-choice is assuming more of a neutral position as it doesn't necessarily always guarantee support or opposition, rather that the choice is not theirs.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

and no pro life person would argue you there! however, when it comes to another human life aka the baby in the womb, that BABY IS HER BODY! NOT HER CHOICE! it is murder!

by Anonymous 8 years ago

How do you suppose the baby would vote? Yo0u know, .... if anyone bothered to ask.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

I do not agree with abortion for the purpose of birth control.. however the law of the land deems it legal, there for it becomes the choice of the person getting the abortion and becomes none of my business.. I don't have to like it. but! again it is none of my business as long as the law makes it legal,, I don't have to like the law either.. but that changes nothing..

by Anonymous 8 years ago

if people used your logic historically, blacks would still be slaves, aboriginals would only exist in history books, and so would jews btw. just because it is lawful doesn't make it right, and doesn;t make it any less our business!

by Anonymous 8 years ago

It isn't hard to understand. that all that BS you mention has nothing to do with abortion.. and wat happened 100 years ago has no bearing laws of today.. don't like the freaking law get It changed...but again as long as it is legal,, you have to abide by it.. Nuff Sad.. stop throwing in BS that ha no relevance....

by Anonymous 8 years ago

wow your a special kind of stupid. it isn't all that hard to understand that all the worst evils where lawfully done {just like abortion}. and laws that aren;t right do not have to be followed.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

you don't like the law ,change it..Talk about stupid..no one forces any one to get an abortion..Dumb ass.. Your kind want to force your way on everyone.. don't like the law get the hell of the country.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

yes it is. if you think a woman should have a right to murder her baby, that by definition makes you pro abortion! you cannot claim to be pro-choice and be against abortion. if you are against abortion then you know it is murder, and if you still are pro choice even knowing that it is murder then you are part of the problem

by Anonymous 8 years ago

Pro-choice is saying that women have the right to choose what they want to do with the pre-born. It can be used in several different situations simultaneously, not just abortion; you could be pro-choice for anything, simply because you believe that others can do what they want -- and that does not mean that you think it's right, just that it doesn't concern you and your own decisions. I agree when you say that you can be against abortion and be pro-choice at the same time; however, its more of a neutral stance by not pitching in other thoughts aside from the woman's right to choose.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

pro choice could be used to say what farmers did with their slaves, what Hitler did with jews, what the USA government did with aboriginals. that's why pro choice people are part of the problem. people should not have the right to control or murder other humans including humans still in the womb! I support people doing what they want, so long as it doesn;t end the life of other humans! thats when I have a problem, and abortion ends a human life. aka MURDER! saying that it is a woman's right to choose to murder a baby is like saying it was a farmers right to choose to own a slave.

by Anonymous 8 years ago

and you are full of B.. who in the hell are you to say what is legal and you probably don't definition of Murder.. you cannot murder something that has yet to be born.... Take your argument up with the government and the laws of the land...

by Anonymous 8 years ago

What someone else chooses to do that is legal is none of my frigging business.. when it affects me and mine, it is my business...

by Anonymous 8 years ago

I am sure happy people didn't think like you back when Hitler was killing people. remember it was LEGAL for him to do as he did. legal does not equate to right. and if you do not stand up for others do not expect others to stand up for you when it does affect you

by Anonymous 8 years ago

you people and your lame comparisons.. News Flash.. ABORTION IS LEGAL therefore none of your friggin business, nor mine... And it was not legal for Hitler to be killing people,, that is one of the reason for the war againsdt him.. DUH!!!!!Don't like that law,, get it changed.. until you do again it is none of your friggin business..

by Anonymous 8 years ago

slavery was legal when slavery in america was happening, jew genocide was legal when hitler was doing it. americans killing aboriginals was LEGAL when it was happening. YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID! just because it is lawful doesn;t make it right, and any LESS our business! YES IT FRICKEN WAS legal for HITLER to do what he did. he made it legal in the countries he controlled to do so. reason why we stopped him was BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH LEGAL WAS VERY WRONG! sheep like you is why we can;t change the law to protect HUMAN babies!

by Anonymous 8 years ago

Again you are full of crap.. No one in the world ever said what Hitler did was legal... are you that much of an Idiot??

by Anonymous 8 years ago

Pro-choice means: Pro-life, Pro-abortion (and not as in HAVE AN ABORTION NOW, but more of, "We support your decision to have an abortion"), and Pro-family. The opposite of Pro-choice is Anti-choice.

by Anonymous 8 years ago