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Companies are purely motivated by money, yet don't want employees purely motivated by money. amirite?
by Anonymous2 years ago
Like how they claim we're part of the "XYZ Company Family," then not bat an eye when they make the business decision to layoff the entire department.
by Anonymous2 years ago
I laid some people off from my family. They were costing too much in time, resources, and stress.
by Anonymous2 years ago
I was a family man, doing family things.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Just know that someone got this BoJack reference haha
by Anonymous2 years ago
I love bojack but don't get the reference. Where was it from?
by Anonymous2 years ago
BoJack
by Anonymous2 years ago
I'm pretty sure this was a Donald Trump reference. I don't recall a anything like this from Bojack but maybe I'm wrong
by Anonymous2 years ago
Did you try progressive discipline starting with verbal warnings, followed by written warnings, personal improvement plans before firing their asses? Could have saved you on unemployment.
by Anonymous2 years ago
nope. just cut them off. They actually owed me money so I didnt have to pay jack.
by Anonymous2 years ago
"Congratulations you're hired. Remember, we don't want people who are just here for the money!".
"Sorry we have to let you go. We're a business. We need to make money."
by Anonymous2 years ago
As someone who was apart of the Best Buy layoffs, I feel that emotionally
by Anonymous2 years ago
I was going to crack a joke on account of "apart", bit I feel a hug is more appropriate.
I've been there, it sucks, but as the OP says, it's a good life lesson.
by Anonymous2 years ago
I mean, to be honest even though I'm back in the job hunt I'm much happier. It was a company that's going downhill fast. More positive mental outlook
by Anonymous2 years ago
What did they call you guys at BB? Team?
My current employer calls us a "village." My past employer called us "partners" 😑
by Anonymous2 years ago
And then give the executives millions of dollars in salary and bonuses while saying the layoffs are to mitigate financial losses
by Anonymous2 years ago
Late stage capitalism for you.
by Anonymous2 years ago
We're a family that abandons some of its members when it gets too hard to support them.
by Anonymous2 years ago
I just want to work a livable wage and do what I do well, but every company wants me to keep rising through ranks and then turn into a people manager. Just let me a do a great job and enjoy my weekends off. Please.
by Anonymous2 years ago
When they try and force you into a management position start talking about an equity incentive for taking the position..see if they back off. I've had upper management come at me with the sentiment of "Well we don't really have anyone else to manage this so you're it.". Sorry I decline..there are no company battlefield promotions.
by Anonymous2 years ago
What's an equity incentive?
by Anonymous2 years ago
Meana ownership stake in the company which the management or owners rarely want to give out. If they said yes it could be a big win for everyone.
by Anonymous2 years ago
and make you *actually* have an incentive to work hard to help the company, instead of just being an alienated wage worker.
by Anonymous2 years ago
No, no, the "incentive to work harder" thing only applies to CEOs who already have enough money in the bank to comfortably last ten lifetimes, for some reason.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Stock options, often with restricted share units with time vested requirements. Retention strategy that is a big benefit but not directly cash for the company I.e. bang for its buck as a bonus
by Anonymous2 years ago
It's the fanciest phrase I've ever heard for a raise.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Could be stock options
by Anonymous2 years ago
If that's what you think equity incentive means, then that's a pretty good indication that you'll never be offered that in your lifetime.
by Anonymous2 years ago
You had the chance to help a person out with your knowledge and you chose to be scornful instead - a real pity.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Just quit my job Monday for this exact reason. The only reward for being good is getting double the work stacked on you to pick up the slack of others.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Where I work is like this. If you volunteer to help, your days off don't exist. I learned that the hard way a few years ago.
With my current job I do a great job but always get my 40 hours a week in. 🙂
by Anonymous2 years ago
Reminds me of one of my favorite memes I'm having turned into a t-shirt: "Dream job? Sorry, I don't dream of labor"
by Anonymous2 years ago
Idk what is so hard to understand about this. My company doing "excellence programs" and other stuff that i have no interest in but my boss is low key pressuring to participate in because it will make him look good.
Like i just want to work my shift and enjoy my free time ;/
by Anonymous2 years ago
I had a minor epiphany during my paternity leave last year where I realised I didn't actually want to be a manager. I had been applying for and been rejected for a bunch of team lead/management positions in my company and it was really getting me down. After being off work to be with my kids for six months I realised I didn't even really want the hassle, I like my job, pay is decent, it's pretty low stress. All this time I had been focusing on climbing the ladder because that was what I had always been told was the whole point of the exercise. I ended up getting a slightly more senior version of my existing role and a pay bump 6 months after I came back from my leave and tbh I'm absolutely fine with staying at this level for the foreseeable future.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Everywhere is up or out these days. I had 'out' chosen for me in a round of layoffs last year and have no desire to go back to the industry. Still sucks, but at least I know where I stand.
by Anonymous2 years ago
If you're good at your job, we'll promote you until you aren't!
by Anonymous2 years ago
I feel like they just want employees to move on because it would save them money down the road.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Here i am dreaming of a managerial role...
by Anonymous2 years ago
Truth. It sucks that the big salaries are often "paywalled" in managerial positions. I'm a graphic artist. I'd make a horrible manager as I have no people skills and don't like heavy responsibilities like managing teams and what not. But to get out of my poverty I have kiss ass and work harder than usual to get to a position I have no interest nor am not equipped to handle? If only liveable wage existed.
by Anonymous2 years ago
On paper it's a symbiotic relationship. My time, for your money. Obviously, if one side decides to arrange it in such a way that it benefits them much more than you, that's good for them. So is gaslighting you into thinking that it's just the way of things. It's natural for them to take that position. Of course, you figuring it out threatens the balance, and they don't like that.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Capitalism would be a great system if it was limited to free contracts between equal individuals, but when the two parties are a human being and a vampiric leviathan then one side clearly has the leverage.
by Anonymous2 years ago
I think capitalism as a default is good, but needs referees willing to step in when it doesn't work.
Now, I know some might read that second part and become uneasy. "Doesn't that leave the door open to an oppressive government? I care too much about freedom for this refereeing stuff." To those people, let me just say one thing: I care about freedom as much as you do. I just think it is dangerous to think of the government as the only entity capable of taking it away.
by Anonymous2 years ago
The problem with all the most powerful people in society being wealthy capitalists is that the referees get bought and sold just like everything else in their world.
by Anonymous2 years ago
I have lost my faith in humanity. Give power to the government? Bam tyrannical asshole. Give in completely to capitalism? Now the narcissistic assholes own the government.
by Anonymous2 years ago
It's just assholes all the way down and you gotta find your special floaties or drown in the doodoo of life.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Words to live by
by Anonymous2 years ago
That was beautiful.
by Anonymous2 years ago
The older I get the more I realize human nature is the real problem, not "the system". It doesn't take that many bad apples to ruin it for everyone. And there will always be bad apples
by Anonymous2 years ago
It's not human nature. It's learned behaviour. Things that can cure it primarily include investing in good education.
by Anonymous2 years ago
yeah, i mean, even today there are countries on earth where the majority of people are well educated and mostly empathetic. my mind immediately shifts to Canada, Norway, Sweden etc. but there are many more examples.
Humanity is not doomed to be a moral failure.
by Anonymous2 years ago
That is a really optimistic view of humanity that I wish was true.
by Anonymous2 years ago
You think the elites aren't the most well educated people on the planet? You think they just flunked high school or what?
by Anonymous2 years ago
The point is educating all people so they can't be taken advantage of as easily. Obviously educating a select few will make it easier for them to oppress others.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Dont underestimate how easy getting more money is when you have a lot of money. A little bit of common sense and something like what trump called a 'small' 1 million dollar loan from dad go a long way. And not to mention what do you need for an education? Money.
by Anonymous2 years ago
So long as you can keep the latter from having undue influence in politics, the oppression is minimal and can be overcome or dodged by means other than violence. The former option allows the narcissistic assholes free reign to do as they please.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Which is why unions need to be strong. I think unions are a necessary evil. If a company treats their employees fairly then they never need to organize, but the moment the company starts to exploit their labor they deserve to be choked out by the boa constrictor called organized labor.
by Anonymous2 years ago
How are unions evil?
by Anonymous2 years ago
Until the union leaders have some incentive not to protect the workers...
by Anonymous2 years ago
Problem is humans. No human referee is beyond influence. Case in point: politics.
(I include myself in this maxim)
by Anonymous2 years ago
The problem, ultimately, is greed. If people with power (whether political or economic) acted selflessly, we wouldn't need to have this conversation.
Unfortunately, power tends to end up in the hands of people who want it for themselves for some reason...
by Anonymous2 years ago
Maybe we need to consider if AI can be useful in politics then.
by Anonymous2 years ago
>capitalism as a default is good, but needs referees willing to step in when it doesn't work.
Define "doesn't work". Because leveraging power and assets to "capitalize" on a situation is capitalism.
by Anonymous2 years ago
When there are large market inefficiencies. Profit is, definitionally, a sign of market inefficiency.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Profit can be simply a reward for putting capital at risk. Profits that are too big relative to the risk taken are a sign of market inefficiencies, like monopolies or regulatory capture.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Profit is capitalism. Profit by private enterprise.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Union strikers in Central America were summarily executed by Chiquita banana.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Is there a better system? Is there a system that's lifted more people out of poverty than capitalism? Literally billions of people. Is there a better way to use people's own self interests to serve the community at large? Capitalism is far from perfect but I haven't seen a better alternative yet.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Is there a better system than roman cesars? We ancient romans haven't seen anything better yet so let's not try.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Capitalism is so good at growth because it ties economic gains to the necessities of life. In a purely capitalist state with no interventionist policies, if you don't work you starve. A socialist state takes that pressure off, often leading to stagnation. But that stagnation is the cost of removing the gun from the heads of the citizenry, and can often be managed easier than the reverse.
by Anonymous2 years ago
> Is there a system that's lifted more people out of poverty than capitalism? Literally billions of people.
at the expense of other billions of people left to rot in the third world that the first world steals from (imperialism)
by Anonymous2 years ago
When I started at Costco the store manager came and spoke with us and basically told us it's okay to be motivated by money and that he partly is as well.
by Anonymous2 years ago
I like a manager that will just be straight with you.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Then he took down our pants and slapped our penises around for forty five minutes straight.
by Anonymous2 years ago
I like a manager that pranks ya
by Anonymous2 years ago
And at job interviews, when they ask you why you wanna work there, they know if you're really thinking "for the money", but will still get mad at you if you actually say it.
by Anonymous2 years ago
I mean what they're really asking you why is why did you apply here over all the other possible jobs you could have applied for.
by Anonymous2 years ago
I applied to those too. If I hear back from them and they offer more money I'm gone. But until then I'm your guy.
How much are you offering again?
by Anonymous2 years ago
Then hypothetically each company should offer you about the same. To some degree other factors can tip the scales. It's unfortunate very few have the opportunity to actually choose this way.
by Anonymous2 years ago
This is exactly why they don't hire the people that say that they're just there for money. If you give indication that you're more willing to jump ship than another applicant, it makes more sense to spend the money training the one that at least pretends they'll stick around.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Perceived a more realistic chance of getting the money here.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Say it anyways and look them dead in the eye when you do.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Power move.
by Anonymous2 years ago
"Well if you love money so much why don't you marry it?!"
by Anonymous2 years ago
Some people basically do
by Anonymous2 years ago
In reality they are just looking for innocent people with big hopes, so they can exploit or gaslight them into company culture easily
by Anonymous2 years ago
They're looking for if you did your research on the company. It's a dumb game but if you answer 'for the money' it doesn't really tell them what they want and it will reflect poorly on you too. "for the money" is pretty much implied throughout the entire process.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Two weeks' notice before a layoff should be the law.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Because it is the owners of the company who are actually motivated by money. If they never had to give wages to their employees, they probably wouldn't. But it's the law so
by Anonymous2 years ago
It's more so because people won't work for free, not the law
by Anonymous2 years ago
People can basically get ready to work almost for free in many poorer countries due to a dearth of opportunities.
by Anonymous2 years ago
There is this really cruel thing called unpaid internships I think you might want to look into.
by Anonymous2 years ago
It's very much so the law. Yeah, people wouldn't work for free. But it is more so if companies could pay you less, they would. If they could employ children, they would.
by Anonymous2 years ago
And they do...in countries that they can get away with doing those things. Its infuriating.
by Anonymous2 years ago
It's how capitalism works it's like a game of king of the hill but you have to deceive the others into to letting you climb over their heads
by Anonymous2 years ago
Congrats, you just discovered class conflict
by Anonymous2 years ago
All the more reason that churches are the best businesses.
by Anonymous2 years ago
So what brings you to our company?
>I need to pay rent
by Anonymous2 years ago
You've just described why capitalism sucks in one sentence. Grats.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Slavery never ended. Industrialization changed the terms of agreement.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Of course slavery never ended. Even ignoring it in other countries or conflating wage slavery with traditional slavery. In the United States the amendment that people think banned slavery had an *explicit* exception.
There's a reason the prison industrial complex is so powerful. It's the last source of legal slavery in the US.
by Anonymous2 years ago
"Pray I do not alter it further."
Darth Bezos
by Anonymous2 years ago
Agree. Capitalism and Corporate system is basically minimum security prison.
by Anonymous2 years ago
They want them motivated by the promise of more money.
by Anonymous2 years ago
"If you keep up the hard work you *might* get a raise!"
by Anonymous2 years ago
Bastards...
by Anonymous2 years ago
That's not true. Being extremely money motivated is a very important characteristic of a good sales person
by Anonymous2 years ago
Identifying an exception and proving a general statement false are two different things.
by Anonymous2 years ago
That's a single example. There are, undoubtedly, other jobs that see being money driven as a positive trait in employees. I really can't believe I have to say that
by Anonymous2 years ago
I know. I'm just being pedantic honestly.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Which is a large part of why things run differently in government and the public sector.
by Anonymous2 years ago
That's because employees who only care about money will leave the first time any other firm offers them even a little bit more money.
Employee churn is a big issue especially in sector involving high hiring, training and development costs.
by Anonymous2 years ago
So hypocritical of them- like people are hypocritical. But companies aren't really people- yet we protect them like people.
by Anonymous2 years ago
I'm motivated by money. It would cost too much for my employer to replace me. I understand that. So long as they can't replace me I'm good.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Can we please change this to like Fortune 500 companies or something? I swear the anti-establishment rhetoric that people are saying nowadays is pretty toxic. There's a lot of smaller companies out there (especially the mom and pop ones) don't deserve employees that have this kind of mindset.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Here's the thing. Most companies believe they're doing something good in the world, but the company doesn't exist if they don't make money. So they do what it takes to stay profitable so they can continue on with their good cause, which often means trying to get as much out of the workforce as possible with as little overhead costs as possible.
People often conflate a company wanting to make money with a greedy CEO, but these are very different things.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Yet here you are conflating a company with something that has beliefs.
by Anonymous2 years ago
The beauty that is capitalism
by Anonymous2 years ago
Capitalism, when focused on the collective good is an awesome system. The market pays for everyone's living. Capitalism, when when focused on short term gains, trades prosperity for profits.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Capitalism is definitionally and operationally oriented towards profits. If you are not profit seeking, you are at the mercy of those who are. Private ownership begets more private ownership. The winners use their winnings to win more.
by Anonymous2 years ago
Someone just discovered capitalism! I recommend you read Wage Labor and Capital by Marx, it's a great intro to anti capitalist theory
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