I know you might find it hard to believe yourself, but I don't deny the reality that at some point in my life, I may have to commit terrible actions against someone for my own good. Maybe that means killing someone's son and brother to save myself, or maybe I swerve out of the way of a massive pickup truck and they hit a family of four behind me crossing the street (which if they hit me, would not have happened).
People ultimately make choices, and those choices are all based in some kind of purposeful intention of some kind (whether it be rational or irrational). I don't think anyone can be a good or bad person objectively, despite how I personally feel about what might have happened to me. If someone killed my brother for his money, I don't think that makes them a bad person. I might still break their neck for revenge, and I might still be angry, but that doesn't make me a bad person either.
By that same logic there's no such thing as anything.
Everything is filtered through the human mind and through human concepts. "Good" and "Bad" are just as real as "a car" or "a mosquito" or "solar power", they are all concepts framed by the human mind and sculpted by human experience.
"A car" would be a strange mountain to an ant, a pile of junk to an advanced civilization, "a mosquito" could be viewed not as it's own thing, but as a small part of an overall ecology, or as a copy of the mosquito before it in a neverending line of reproduction. ALL things are as we define them.
Good and bad specifically relate to actions that either help or hinder relationships with other people. If you keep doing bad, people will not like you and will seek to punish you. If you do good people may like you and endeavor to help you as well.
I say no but not in the religious context ppl normal discuss free will in. I mean more in the sense that the world has been shaped around you and your choices are dependent on that. It's just perceived free will within a structure already created for you.
Actually manual actions we take only make up between 10-15% of what we do the rest is purely instinctual automatic responses like breathing and blinking
Good and bad are just ways we describe how someone behaves within our own understanding of some grand moral worldview. I don't believe morality exists, and while I understand morality guides the choices of some people, it does not guide mine. I make choices based on my own perception of cause/effect, and benefits/cost.
Huh?
So, you're telling me that the Holocaust wasn't bad?
Once someone does unspeakable things to your family, this notion becomes crystal clear
I know you might find it hard to believe yourself, but I don't deny the reality that at some point in my life, I may have to commit terrible actions against someone for my own good. Maybe that means killing someone's son and brother to save myself, or maybe I swerve out of the way of a massive pickup truck and they hit a family of four behind me crossing the street (which if they hit me, would not have happened).
People ultimately make choices, and those choices are all based in some kind of purposeful intention of some kind (whether it be rational or irrational). I don't think anyone can be a good or bad person objectively, despite how I personally feel about what might have happened to me. If someone killed my brother for his money, I don't think that makes them a bad person. I might still break their neck for revenge, and I might still be angry, but that doesn't make me a bad person either.
Everyone disagreeing is proving the point of the group "unpopular opinion" 💀.
By that same logic there's no such thing as anything.
Everything is filtered through the human mind and through human concepts. "Good" and "Bad" are just as real as "a car" or "a mosquito" or "solar power", they are all concepts framed by the human mind and sculpted by human experience.
"A car" would be a strange mountain to an ant, a pile of junk to an advanced civilization, "a mosquito" could be viewed not as it's own thing, but as a small part of an overall ecology, or as a copy of the mosquito before it in a neverending line of reproduction. ALL things are as we define them.
Good and bad specifically relate to actions that either help or hinder relationships with other people. If you keep doing bad, people will not like you and will seek to punish you. If you do good people may like you and endeavor to help you as well.
Would you like a cup of coffee and a biscuit, or kicked in the balls and covered in paint stripper.
Would you rather make someone coffee and a biscuit, or kick them in the balls?
What's bad for me might be good for you
Neither
Is free-will even real?? Discuss.
I say no but not in the religious context ppl normal discuss free will in. I mean more in the sense that the world has been shaped around you and your choices are dependent on that. It's just perceived free will within a structure already created for you.
Free willy is a real movie.
Yes. Literally 99 percent of things we do is on our own accord.
Actually manual actions we take only make up between 10-15% of what we do the rest is purely instinctual automatic responses like breathing and blinking
Okay
I too was once 14 years old.
Yeah, it does sound like something my kid would say when trying to prove how smart they are.
Good and bad are just ways we describe how someone behaves within our own understanding of some grand moral worldview. I don't believe morality exists, and while I understand morality guides the choices of some people, it does not guide mine. I make choices based on my own perception of cause/effect, and benefits/cost.