+10 EVs will never become dominant over gasoline powered vehicles. amirite?

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Hybrids make way more sense than fully electric vehicles. You don't need to install an expensive charger, you don't have range issues, and they generally don't cost $80k+. For the most part, the electric vehicles that are currently available are insanely expensive and are mostly a status symbol for wealthy people.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

EVs also have zero towing capacity (yes, I know they can tow some things but very min weight)

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Ford F150 Lightning lists a 7700 lb towing capacity. My guess is that it has more powerful motors and battery output than it would normally need to achieve this. That just makes it a design choice. Also plenty of cars and SUVS have minimal towing capacity.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

What's the range on that F150 for max towing capacity? Consumers buy the big trucks for load capacity (yes, I know some people buy them because they look cool)

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Agree 100%. I'd have bought a hybrid if there was one available that I liked. Replacement batteries are still a concern, but I too think those prices will come down and they solve the other issues.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Much like Apple products, EVs are fine and dandy until they break. And you'll see how much e-waste once all those batteries invariably have to be replaced and thrown out because they haven't figured recycling yet or the recycled units drastically reduce your range.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

In case you didn't know gas powered vehicles also have batteries that create waste, so this is kind of a moot point since gas powered vehicles create arguable more waste battery wise when you consider a lead-acid battery lasts 2-5 years Lithium Ion batteries are also readily available for gas vehicles as well as motorcycles, these are not specifically an EV type of battery

by Anonymous 7 months ago

I've said it before and will say again. Big parts of a planet will not transfer from petrol cars to EVs. They will return to horses and oxen. Simply because the infrastructure is not and will never be there. EV is nice in a city, useless in more remote areas.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Parts of the world are STILL reliant on horses and oxen. I'm looking at you, India.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

India is not the only one. Still motor vehicles have lessened that dependency. If rich urban West keeps pushing EV, these "good" old times of de-mechanization will simply come back. Greens will be happy and millions will die.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Reminds me of those famous quotes calling trains and electricity just passing fads. EVs are far from perfect, but research is ongoing and it will improve them. To say nothing of the fact that fossil fuels are a finite resource which will run out, even if we're pigheaded enough to keep burning them. Saying "never" in this context seems very shortsighted.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Everything is finite—lithium too—but I'm not making an environmental argument anyway. I'm also not calling it a fad and, in fact, said the exact opposite. I call it a "luxury," and not just because of current cost, but also because of the lack of infrastructure, electric grid reliability and demand, time/nuisance of charging, buyer psychology and living arrangements that limit charging opportunities (eg, renters, city dwellers who park on streets, apartments, etc). And "never" need not be read literally. Let's just agree to never "in our lifetime," okay? As for "research is ongoing," that's fine. Research is ongoing with fossil fuels and combustion engines too. So what? Indeed, I imagine research is ongoing with teleporting, jet packs and time travel as well.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

EVs are okay, but I just think hydrogen is much better technology and would be an easier transition than EVs. Added bonus is we wouldn't make China rich while destroying our own economy.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

"Never" is a long time.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Can we agree "in our lifetime"?

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Indeed, the way forward is investment in public transport + walkable cities. Electric cars are just a way for the auto industry to greewash itself while convincing the rest of us to hand them even more of our hard earned money.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

I have no desire to live in the city. 20-30 min drive from one is about right. Close enough for work but far enough I can live in a big SFH on some acreage.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

You can live where you want. Who's saying otherwise?

by Anonymous 7 months ago

I don't really get the point of walkable city, every city is walkable if you're fir enough, but no one want to walk several kilometers everyday, actually no one wants.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

The whole point of walkable cities is that you can get groceries and do basic errands without having to walk several kilometers every day.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Automobiles are a fad, radio is a fad, internet is a fad, computers is a fad, etc. Just sit down and let time take ita course old man

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Never said it was a fad. Read.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Already have an electric toaster.... don't need another one with a motor.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Can't haul a bale of hay more than half a mile away, i'll tell yew wut

by Anonymous 7 months ago

"Man will never reach the moon regardless of all future scientific advances." -Dr. Lee Forest "There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home." -Ken Olsen

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Lol this isn't an unpopular opinion. It's a popular stupid ignorant opinion.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Never say never. Right NOW & for the immediate future, EV won't be dominant over ICE vehicles, but as we all know, technology progresses & someday EVs might surpass ICE.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

EVs may not dominate in the short term, but in the long term, they are the future. As technology improves and infrastructure expands, more people will switch to EVs. Plus, the environmental benefits cannot be ignored. It's important to start making the transition now.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

i'm sure the same people said the internet will never be good. Look where we are many years later. EVs will evolve and become cheaper over time

by Anonymous 7 months ago

I don't believe you. Like any of it. Like at all.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Yeah. And the father of nuclear physics said that generating power by splitting the atom, was moonshine. The lesson is that you shouldn't be so hasty with your skeptical predictions about technological advancement.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

In Norway. Most cars sold here are electric.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

In India and China almost none are … so?

by Anonymous 7 months ago

We deal with a lot of car companies at work. It's really being pushed. The companies would love to not make an 8 or 9 speed transmission, or an exhaust, or cylinder heads and then charge the same price with fewer parts. We'll see how many ICE vehicles they make as the transition happens. That being said, it's not going to be as quick as they say

by Anonymous 7 months ago

I think we are still 10 years away from them becoming mainstream and the norm.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Serious doublethink here. You say EVs will never take over, yet your evidence is based on today's technology. See your problem?

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Yup. But my crystal ball only sees so much. I've been noodling on this all day too, driving by apartment complexes, parking garages, etc. The infrastructure alone is going to make what I say true. But, to your point, we can dream a bit. How about we develop some kind of alternative charging mechanism (eg, like something in wireless charging) into roads. Or massively increase solar charging capacity and build into the paint of vehicles? I guess there are dream-solutions, but I don't see it happening in our lifetimes. To paraphrase Bill Gates, "most people overestimate what can be done in 5 years, but underestimate what can be done in 10." I'm a "person," so maybe I'm underestimating what can be done in 10 years. We'll see. By then supposed government mandates will kick in, but those mandates only apply to sales of vehicles—they do not include infrastructure. The US cannot even get it's bridges and roads up to date, hard to see them allocating money for EVs, especially since they'd mostly be needed on private property. Again, I think the world will go towards hybrid technology and that will dominate. But full EVs will remain a luxury.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

You said never. I said BS. You are categorically wrong.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

I humbly accept your superiority.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Good.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Lololol they said the same thing about the internal combustion engine

by Anonymous 7 months ago

It will happen, sorry. All of these issues are getting ironed out, manufacturers are focussing on electric. This I found funny >Indeed, "battery anxiety" is a thing too. I was testing an EV and it had 40% battery life left (without AC!). It occurred to me that, if the car was mine, I'd constantly worry about keeping it charged whereas I never have to worry about finding a gas station. As you may find lots of places in the future to charge a car, but asking for gasoline would be like asking for some more paraffin for your lamp .

by Anonymous 7 months ago

There's a finite amount of fossil fuels in the world and never is a long time

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Well, we're gonna run out of oil eventually, so it's pretty much inevitable that EVs will overtake gasoline eventually

by Anonymous 7 months ago

What you say basically mirrors what the horse and buggy crew said about cars. I agree that for the foreseeable future there will be segments best served by ICE. However, a huge number of people are better off with EV's. We currently have one plug in hybrid and two ICE vehicles. The plug in is fantastic, just wish the battery had a little more range. But out here in the sticks we are getting great mileage and largely charge it at our off grid place. One of the ICE's is what we call around here a ridge runner, used for local transport. Could be an EV and will be someday. The other is a 4WD adventure van. Looks like that will be ICE for a long time to come.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

EVs will eventually dominate. Battery tech will improve and prices will come down to the point where they're more economical and more versatile. Gas stations will be harder to find than charging stations, and charging technology will be faster. That will be the tipping point. I'm with you, I wouldn't buy one now because of the limited range. I drive a lot. But eventually...

by Anonymous 7 months ago

You have some good points but it's still early years of adoption. The tech and charging infrastructure will get better. Grid shortages is a seperate issue that should be fixed regardless of EVs. I'm just thankful there is no longer a fossil fuel monopoly on vehicles.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Automobiles will never replace horse and buggy. They're way too expensive and with so few petrol stations your range is severely limited. What about people that don't live near suitable roads? Or people that cannot afford to repair them? Let alone pay for gasoline all the time? Fad

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Are you really just incapable of understanding that technology improves, and that technological improvement can address literally every issue you listed.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Just a matter of time

by Anonymous 7 months ago

I don't think your opinion is unpopular at all.

by Anonymous 7 months ago