+152 Professionalism, especially with regard to stringent dress codes, is outdated and nonsensical, amirite?

by Anonymous 6 months ago

Wearing clothes is a social construct. Not being cannibalistic is a social construct. Make your argument, but leave that out.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

This is a horrendous idea. Less and less workplaces makes you wear a tie these days, which is the real problem with suits anyway. But, like, have you ever seen how people treat you when you have a suit on versus when you don't? That's why people dress up for work.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

I was always told by my gram you treat the janitor in smocks with the same amount of respect as the CEO in a suit.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

I've worked in government and at a financial institution and nobody actually wears suits unless they are doing some kind of public event. Like on any given day the CEO will be walking around in a button down and slacks.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

I swear to God anybody who insists they're treated better in a suit has to have the most bummy casual style, or are actually just suit obsessed and seeing ghosts.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

>But, like, have you ever seen how people treat you when you have a suit on versus when you don't? That's why people dress up for work. can we learn to admit how stupid this is? if you treat me better because i dressed up then i want nothing to do with you

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Depends on the setting I guess. Probably wouldn't be a good idea for an attorney to show up in court in his pajamas

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Seriously why is it "Suit or Pajamas" There's so many degrees of clothing between those two.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

so T-shirt and jean then. is that better?

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Makes a lot more sense as something people are more likely to wear. Mostly I was tired of being dragged for using the PJ example that was not my example.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Strajety!!

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Mutual respect enabling more positive collaboration and progress is timeless

by Anonymous 7 months ago

We do it because we want others to do it.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

If it's a job where you are regularly interacting with clients and the public, I don't necessarily mind a dress code, depending on the field. But if it's the kind of job where you're just on a computer or on the phone all day and nobody outside the company sees you, you should be able to wear whatever you want.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Most companies have relaxed their dress codes anyway. I work in accounting and just wear an untucked polo & jeans every day. Hardly anyone in our office wears a suit & tie, not even the execs.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

It's not a matter of Boomer anything. No one wants to buy food from a guy who looks like he carries more diseases than the rat he just stomped on. Nobody wants to buy a car or appliance from a guy who hasn't mastered the basic concept of pants, and nobody wants to do regular business with someone who looks like they reek of rancid milk and their own urine. What is or isn't "professional" changes (believe me, it's a lot more lax, these days), but basic precepts of acceptable dress are pretty solid. (Source: I used to think the same way, until I learned the hard way that businesses don't set the dress code, they just conform to it.)

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Grooming and dress are related, but they aren't the same thing. In fact, I'd argue that you can get away with being underdressed a lot of the time as long as you take care of yourself everywhere else.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

The way the world works, is you're more than free to start a business without any such strict dress code. If others actually see it as a big deal like you do, you'll find you can attract better talent for less money (since the lack of strict dress code is worth something to them), and then you make more profits from better understanding people than current business owners. Good luck.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Firstly. Love that the fact society got us to this point that people like you can have a moan about having to dress nice. So you'd allow your employees to wear bikinis?

by Anonymous 7 months ago

I think most people are talking about wearing a T-shirt and jeans to work rather than a bikini, but maybe I'm wrong.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

I just making the point that he'll still have rules based on social norms.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

yea h but the dress code isn't for most people. every office job ive had , polo and non wrinkled jeans w=or better were fine , if the pay were higher im sure we have been expected to wear button up and slacks. but if i made that kidn of money id wear button ups and slacks anyway , because i care about my opinion and want to be seen as professional. but the guy that wears a heavy metal band t shirt every day . that guy has to be told what to wear .

by Anonymous 7 months ago

>but if i made that kidn of money id wear button ups and slacks anyway i wouldn't. i don't care what people think of me

by Anonymous 7 months ago

you do if you want a raise lol

by Anonymous 7 months ago

I suppose it won't be fine as long as it wasn't a health and safety hazard

by Anonymous 7 months ago

I have to say I agree with OP. That, and "nicer" clothes are more expensive in general. If a company wants you in a uniform, they should be providing that for you or providing a reasonable allowance for you to purchase the needed items. If they want you in a button down shirt and tie, jacket, slacks and nice shoes, the pay better well compensate it. At a corporate level where salaries start around the 100k level and up (for the US as example), it's reasonable to expect you to be wearing "nicer" clothing, such as possibly polos and khakis (as a baseline example, other reasonable options exist), but a suit or dress daily can be damn expensive and unnecessary for any "office" environment. Expecting those working in service jobs such as retail, car rental etc to be in expensive clothing when the pay and amenities do zero to compensate is idiocy.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

Ok, so slovenly wins the day? Pajamas fridays? Nope.

by Anonymous 7 months ago

why nope?

by Anonymous 7 months ago

business dress codes arent for you, there form the dude 3 cubicles away that would wear paint cover jeans with a wife beater every day if we let him.

by Anonymous 7 months ago