I'm with you on this.
"only applies to indoor cats" -- uh.. it's in a box
"escape death in their lifetimes" -- we don't know the metaphysical rules around cats and 9 lives... perfectly possible it is still alive.
That only applies to indoor cats. Including feral and people who let their pets wander because they are terrible people… I believe it averages out to closer to like 8.5 years for all cats.
It is relative. I've always supported this theory. Time can be nothing but relative, as time experienced can only inform time remaining. This explains the childhood summers which seemed to last forever. If you're ten years old, one year is one tenth of your combined experience. If you're forty, one year is one fortieth of your combined experience. That's why time appears to pass more quickly the older you get. It is always relatively less than what you have already experienced.
Exactly. Everything is relative to experience, particularly time. It stands to reason. If you've been alive 60 years then one year will seem like a much smaller experience than if you're 20.
I think you're getting perception confused with relativity. Time will vary with relation to speed and gravity. The faster an object goes, the slower time goes for it. Also time slows down around increased gravity.
I'm 100% sure that cat is bones if it was put in a box in 1935 with no air, water or food. To argue against that is moronic. Schrodinger's Cat as a theory is absolutely sound. But Schrodinger's actual cat is brown bread mate.
Technically you don't know that with 100% certainty until you open the box. It's possible it's not an ordinary cat. Maybe it was made in a lab, or has some extremely where genetic mutation where it can hibernate and burn nearly 0% energy. Of course it's less than a 1 out of a trillion chance but theoretically it could be alive in there
Due to the nature of cats having 9 lives, and the average lifespan of a cat being 13-17 years, this means that Schrodinger's cat could still potentially be alive or dead, as the average lifespan for all 9 lives would put the cat's time on earth at an average span of 117-153 years. So while possible the cat may have run out of lives by this point, since it hasn't even been 100 years yet, it's much more likely that the cat is still alive in there. Though who can know for certain, so long as you don't open the box?
See my previous reply. The 9 lives of cats is related to the amount of times they escape death during their natural life span. Making jumps they shouldn't make. Avoiding cars miraculously. Surviving falls from height. It doesn't mean they have nine times the average life span of a cat, else they'd all live to 90.
I was actually just talking about this yes while relative to you and I it was 1935 in human time perception, schrodie and cats perceived time in a quantum cat perception. Therefore the cat has only been in the box for 5 quantum cat years. Therefore the cat could theoretically be alive even though he hasn't eaten for 5 quantum years.
One of my University Buildings is named after Erwin Schrodinger and we always joke, that we are Schrodinger Students. Nobody knows if we are dead or alive while in this building.
There is a nonzero chance it is dead and there will always be so. It will just grow smaller over time tending towards the probability of a random quantum fluctuation creating an exact copy in its place
actually the average cat lives 13-17 years meaning that if you assume the cat has 9 lives Schrödinger's cat could still be going strong until 2088
That's a stretch. The 9 lives thing is around how many times they escape death in their lifetimes, not a multiplication of the average age of a cat.
Got a source on that, OP?
You're not serious right?
I'm with you on this.
"only applies to indoor cats" -- uh.. it's in a box
"escape death in their lifetimes" -- we don't know the metaphysical rules around cats and 9 lives... perfectly possible it is still alive.
I'm a believer that the cat is still alive...
Chunga cat
That only applies to indoor cats. Including feral and people who let their pets wander because they are terrible people… I believe it averages out to closer to like 8.5 years for all cats.
Yeah the cat is dead.
It's also alive though...
Maybe he only put it in the box to bury it- because it was already dead
Then the whole experiment is redundant.
What if the box was empty the whole time??
Then the cat is still dead what with it being alive in 1935.
But what if it never existed in the first place
We can't know for sure without opening it. That's the whole point.
Maybe he did, maybe he didn't how do you know?
Does time matter inside the box?
It could've escaped
This brings up another conceptual conflict between general relativity and quantum mechanics - is time absolute or is it relative?
It is relative. I've always supported this theory. Time can be nothing but relative, as time experienced can only inform time remaining. This explains the childhood summers which seemed to last forever. If you're ten years old, one year is one tenth of your combined experience. If you're forty, one year is one fortieth of your combined experience. That's why time appears to pass more quickly the older you get. It is always relatively less than what you have already experienced.
Someone once used a roll of toilet paper for this analogy. The closer it gets to the end, the faster it goes.
Exactly. Everything is relative to experience, particularly time. It stands to reason. If you've been alive 60 years then one year will seem like a much smaller experience than if you're 20.
I think you're getting perception confused with relativity. Time will vary with relation to speed and gravity. The faster an object goes, the slower time goes for it. Also time slows down around increased gravity.
You're talking about human perception of time, not time itself.
If I had a dollar for everyone who misunderstood 'Schrodinger's Cat' then I could probably afford quality healthcare in the US.
How can you be sure ?
Well, actually…
Can you go check for me?
Schrödinger's cat never existed. It can't be dead if it was never alive.
Ah, a man of culture.
Did the box exist though? Lay it gently on me, please.
So he put a non-existent cat in a box? Sounds like a waste of time.
What if he put it in Pandora's box?
I'm not sure what an overpriced trinket shop's boxes have to do with this 😉
Or is it?
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Yes. Yes it is.
You wouldn't know that until you opened the box
I'm 100% sure that cat is bones if it was put in a box in 1935 with no air, water or food. To argue against that is moronic. Schrodinger's Cat as a theory is absolutely sound. But Schrodinger's actual cat is brown bread mate.
You would only know that if you opened the box
Technically you don't know that with 100% certainty until you open the box. It's possible it's not an ordinary cat. Maybe it was made in a lab, or has some extremely where genetic mutation where it can hibernate and burn nearly 0% energy. Of course it's less than a 1 out of a trillion chance but theoretically it could be alive in there
But did you check the box though?
There is no cat
Then the experiment is invalid.
The cat is a lie
I'm not saying the cat is alive. that wasn't my point
Make your point clearer.
Sorry
Due to the nature of cats having 9 lives, and the average lifespan of a cat being 13-17 years, this means that Schrodinger's cat could still potentially be alive or dead, as the average lifespan for all 9 lives would put the cat's time on earth at an average span of 117-153 years. So while possible the cat may have run out of lives by this point, since it hasn't even been 100 years yet, it's much more likely that the cat is still alive in there. Though who can know for certain, so long as you don't open the box?
Bruh... We're in the quantum realm. It's be 86 years for us. Could be 5mins for the cat.
That's more Einstein's theory more than quantum theory.
All part of quantum physics.
Einstein's theory of relativity is part of quantum physics?
Well... Thanks for forcing me to touch up on the physics. You're right, hope one day they'll be unified.
this the best one i ever seen!
Too kind
Agreed.
Unless he then set the box in motion to a speed close to the speed of light.
Whether it is or not it's still dead if he put it in there in 1935 🤷♂️
The cat is living a quantum existence.
But Cats have 9 lives. A conservative lifespan for a cat is 10 years so it should have a few years to go yet !
See my previous reply. The 9 lives of cats is related to the amount of times they escape death during their natural life span. Making jumps they shouldn't make. Avoiding cars miraculously. Surviving falls from height. It doesn't mean they have nine times the average life span of a cat, else they'd all live to 90.
Citation?
It's alive though
I was actually just talking about this yes while relative to you and I it was 1935 in human time perception, schrodie and cats perceived time in a quantum cat perception. Therefore the cat has only been in the box for 5 quantum cat years. Therefore the cat could theoretically be alive even though he hasn't eaten for 5 quantum years.
You wouldn't know it's dead without opening the box then
Did you check?
Yes
Except in the dimensions where cats live for 100 years (or more)
One of my University Buildings is named after Erwin Schrodinger and we always joke, that we are Schrodinger Students. Nobody knows if we are dead or alive while in this building.
Particularly after a heavy night out, I would imagine.
Is anyone gonna tell him?
… I feel like you don't understand how Schrödinger's Cat works.
How do we know Schrodinger is still dead if nobody has opened his coffin?
Also I just saw the cat yesterday, turns out he jumped out seconds after being put in the box.
How do you know that time passes at the same rate in the box?
Or is he?
Not how quantum mechanics works
There is a nonzero chance it is dead and there will always be so. It will just grow smaller over time tending towards the probability of a random quantum fluctuation creating an exact copy in its place