"Fake It Till You Make It" combined with "Hustle" mentality is ruining our country. amirite?

Sorry, who's country is being ruined? No specification.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

To this point, several countries...

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Malawi

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Probably quite a few.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I faked it until I made it and then I quietly quit, would absolutely do it again.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

because this is the way to do it my friend ☝🏼You quit once the jobs done 👏🏼

by Anonymous 1 year ago

what's "our country"?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I also go to Chinese sites used mostly by Chinese citizens and get upset when someone talks about China.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I believe in fake it till you make it. It's the only way I've gotten through some really hard times in my life.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

America: #15 in education, #1 in confidence. Hold our beer

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Wait till your surgeon mention that his or her mantra is fake it till you make it.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

So... Which country?? Just kidding, only an American would call their own country "our country" on a worldwide forum

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Which country?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Ironically usa which is build by the motto OP dispice

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Nah. Overconfidence and hard work will get you way further than the opposite

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Overconfidence is called arrogance. Not the same as being confident lol.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Yeah. And arrogance gets you further than the opposite

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Arrogance is usually bred from insecurity

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Literally the whole point. Someone who is insecure will go farther acting confident than dwelling on their insecurities.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Yeah, for a time, but pride always comes before destruction. Also, being insecure and being arrogant aren't the only two options😂

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Literally 10 times out of 10.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I consider myself a fairly honest person. If I say something, there is usually no "hidden meaning" behind it. For that reason, the whole "fake it til you make it" advice doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. If I'm not feeling confident about something, why can't I just say it? Why do I have to wear a mask around people and put on a show? I feel like if more people were simply direct with each-other, the world would be a better place. Screw these pretentious social mind-games.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I mean then people who lie take advantage

by Anonymous 1 year ago

yeah, I hate that issue too. It drove me absolutely insane at my old job, and it really effected my mental health. I had to take responsibility for that though. The world isn't perfect, and I can only control the controllable. You have to be the change you want to see, and maybe recontextualize your judgements. It's easy to assume the worst, or not see somethings intrinsic value when it's violating your sense of what is correct, but what is correct varies a lot per person. Sometimes you have to trust that everyone has their role to fill, or time will take care of the issue. In any case, the only lesson I ever learned on this front is don't let it effect me, or how I go about my work. Continually be the one who sets the good example, and other people will also notice you aren't the one faking it till you make it, but you are the one continually improving and showing real dedication to your craft.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I concur. I worked in a $50 million company that was driven into the ground because people from the Executive Officers to the Creative Director tried to fake it until they couldn't make it.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Lol no it's not.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

The reason someone would resort to faking it till they make it is because an employer is gatekeeping a position behind several years of experience bc they don't want to train anyone.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

That's not gatekeeping. That's being sensible.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Ok bro. It's totally sensible to require 3-5 years' experience for an entry-level job or an internship that most people can probably do in their sleep once they're told the process…

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Doesn't want to train anyone? Or expects the people they hire to have studied the field they're being hired for. Oh, let me train this scientist how to do science. Get real TikToker.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Another who apparently doesn't understand the point of an entry-level job/internship. They are for college students or recent college grads. They're not hiring scientists. They're typically hiring office staff for clerical/customer service/sales roles…

by Anonymous 1 year ago

What is this our country?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

read USA obviously...

by Anonymous 1 year ago

"Ruining the country"? Really?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

That and captialism/individualism ruined the western world as a whole and I'm kinda here for it

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Nah, I actually agree with the fake it til you make it mentality

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Can you give an example of this?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

You don't know what you don't know. Imagine being afraid to move forward if your not 100%. The world would end. Fake til you make it allows people to move forward. Learning as they go. Obviously ppl can abuse this mentality if they aren't making an effort to make it.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

It's been ruining it for almost 250 years now, apparently.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I'd rather more ppl had a "hustle" mentality than a "I'm just gonna collect a government check and take fentanyl" mentality.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I had to fake it until I made it at my retail job. As soon as I got another job offer, I bolted.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

"Fake It Till You Make It"? catchy indie boyband-style song by DREAMERS

by Anonymous 1 year ago

You sure it isn't climate change or rightwing proto fascism?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Well yeah it promotes debt slavery and consumerism. It keeps the economy running

by Anonymous 1 year ago

everyone has their own idea of what's ruining the country

by Anonymous 1 year ago

In my country there's a saying: "l'occasione fa l'uomo ladro". Which translates into "opportunity makes thieves". This human tendency is never decreasing, because, as opportunistic animals, it's wired into us. On the other hand, though, we're increasingly tending towards an ultra-free, ultra-trustworthy, ultra-sugarcoated society that will only create more and more gaps through which this can flow. There's really no right answer to this. It's a frail balance that will always pull towards one of the two sides. You'll never completely fix these aspects, not even just one of the two.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

It's not "hustlers" who are becoming incompetent managers. It's ass kissers. The same as it's always been.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

What? Who uses that to justify being lazy? I only ever hear it used to tell people to stay miserable in the hopes that one day they will "make it." What you've described doesn't make any sense

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Cheat it till you beat it.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Sometimes you gotta go through it to learn it..

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Can someone give me some examples? I just don't see how this can work with someone not knowing something...how do you pretend to have experience, knowledge or skill you do not actually have? thanks.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

This seems harder now where every half decent job requires specific qualifications and many years of provable direct experience .. I'm sure some time ago it was much easier to BS your way up

by Anonymous 1 year ago

The 'fake it til you make it' mentality sucks. Makes interviewing an absolute nightmare cause you have to try and filter out all the people who lie or exaggerate on their resume. Its like 70% of people.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

"Our" country?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

cheat til u make it is how i got through online college. got my first good job and how i still have one u gotta learn which rules can be broken without the right people noticing. there is an art to it my friend. work smarter not harder xD

by Anonymous 1 year ago

The hustle thing I agree with. But we're ALL faking it till we make it. We're all navigating this earth not knowing wtf all this means

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Depends I guess. But many times I was thrown in the deep end told "figure it out" so with confidence I got better till I was the best at it.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

cheat and steal one to beat the real one

by Anonymous 1 year ago

"Cheat until you make it" is how nature works tho. Sad to say but if it comes to protecting and feeding my family you can damn sure bet I will use every ounce of deception and deflecting I can to ensure I still get paid and the job gets done. Much of our work is contrived to begin with.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

In my observation it's more like "you fake it, I fix it"

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I never liked the term, it's a skeevy way of saying ‘learning on the job'. I get the sentiment, but you should never have to lie about your abilities, in my field in tech, you'd get yourself in a pickle real quick. I do agree though that learning on the job should be encouraged, if you feel totally comfortable with what you're doing it means you've already mastered the job and aren't learning anymore. You should always feel a little out of your comfort level if you want to keep moving up.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Do you mean USA? Well USA has many many problems, needless to say. This mentality, taken to an extreme anyway, has always been a problem in certain places and in sectors of the USA machine. The full-on fakes get away with a lot for a long time. And even Tony Robbins has always had a lot of this thing. A lot of pushy, aggressive greed - this is fundamentally American - the ugly American. And, well you know who, the prior president, is also an obvious extreme of this mentality. A nation like France or like Peru may not have this problem in this way, not being places where entrepreneurialism as we know it here is much of a thing. But then you find other problems.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

No. Humanity is ruining our country.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Yes, and "fake it till you make it" people should have "fake it till you make it" doctors when they get sick. Paolo Macchiarini is good enough for those who deceive their business partners.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Hardly. There's no way that the types of people enchanted by these ideas were ever going to make an impact on the world to begin with. No purveyors of progress are being lost to "hustle" culture.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Everyone is faking it. Even supposed competent people. They always have been.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

how exactly is this an unpopular opinion?

by Anonymous 1 year ago