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It used to be "blame the European immigrants. They're taking our jobs." Now it's "blame the Mexicans and the Muslims." Always gotta find a scapegoat. Don't ever learn letting history repeat itself. Amirite?

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I was taught. "work on me first"
[Same as the prescription "Physician heal thyself"]

Whenever there is a concern
the first thing to ask is:
"how can I change",
"what can I do differently to make this situation better."

When we simply ask "what can I change"
we miss the opportunity to grow,
instead we ask
"how can I change -
how can I grow and
be better than I am now".

When we want others to change we become stagnant,
we miss the opportunity to grow,
we fail to achieve the great height of which we are capable

When we wonder "what can be different"
we ask only a hypothetical, but
when we ask:
"how can I be different,
how can I see this from a better angle,
what can I do to improve myself"
then and only then can we
move beyond the difficulty and
make room for others to follow our lead,
let others learn from our experience and
help others ascend to the greatness we will surely attain

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@2359612

How does one "take" a job? I mean yeah, you apply, get hired and the job is yours but you don't just swoop in and push somebody out of the job they have and take it from them.

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@2359884

I still don't understand why everyone is so uptight about the downvotes. It's not like there's a comment score or that it hides your comment if the score is negative. If I disagree with a comment to a certain degree, I'm going to downvote it. Don't take it personally.

Those foreigners didn't take those jobs. They came in, offered a better deal, and earned the job. It's called competition. If you want to blame anyone, blame the people who gave them the jobs. Which honestly, I don't see much point in that either.

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@2360017

Perhaps there could be a happy medium. You don't have to make big money to live comfortably. Look at us Americans. The average home is a 3 bed 1.5 bath. The average home owns a car or two for each person. Those are just a few examples of how much excess the average American owns. Then they sit around wondering why they're in debt. Then they wonder why even though they went to college, they can't get that fancy white collar job that a thousand other have a degree for. Okay, I'm getting off subject. Where do the immigrants come into play? Well they're living in shitty conditions in their home coutry and America simply has better opportunities. While the Americans stick their noses up at doing hot and dirty farm work, the migrant workers are happy to step in. At this point we'd be in some serious shit if we didn't have immigrants.

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@2360122

So we refuse to live for meager wages and we refuse to do "lowly" jobs like farm work. How are the immigrants who are willing to do those things at fault?

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@2360339

Well yes and no. Now that the trucking industry has me making what more money than I've ever made in my life thus far, I have told myself I'll never work for less than $20/hr or around $40,000/yr. The goal is $40k or higher. BUT it's just that, a financial goal to keep me aspiring to bigger and better things. I also have a relatively large selection of jobs for which I qualify.

Now what if the economy collapses? What if the trucking industry is taken over by trains and I'm thrown out in the dirt? Just for the sake of this argument, let's assume I had no interest in learning to drive a train (which is completely false). Or what if America becomes ridden with war and disease? In other words, I lose my job and can't simply bounce back into a $40k position. Will I lower the wage I'm willing to work for? Damn straight. It's survival. A tiny amount of food is better than no food. Living in a tent is better than no shelter at all. Being alive (in most cases) is better than being dead. This reminds me that I've actually signed a pledge pertaining to this sort of thing. Mike Rowe's "Sweat Pledge":

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It's no doubt that it hurt you to have someone come in, undercut your prices, and force you to quit the game. I'd be sore about it too and I'm sorry for your loss. But that's how life goes sometimes. The foreigners saw an opportunity for a better life for themselves and they took it, even if it was a poor quality life style in your perspective. In the end, their motivation overpowered your motivation.

I don't know how you're living now. I assume you never settled to live in squalor or eat cheap food so I also assume you made it through okay. Are you happy where you are in your life now? Because if you are, then maybe it was a good thing they ran you out of the business don't you think?

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@2360017

You care a little too much about DVs because you always bring it up. Don't get belligerent at him for addressing it when you brought it up. It's not his problem because he's not the one sweating over it

And looking at the rest of your comment, you have trouble with sympathy. You're angry people
are stealing jobs. You're angry at these people for taking lower wages who live in squalor? What?

And your biggest concern is "no way I'm gonna sink to that level" ono smilie

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@2359612

Sure something is causing the trouble, so it has to be the new factors nobody wanted to start with.

@2359612

European liberals' blindness:

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It's always easier to blame "outsiders", than to see any flaw in yourself.

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@2359901

European's history is full or murder and cruelty, being our own doing or other's doing - I know that. But I don't see how does that changed what I said. Many people will blame everything they can on immigrants (reasonable or not), being Europe, US, or any other country with immigrants. I've seen people complain about immigrants saying stuff as "They should go back to their countries. They're ruining our country", and I asked at least one person why, and the answer was on the terms of "They're not Portuguese. They don't belong here". And the way they were ruining our country? Because they were black. That was the reason this person was against immigrants. I've seen other responses that left me as astonished as this one.

Whatever reasons you have to not approve of immigration, that's with you - what I'm talking is related to xenophobia that I have seen (real life and in the internet).

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@2359915

Now or before, I'm saying it doesn't change anything of what I said.

The people who don't accept the rules, they barely exist in my country. We don't have a problem with immigration. No one is stealing jobs, they are not destroying the country - so people who are against it is normally based on racism or xenophobia. There is a lot of immigrants in Lisbon, for example: the only people I see complaining over them is about how they look and that they don't speak perfect Portuguese.

About ISIS: I see the news, and for the way people talk, you would think all the terrorist are all immigrants. The media is actually going as far as implying "We need to close our borders. It's not longer safe", and when I actually looked it up, I discovered some of the terrorist attacks come from locals. Why are they not talking about that? Because they obviously are not going out of their way to say, "this terrorist attack related to ISIS has damaged our country deeply and was done by our own citizens." No. They just say ISIS, terrorist, Muslims, immigrants, and that translates to "all Muslims immigrants are terrorists and evil". They don't say "We already have a problem between our own people" - No, they say "the problem is coming from outside. We just need better security in the borders, and we are going to be safe". ISIS is a big problem, no doubt, and we should have better security in our borders, and making people believe terrorist are all immigrants is going to blow on our faces sooner or later.

I maintain my words. People are quicker to blame "outsiders" than to see any flaw in themselves. I see that happen way too many times to say differently.

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Edit: "ISIS is a big problem, no doubt, and we should have better security in our borders, and making people believe terrorist are all immigrants is going to blow on our faces sooner or later. "

I don't understand why you're still responding as if I said we don't need better security or that ISIS isn't a problem. You completely missed my point.

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@2360385

I think it's best if we just agree on disagree.

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@Sofia It's always easier to blame "outsiders", than to see any flaw in yourself.

True it's easier

It's better to take the path less travelled even if its harder

Reason: for the good of the world

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@2362747

Yeah, that's bad. But it doesn't change my point of what I have seen in my country.

Sofias avatar Sofia Yeah You Are 0Reply

I don't look for scapegoats.

Mashas avatar Masha Yeah You Are +2Reply

Every wave of migration creates stresses on the system and stresses on the social fabric, that's why governments are usually selective about who they let in and how many. It's one thing to have a limited wave of educated, skilled people with a similar cultural foundation - that still creates stresses, as history has clearly shown - but there is substantial benefit too, and the stresses subside over time.

Allowing a wave of uneducated, backward, unskilled people with a cultural foundation that opposes everything your society values, creates strains on the system and on society that last for generations if they ever go away.

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@2362759

It's probably flagged as spam if all you do is post a link. Best to summarize the link when you post it.

StickCavemans avatar StickCaveman Yeah You Are +1Reply

Well that's odd. An entire discussion has disappeared from this thread.

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@fuzala Platy deleted his original comment Call me Nancy Drew

Shame. I did a lot of typing from my phone in that. I could do office work from my phone at this point.

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@2362372

Guess you've never heard of an Irish car bomb. :P

StickCavemans avatar StickCaveman Yeah You Are +2Reply

Nobody's taking anyone's job. It's just trash complaining about no money eating from the dollar menu at Mcdonalds doing nothing.

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