I disagree with this and here's why. "Any means necessary" means it can eventually be escalated up to killing ppl and that's not okay (unless it's self defense). That line of thinking is incredibly dangerous. If there's a reason you're being involuntarily committed to a 72 hour psych hold, there's a very good reason as to why the trained professionals think that it's appropriate. You're most likely a danger to yourself and/or other ppl at that point. An extremely concerned person pointed you out to them and the professionals saw it fit to take action. Take it from someone who has personal experience with someone who needs to be in a ward for mental health issues and they refuse to go. Luckily this person isn't dangerous to others, just themselves.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

>either you arent crazy and you are defending yourself against unlawful imprisonment because someone with a medical degree said so, Except that isn't how "unlawful imprisonment" works. Mental Health institutions are legally allowed to hold people for an extended period of time for psychiatric evaluations. That would be "involuntary commitment" and not "unlawful imprisonment". >or you are crazy and cant be held accountable for defending yourself against people you honestly think are trying to do you harm That would just be assault... And at that point they are well within their rights to hold you since you've just been proven to be a danger not only to yourself but to others by virtue of mental illness.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Dawg what did you do?

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Assaulting medical personnel is assault. You don't get a pass because they're medical staff. Hospitals in my area put up signs in every lobby / waiting room / elevator a few years ago, saying that harassment and violence towards personnel will not be tolerated because of people like OP. If you're being held, it's because there's a *possibility* of mental instability. It's not "72 hours of being legally untouchable".

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Assaulting medical personnel is assault. You don't get a pass because they're medical staff. Hospitals in my area put up signs in every lobby / waiting room / elevator a few years ago, saying that harassment and violence towards personnel will not be tolerated because of people like OP. If you're being held, it's because there's a *possibility* of mental instability. It's not "72 hours of being legally untouchable".

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Gee, it's almost like the word "mandatory" and all the laws surrounding it make it lawful.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Right to freedom supersedes law boss, there is no good reason anyone would try to call one on me but If they did I aint going peacefully

by Anonymous 2 years ago

>Right to freedom supersedes law (no one tell OP what prisons are for…)

by Anonymous 2 years ago

If you think freedom supersedes the law I invite you to light up a joint in your local police chief's office and then punch his wife in the face

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Can you explain this right to freedom a little more, and how it supercedes laws? First off, where does this right originate from? I'm not familiar with it.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Well, you can try to fight them, but police and hospital officials are pretty adept at securing patients on a psych hold.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

There is no "crazy" or "not crazy." It's not even about that at all. You can be shown to have a mental illness/diagnosia...the hols is about establishing whether or not you are an immediate risk to yourself or others

by Anonymous 2 years ago

I don't think you know what 72 hours in a box with other screaming, scratching, and banging people in boxes.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

The mental health system is flawed. Should someone have the right to refuse drugs? Yes. However, I can see where it is necessary sometimes to hold someone. And I am Not a fan of psychiatry. I had my go with it, and I was on so many pills, many off label. I was doped up on 80 mg of valium, and I am a small person, but I had a tolerance. I was doped up with Seroquel, and it made me a larger teen, and then I had to lose all that weight, and the effects wore off. It was for OCD. I was on paxil, zoloft, prozac, and I quit all after a year ago. You don't give someone antipsychotics because they are anorexic. Medicinal marijuana would be better off. And the pills made me feel worse. I still take some valium because I have been on it so long, and I panic, but otherwise, I wont touch another damn antidepressant/antipsychotic/z drug.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

By that same logic they can put a hold on you and enforce it by any means necessary...bad idea

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Sounds like you have absolutely zero idea about what you're talking about.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

No. It needs to be much easier to commit people.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Says someone who's never had their rights taken away by a "concerned " random person

by Anonymous 2 years ago

To say that it should be easier to do is not the same as saying it shouldn't have safeguards and appeal mechanisms. But walk around downtown San Francisco and tell me we shouldn't have more involuntary commitment.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

should be much easier for people to access the proper resources much sooner before it escalates to being formed/hospitalized.

by Anonymous 2 years ago

Ah, to see the world in black and white. Simplifies everything, doesn't it? The **one** element I'll briefly explain (of the many ignorant claims here) is that there is no such thing as "crazy." Mental health is a vast panoply of continua, one that also can vary depending on time and circumstance. Does that help?

by Anonymous 2 years ago