The notion of "no pain, no gain" is a dangerous myth that can leave individuals with irreparable physical damage - Rest and recovery are just as important as exercise, amirite?
You're wrong. The pain referred to in the phrase no pain, no gain is from the good pain our muscles feel as we exercise. You have to tear your muscles for them to grow and you're going to feel it.
No pain no gains does not mean no rest. It just means that you need to work hard/suffer in order to succeed. You were thinking "more pain more gain" and there is a difference.
You clearly didn't see the movie. It means that you do roids and gain muscle to become a body builder. Unless there are roids involved you shouldn't use this slogan.
I've always interpreted no pain no gain for during the workout itself. If you don't feel feel tired/sore immediately after your weight training, you probably didn't put in enough effort.
I mean technically speaking it just means you need to push your muscles to failure in order for them to sctually grow. That is where you will experience a certain amount of pain.
If you have a target you must do hard work and plan to get there.Sometimes having a good plan makes reaching your goal easier.But you should also know your limit and you should also make your life balance.Like you have to look at your health.
possibly? i've felt the pain of pullling a muscle or tweaking something, and it's different from the pain of working a muscle really hard. you want your muscles to burn, that means you're working them hard.
"No pain, no gain" doesn't mean no rest, it means that, when you're working out, you need to push your limits. That's actually the core philosophy of life—for change to occur, one must endure a form of suffering. Nothing easy can shape the characters, hardships, physical and mental, make you stronger. It's what the entierety of the comfort zone concept is about.
The real efficient thing is consistency that's why I stick to my workout schedule and skip only if I have health issues that's the only acceptable reason
Okay but like no actual progress will be made by not experiencing pain/ discomfort. No pain no gain is literally true, the saying doesn't mean run yourself into the ground until you can't anymore, it just means nothing is easy and it's gonna be hard. Like reasonably whats a few things you can gain without pushing yourself out of your comfort zone/ experiencing a form of pain?
I agree. Sure the argument can be made that it means you should push yourself out of your comfort zone bla bla bla. The sad truth that is a lot of us don't listen to the cues from our bodies. And if you workout often or with heavy equipment pain is a cue for WRONG not push harder.
I taught yoga for a couple of years and the number of times I said "if it hurts, you HAVE TO back down because you are doing it wrong or to much". I had people ignore me and then be upset because they got jointpain from pushing/pulling to hard in stretching exercises. I even told a guy that I would not allow him in my class because he was hurting himself with the way he did the exercises and I wasn't gonna enable that. He was pissed because "no pain, no gain".
Very much so. Things can be fun without needing to be a "gain". Exercise is great, you don't have to run a marathon. Just move because it makes you happy and it's fun
exercising the muscles makes them ache, it is a persistent discomfort that tells us the tissue is being stretched. when scaling up to build muscle mass, we'd have to feel the pain at each rep. when just maintaining the muscles at cruising altitude, we'd have to feel the pain by the end of the entire routine once we've almost tired ourselves out.
the saying doesn't imply if injury is necessary for fitness.
Well you're not supposed to be an idiot about it and "blindly" do anything. Pushing through "the burn" isn't the same as lifting too much without warming up etc. i get your point, but it seems like anyone doing any kind of workout should know the basics and be comfortable with the weight (or whatever else) they're using.
On good exercise plan you shouldn't feel sore (depend of cause on your targets), but on the next day you should be able to do a release training which should release this kind of soreness. Long, static stretching it is the best and a "must do" thing in my opinion.
But in any case 1-2 days of giving a rest to our body it just must
That is far too long. You shouldn't be feeling sore at all if you work out consistently (a few times a week). "Too much weight" alone won't give you DOMS. How many working sets are you doing per exercise/ muscle? Do you warm up at all?
Are you doing cool down and stretch after your workout? Also a few minutes of foam rolling really helps. By the way you can foam roll your biceps and triceps as well not just your legs. It's really a game changer.
Gym progress is a physiological adaptation to damage that is above the body's capacity within recoverable range. So there has to be damage done and that's not pleasant. What people need to understand is find their recoverable range and push within those limits.
It doesn't mean work until you actually injure yourself. But if I went to the gym today and did 4 sets of 60kg x 10 reps I would leave the gym feeling like I hadn't done anything and I wouldn't really get much from it.
Anyone pushing themselves to physical pain is taking the phrase too literally.
In reality it's accurate to any workout regimen. You know the pain when you feel like you couldn't do another push up? Or run another 10 minutes? You need to at least reach that pain threshold to get said gains. The same reason after leg day people hate stairs, if there was no pain you probably didn't work out that hard. I think you see the extreme ends of it which can be harmful but that's not what I ever felt the phrase is about.
Pain doesn't necessarily equate injury it means effort. For me the thrill and enjoyment of exercise is the push past what I think I am capable of- "the burn." Otherwise it's just walking or carrying things.
When I was young I was a part of international team in ski jumping…
Later was swimming ( 1.5 km distance for 20.13 mins)
Gym, rollerblading, running. Just finished skateboarding session
After a long thinking about how to improve the experience of "pain" and boring workouts…
We raised a friendly virtual competitions based on any type of sport.
The competitions based on activity tracker stats ( Apple activity rings)
The community competition gave me an experience of pushing myself harder without to be focused on the "pain" side…
For example instead of going from "no pain no gain" attitude during 22m of jump roping I am just doing another 10 mins for overtaking somebody on the competition leaderboard:)
I think there's a difference between pushing yourself out of your comfort zone and pushing yourself to the point of mental or physical exhaustion. It's important to have balance and prioritize self-care.
Yep, as well I personally trying to bring an opinion that bringing yourself out of comfort zone cab be enjoyable.
For example in case of exercising proper "after" trading routine will reduce soreness.
Changing lifestyle has to be type of fun in order to be sustainable.
Actually tried this for long period of time and for the first time it worked for long period of time.
Much longer than statistical 6 week period
I think the danger is more of the misunderstanding of the concept. There's a healthy sore the next day that is desirable, but if you're in pain and can't walk because you ran too hard, that's unhealthy sore/pain.
Everyone needs to push themselves, but I agree that there's tons of pressure in certain circles to push to someone else's standard with no regard to your own needs and limitation.
It's not a flawed concept. The pain isn't literal, it's just a metaphor for working hard. The fact that you can't improve without working hard doesn't in any way undermine the importance of recovery.
A change to a balanced healthy diet and achiving body the ideal body imagine can be extremely hard and physcologically painful to alot people , so having the strength to endure and do what is needed to achieving your end goal and maintain it can really affect your mental health .
Yes You have to follow the rules,get the right exercise ,eat the right food and get enough rest .
But if you don't have the right mentality to follow all these rules for the long run you ain't going to get any where .
This actually exactly what I am saying. You have very good explanation of this and it is really mantra. The part of pain it is not must be in changing your lifestyle.
Years I am thinking how to turn the "pain", bored etc part.
My opinion that it should be fun , type of gamified experience.
For example for us a friendly competition solve this part of "pain" and boring experience.
Just because something can't be applied to all of its literal meaning, doesn't mean the phrase is a "dangerous myth"
Once your brain starts rejecting the idea of working out, is the moment the workout truly begins.
You're wrong. The pain referred to in the phrase no pain, no gain is from the good pain our muscles feel as we exercise. You have to tear your muscles for them to grow and you're going to feel it.
No pain no gains does not mean no rest. It just means that you need to work hard/suffer in order to succeed. You were thinking "more pain more gain" and there is a difference.
You clearly didn't see the movie. It means that you do roids and gain muscle to become a body builder. Unless there are roids involved you shouldn't use this slogan.
I've always interpreted no pain no gain for during the workout itself. If you don't feel feel tired/sore immediately after your weight training, you probably didn't put in enough effort.
I mean technically speaking it just means you need to push your muscles to failure in order for them to sctually grow. That is where you will experience a certain amount of pain.
Yep, it came from literally workouts…
If you have a target you must do hard work and plan to get there.Sometimes having a good plan makes reaching your goal easier.But you should also know your limit and you should also make your life balance.Like you have to look at your health.
it doesn't mean be stupid about your workouts, it means they have to burn to be doing anything
Yep, but a "pain" word I believe meaningful here…
A lot of ppl actually mean to "feel a pain" during your route to change
"no lactic acid buildup no gain" doesn't really have the same ring to it you know
Even in the case of lactic acid, I believe just doing release exercise and proper static stretching will reduce this type of pain...
Can it be that I misunderstood you?
possibly? i've felt the pain of pullling a muscle or tweaking something, and it's different from the pain of working a muscle really hard. you want your muscles to burn, that means you're working them hard.
Quasimoto!!
But it's true. No pain, no gain.
Don't drink the literal cup.
"No pain, no gain" doesn't mean no rest, it means that, when you're working out, you need to push your limits. That's actually the core philosophy of life—for change to occur, one must endure a form of suffering. Nothing easy can shape the characters, hardships, physical and mental, make you stronger. It's what the entierety of the comfort zone concept is about.
The real efficient thing is consistency that's why I stick to my workout schedule and skip only if I have health issues that's the only acceptable reason
You don't understand the saying.. no where is it saying. Push yourself until Injury.. like you are impliing...
Go learn the meaning and come back...
Until then no thumbs up for you.
Okay but like no actual progress will be made by not experiencing pain/ discomfort. No pain no gain is literally true, the saying doesn't mean run yourself into the ground until you can't anymore, it just means nothing is easy and it's gonna be hard. Like reasonably whats a few things you can gain without pushing yourself out of your comfort zone/ experiencing a form of pain?
Try doing sets until failure and not have pain the next day. It's impossible. If you're not sore after a good workout you didn't do it right.
I agree. Sure the argument can be made that it means you should push yourself out of your comfort zone bla bla bla. The sad truth that is a lot of us don't listen to the cues from our bodies. And if you workout often or with heavy equipment pain is a cue for WRONG not push harder.
I taught yoga for a couple of years and the number of times I said "if it hurts, you HAVE TO back down because you are doing it wrong or to much". I had people ignore me and then be upset because they got jointpain from pushing/pulling to hard in stretching exercises. I even told a guy that I would not allow him in my class because he was hurting himself with the way he did the exercises and I wasn't gonna enable that. He was pissed because "no pain, no gain".
Absolutely. Good example.
As well all the atitude to pain instead of fun and joy is too much popular...
Very much so. Things can be fun without needing to be a "gain". Exercise is great, you don't have to run a marathon. Just move because it makes you happy and it's fun
Yep and as well "gain" is possible and ,I believe, can produce faster progress :)
I am happy now with my half marathon (It was absolutely unachievable for me once :)))
pain doesn't mean trauma,
exercising the muscles makes them ache, it is a persistent discomfort that tells us the tissue is being stretched. when scaling up to build muscle mass, we'd have to feel the pain at each rep. when just maintaining the muscles at cruising altitude, we'd have to feel the pain by the end of the entire routine once we've almost tired ourselves out.
the saying doesn't imply if injury is necessary for fitness.
you have to know the different between injury pain and just pain from hard work if you aint sore after your workout your not gettin' stronger
" no pain no gain bro" proceeds to break knees on the leg press
Blah Hugh hooo. No pain no gain my guy it os in fact true. Has anybody actually acomplished something great without pain?
On my best achievements I can hardly remember the pain...
Of cause were the moments, but the focus can be absolutely moved to more positive achievements (In my opinion of cause)
Einstein made some of the most profound scientific discoveries without hurting himself
I think the term is only applicable when someone is on steroids. Hey Harry, it feels as if my muscles are recovering at an incredible rate.
Much more enjoyable version :)
If someone takes "no pain no gain" that literally then they deserve to get irreparably physically damaged. Let's call it natural selection.
A funny one…
Well you're not supposed to be an idiot about it and "blindly" do anything. Pushing through "the burn" isn't the same as lifting too much without warming up etc. i get your point, but it seems like anyone doing any kind of workout should know the basics and be comfortable with the weight (or whatever else) they're using.
Idk why you're taking this literally.
How many days should you feel sore after a workout?
On good exercise plan you shouldn't feel sore (depend of cause on your targets), but on the next day you should be able to do a release training which should release this kind of soreness. Long, static stretching it is the best and a "must do" thing in my opinion.
But in any case 1-2 days of giving a rest to our body it just must
Ok I usully feel sore in any muscle I worked on for the next 4-5 days. So chances are I am using to much weight?
That is far too long. You shouldn't be feeling sore at all if you work out consistently (a few times a week). "Too much weight" alone won't give you DOMS. How many working sets are you doing per exercise/ muscle? Do you warm up at all?
I can barely do 2 times per week, so mostly its just once a week. I do like 6 x 15 for each muscle. Warm up is 10 mins running.
Are you doing cool down and stretch after your workout? Also a few minutes of foam rolling really helps. By the way you can foam roll your biceps and triceps as well not just your legs. It's really a game changer.
I got to a 300lb bench press without ever doing enough sets to be sore at all.
Gym progress is a physiological adaptation to damage that is above the body's capacity within recoverable range. So there has to be damage done and that's not pleasant. What people need to understand is find their recoverable range and push within those limits.
It doesn't mean work until you actually injure yourself. But if I went to the gym today and did 4 sets of 60kg x 10 reps I would leave the gym feeling like I hadn't done anything and I wouldn't really get much from it.
Sounds like you're a weak person who hasn't had any challenges in life
Your rotator cuff doesn't care if you can bench press 2 times your own bodyweight. When it's damaged, it's damaged.
No brain no gain!
They literally made a movie on this!
Anyone pushing themselves to physical pain is taking the phrase too literally.
In reality it's accurate to any workout regimen. You know the pain when you feel like you couldn't do another push up? Or run another 10 minutes? You need to at least reach that pain threshold to get said gains. The same reason after leg day people hate stairs, if there was no pain you probably didn't work out that hard. I think you see the extreme ends of it which can be harmful but that's not what I ever felt the phrase is about.
Pain doesn't necessarily equate injury it means effort. For me the thrill and enjoyment of exercise is the push past what I think I am capable of- "the burn." Otherwise it's just walking or carrying things.
"There is no elevator to success, you have to take the stairs" -unknown source
N.P. Will glad to share…
When I was young I was a part of international team in ski jumping…
Later was swimming ( 1.5 km distance for 20.13 mins)
Gym, rollerblading, running. Just finished skateboarding session
After a long thinking about how to improve the experience of "pain" and boring workouts…
We raised a friendly virtual competitions based on any type of sport.
The competitions based on activity tracker stats ( Apple activity rings)
The community competition gave me an experience of pushing myself harder without to be focused on the "pain" side…
For example instead of going from "no pain no gain" attitude during 22m of jump roping I am just doing another 10 mins for overtaking somebody on the competition leaderboard:)
I think there's a difference between pushing yourself out of your comfort zone and pushing yourself to the point of mental or physical exhaustion. It's important to have balance and prioritize self-care.
Yep, as well I personally trying to bring an opinion that bringing yourself out of comfort zone cab be enjoyable.
For example in case of exercising proper "after" trading routine will reduce soreness.
Changing lifestyle has to be type of fun in order to be sustainable.
Actually tried this for long period of time and for the first time it worked for long period of time.
Much longer than statistical 6 week period
I think the danger is more of the misunderstanding of the concept. There's a healthy sore the next day that is desirable, but if you're in pain and can't walk because you ran too hard, that's unhealthy sore/pain.
You've got it wrong. That's not what it means lol.
What do you mean? Can you explain more?
You have no idea what "no pain, no gain" means. No one on earth thinks it means what you are stating here.
if you're taking that expression literally, you should be concerned about something other than injuring yourself.
Everyone needs to push themselves, but I agree that there's tons of pressure in certain circles to push to someone else's standard with no regard to your own needs and limitation.
I get the feeling you're slow
I don't think anyone is giving themselves irreparable physical damage using the no pain no gain mantra....
Maybe you are right...
Maybe it is only me that once wanted to push myself...
Have a "swimmer shoulder" and other injuries that actually took me too long to repair...
It's not a flawed concept. The pain isn't literal, it's just a metaphor for working hard. The fact that you can't improve without working hard doesn't in any way undermine the importance of recovery.
I'm resting and recovering still from my years as a runner back in hs. 8 years still seems too little.
No pain ,no gain is just a mental mantra
A change to a balanced healthy diet and achiving body the ideal body imagine can be extremely hard and physcologically painful to alot people , so having the strength to endure and do what is needed to achieving your end goal and maintain it can really affect your mental health .
Yes You have to follow the rules,get the right exercise ,eat the right food and get enough rest .
But if you don't have the right mentality to follow all these rules for the long run you ain't going to get any where .
Pain = change your lifestyle
Gain= reaching your end goal
No pain, no gain
This actually exactly what I am saying. You have very good explanation of this and it is really mantra. The part of pain it is not must be in changing your lifestyle.
Years I am thinking how to turn the "pain", bored etc part.
My opinion that it should be fun , type of gamified experience.
For example for us a friendly competition solve this part of "pain" and boring experience.
That's not what it means tho
✋Just tore my Achilles tendon "powering through" a sore calf muscle, no powering anywhere for me now for 6 to 8 weeks plus a lot of physio after🤦
Ouch…
Do a physio… hope you will feel good soon…
On those times I always trying to do another type of sport…
Everyone knows this and no one means that