The guy who decided where each key goes on a keyboard has more influence on you than can ever imagine, amirite?

Damn you, John Qwerty!

by Anonymous 2 years ago

And his German brother John Qwertz!

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Johannes Qwertz*

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Jonathan Qwertz?

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Johann W. von Qwertz

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Perfektion

by Anonymous 2 years ago

And his Russian brother, John Dvorak. Their unusual family tradition of naming everyone John and not sharing family names tends to confuse people.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

And their French cousin, Jacques Azerty!

by Anonymous 2 years ago

And the shut-in that lives in their basement but is insanely smart albeit not well known: August Dvorak

by Anonymous 2 years ago

I prefer the work of Antonin Dvorak, myself

by Anonymous 2 years ago

And his Prussian brother Hermanbierto Gif!

by Anonymous 2 years ago

It's actually pronounced *Gif*.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Pretty sure his first name was Tab.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

You IOP!

by Anonymous 2 years ago

His name was Qwerty U. Iop and he owns your soul

by Anonymous 2 years ago

No, that was his dad. It was actually Qwerty U. Iop []

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Don't give Elon any ideas!

by Anonymous 2 years ago

He'll end up stealing the idea anyway

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Well, not for German language keyboard users. Ours i called Quertz U. Iopü and he is a nice guy that gives free healthcare to all of us.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Strangely not related to Azerty U. Iop, the French inventor of the baguette.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

In German that's Bagüette

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Are we talking about the qwerty layout or the staggering of the letters. The staggering was due to how the type writer functions and is not necessary now. Even in the mechanical keyboard community many enthusiast have Ortho linear layouts making the keys line up vertically.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Yeah! Orthogang!

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Iris! Moonlander ! Ez! Foldkb

by Anonymous 2 years ago

It would actually be the person who invented the typewriter, as the keys on a keyboard mimic those that we find on a typewriter. This was so the transition from using typewriters to using keyboards would be as smooth as possible.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

It would actually be the person who redesigned the typewriter standard. The original design for typewriters was so effective people would type too fast (mostly in a specific zone of the board iirc) causing the typewriters to jam up. To prevent this and make their product last longer, they switched to QWERTY so that the the useful letters are spread evenly amongst the board and slows the typer down.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

>they switched to QWERTY so that the the useful letters are spread evenly amongst the board and slows the typer down. Absolutely false. It's true that fast typers would jam up the type bars, but the rearrangement of the keys was to place the most common digraphs far enough apart to allow the previous bar time to clear before three next one arrived. The arrangement was to facilitate the faster typing, not to slow typists down.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Yeah, that myth is so stupid I'm surprised it's so common.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

I feel like when I heard the myth it was perpetrated by people peddling dvorak keyboards.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Qwerty is a rather inefficient layout, and preventing typewriter jams does seem like a reasonable explanation. But simply designing a slow layout would be stupid, instead what it does is move letters that often come after one another far apart on the keyboard. Being slower is an unfortunate byproduct of that, rather than the goal. Dvorak is better but it's still far from optimal, I use Colemak DH which is better but still not optimal since it's designed to be somewhat easy to transition to from qwerty.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Why even change from qwerty? I feel like its fast enough. Do you notice a difference in speed?

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Seriously I already type faster than I can generally come up with text to type out lol.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Main reason I and probably a lot of other people swap keyboard layout is for ergonomics, having most of your typing done without moving your hands from the homerow is very nice especially when you are typing for many hours a day. (I use semimak)

by Anonymous 2 years ago

I feel like it was on Cracked like 15 years ago or something

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Yeah that myth always seemed corny to me, splitting up commonly-used-together letters made more sense, like how Q and U are on opposite sides of the keyboard and A/E/IOU are different. I guess not too many words have the UIO vowels in close proximity, huh? Maybe it's just because I learned QWERTY from a young age, but it's definitely a lot faster than those game console keyboards that would put the letters in alphabetical order. I remember it was a big deal when the Xbox 360 *finally* got QWERTY.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

>causing the typewriters to jam up. > to allow the previous bar time to clear before three next one arrived To me these seem like essentially the same thing

by Anonymous 2 years ago

The two-row was definitely not faster than QWERTY and its variations (AZERTY, QWERTZ). Maybe the four-row with all the vowels on a single row had a less steep learning curve, but it wasn't faster either. Typewritters jammed because two consecutive letters were pressed together, but the time it took people to write a whole paragraph remained the same. Dvorak and its variations (Colemak) are actually faster, but Colemak was not made for typewriters; it's rather a layout that applies the Dvorak method while trying to stay similar to QWERTY.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

I haven't heard of any of these races in D&D

by Anonymous 2 years ago

That's because they're classes, not races.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Maybe theres less finger motion, but im still not sure that it's any faster. It feels like theres a lot of confirmation bias if you have to practice typing on the layout and you know that more practice = faster typing. If people spent as much time not just using, but practicing and improving on QWERTY, the hype may not be as much

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Can confirm in my experience. I maxed out around 90ish AWPM on QWERTY and it's the same on Dvorak. However I do find typing Dvorak to be easier on my wrists since I don't have as much reaching to do. Source: been typing Dvorak for many years.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Yeah, they found it negligible, unless you learned the Dvorak first.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Already aware of the issue of jamming keys, not aware that the qwerty typewriter was invented by a separate person so thank you for this information.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

In your pedantry you forgot that a typewriter keyboard is still a keyboard.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

It took me this long to realize that we aren't talking about musical keyboards lol.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

He had exactly as much influence on me as creating the conditions for the amount of time I budget towards typing when it's necessary to do so, and how my fingers move when actually typing. It's not more influence than I, or indeed anyone, can imagine. If he hadn't invented querty he would've invented something else good enough for a reasonable typing speed. And if he didn't invented a good enough typewriter someone else would have invented it instead, or improved on it.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

You don't understand. If we can't rely on ctrl+v being next to ctrl+c, can we really rely on anything? The existence of the entire universe would get called into question.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Ah, yes. Ctrl-Copy and Ctrl-Vaste.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

I wish I was as high as you are right now.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

laughs in dvorak

by Anonymous 2 years ago

There are dozens of us!

by Anonymous 2 years ago

You clearly don't understand what influence means

by Anonymous 2 years ago

The influence is pretty much zero since we would have to learn to use any other Lay-out pretty much the same way, except for perhaps more familiar orders like the alphabetical order where we would have an easier time finding a key we aren't familiar with.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Influence over what tho. How fast we type? Not really a high form of power

by Anonymous 2 years ago

You're clearly a sheep to the keyboard overlords

by Anonymous 2 years ago

It's carryover from the typewriting days where keys would actually get jammed or the mechanisms entangled when people typer too quickly. ..I'm not old, I swear!!

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Can you imagine how much more difficult WASD would be if they weren't all together?

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Lionel Qwert?

by Anonymous 2 years ago

The reason is so a typewriter doesn't jam as you're typing fast. No longer technology relevant but like the USB we're stuck with the configuration because we all use it.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

The keys are placed so that most frequent letters can be typed with ease.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Not sure you know what influence means.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

🤔 I suspect you severely underestimate the power of imagination and overestimate the influence this has on people.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

You clearly don't know why that specific layout was chosen

by Anonymous 2 years ago

He had an impact sure, he doesn't have influence.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Fun fact, the key arrangement was originally set up for a typewriter, but a problem with a typewriter was that if you typed too fast or too many adjacent keys at once it would jam up, so they had to take this into account with the keyboard and make a layout that was efficient but not too efficient keeping commonly paired letters apart from each other.

by Anonymous 2 years ago