Because tomato sauce is liquid, pizza is technically soup. amirite?

The definition of soup: > a liquid dish, typically made by boiling meat, fish, or vegetables, etc., in stock or water Considering 0% of a pizza is boiled in stock or water, I'm not sure how it can "technically" be considered a soup.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

Creating tomato sauce requires stewing of tomatoes, aka bringing them to a boil and simmering on low. It is then placed into the crust, which has raised, bowl-like edges, and then baked with cheese, meat and vegetables akin to French Onion Soup. In other words, pizza involves boiling.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

By this logic, if I dip chicken strips in ketchup, it's now soup.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

That's liquid on a convex surface. Soup is liquid on a concave surface. You'd have to tear the chicken strip in half in such a way that you'd have a divet in which to put the ketchup.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

Being convex/concave doesn't have anything to do with soup though. If I spill soup on the floor, it's still soup.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

If I spill soup on a pizza crust, is it still soup, or does it become pizza?

by Anonymous 9 months ago

As I have pointed out, pizza is soup, therefore the distinction is moot.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

If I drop pizza, which is established as soup, and lands face-down, slightly concave, is the earth now soup?

by Anonymous 9 months ago

The Earth is already soup, it's 70% covered in chilled fish broth.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

Are you still going to eat it? Because unless you're gonna suck that soup off the floor, it leave the realm of food entirely, and becomes trash, a different discussion.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

Pizza is a salad. A composed salad to be exact. It contains ingredients that are mixed together, and can be mixed without changing the dish.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

No. Pizza is not boiled. If anything it is roasted. And the tomato CAN be boiled into a sauce, but it can also be blended or the tomato can be left whole. Even if there sauce were boiled it's unlikely water was added since the desired effect of boiling is to remove water to thicken the sauce; so you are not boiling them in stock or water…you are boiling them in their own juices to remove the water…the exact opposite of what you do for a soup.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

Blended with roasted tomatoes and no water added without boiling is gazpacho. A soup.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

A gazpacho is blended and then strained to remove the solids, I.e. — separating the liquid from the the solids and pitching the solids…which is the exact opposite of simmering tomato sauce where you separate the water from the solids but keep the solids. Blended tomato is still a tomato….just blended. I don't know if even you agree that a tomato is a soup. Regardless your base assumption is that pizza requires a sauce, which it does not. So your logic is faulty and based on wrong assumptions.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

You don't separate the solids and liquids for tomato sauce, you thicken and then blend it. It's actually remarkably similar to how gazpacho is made. Also, none of the gazpacho recipes I've read call for straining, because they use Roma tomatoes, whose seeds aren't especially big and get ground up in the blending process. Pizza without sauce is an open faced sandwich. Pizza with sauce is soup.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

Please describe to me how reducing a sauce to thicken it is not separating liquids from solids

by Anonymous 9 months ago

Naaaah. If the dough was inside the sauce, maybe. Since the sauce is on the dough, pizza cannot be soup, no matter how you look at it.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

Tomato sauce is more like a paste than an actual liquid.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

Tomato paste is its own thing, tomato sauce is a liquid.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

You're 60% water, does that make you bone broth?

by Anonymous 9 months ago

The material comprising most of the liquid is plasma, lymph and various aqueous fluids all contained within a polymer shell, which makes you a squeezable electrolyte pack.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

So yeah, bone broth. That's what bone broth would say...

by Anonymous 9 months ago

*more like*. I don't use extraneous words, and you're ignoring words I've chosen to utilize.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

But tomato paste is its own product, distinctively more paste-like than tomato sauce, which is a liquid.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

But sauce != liquid. The proper definition of words is important otherwise there's no value in language.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

Sauce is a liquid, because it is neither solid nor gas.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

It's a pureed solid suspended in liquid. It's not purely liquid or solid.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

Tomato sauce occupies the shape of its container, and has a defined freezing and boiling point, fitting the definition of a liquid.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

> Tomato sauce occupies the shape of its container Depends on the thickness of the sauce. > has a defined freezing and boiling point All matter has a defined freezing and boiling point.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

All tomato sauce occupies the shape of its container. Unless it's frozen, your tomato sauce will eventually occupy the space of the jar. You're correct on that one. I should say that tomato sauce, at ambient temperature, is between its boiling and freezing point, the definition for liquid.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

Liquid pizza sauce is lame. Mine is chunky and thick.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

Different strokes, different folks.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

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by Anonymous 9 months ago

I don't know what conversation you're replying to, but it's clearly not this one.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

That tomato sauce is no longer soup when it is spread thinly on dough, covered in cheese, and cooked in an oven. Whole > sum of parts

by Anonymous 9 months ago

Which would mean that cereal is also soup. So is every single form of sauce it seems. I put A1 sauce on a steak, is that also soup now?

by Anonymous 9 months ago

Cereal is soup. Because you're putting the liquid onto a convex surface, it become a condiment and therefore a sandwich. If your steak were sufficiently concave, it would be soup.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

That's not the definition of soup, but sure, you do you.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

The definition of soup is malleable.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

Since the pizza sauce is thick and it's on bread, it's more like a stew.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

Valid.

by Anonymous 9 months ago

I support you 100% OP, don't let the haters get you down

by Anonymous 9 months ago

It's only soup if you have it Chicago deep dish style. Italian style pizza is very much not a soup, not only is the tomato sauce not a liquid, the pizza itself isn't a bowl.

by Anonymous 9 months ago