+32 Art school should be way more exclusive. amirite?

by No-Carpenter-1846 4 weeks ago

be art school charge 60k only 1 person out of 10 has talent still gets 600k per 10 people. can sing praises of the few people that make it in life "look we helped them get there" casually forget the majority of students who graduate and work in unrelated fields. repeat

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Sounds like any tertiary education to be fair

by brandtcarroll 4 weeks ago

We are currently living in a world that doesn't value education purely for the sake of education. Humanities education isn't supposed to get you a job in a humanities field. It's supposed to teach you how to analyze information and understand the broader context of the world we live in.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

On the flip side, so many companies treat a degree as a filtering mechanism for jobs that don't actually need one, it was inevitable to end up where we are.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

The way you put it as a filtering mechanism I've been trying to say this for years. It's only a way to keep certain people from applying I guess. I wanted to apply for seasonal work as a ghost tour guide for my city. I have authentic looking Victorian clothing, I speak well and clearly and I actually lived in one of the houses on the tour. But they said I needed an associates degree. Tbf I could see if they wanted acting experience, but why an unrelated associates degree to simply tell ghost stories and walk around in costume? You'd think an audition would be good enough.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

An associate's degree for ghost tours? Holy crap, that is ridiculous.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

In their defense, having a high school diploma no longer a guarantees you can read and write..

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

College to many is just a life stage and nothing more. Half my fraternity brothers went to work for their dads/family companies. Another example is a girl I dated who told me her plan was to graduate, have a kid and then be a stay at home mom. Not like until they're in school, like forever. I asked what the point of a degree was and we broke up.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Right? I always laugh at people who look down on their noses at those who study the very thing that defines our species.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

I don't look down my nose at them, but I am probably going to hire them.

by Dandreruecker 4 weeks ago

It's not that we don't value education for its own sake. It's that we see the consequences of going deep into debt to obtain such an education. If you're going to take on a ton of student debt in order to become a dentist I'm all for it. Good idea! If you're going to dig yourself a $100,000 hole in order to learn how to "analyze information and understand the broader context of the world we live in" I would call that folly.

by jonatanokuneva 4 weeks ago

The fact that you need to consider the crushing debt of education confirms their point.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Community College exists. You don't need to go to a prestigious $50k/yr art university to pursue the arts.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

The STEM fields would beg to differ.

by pricekaley 4 weeks ago

I'm a business grad in a finance-related industry and boy do we have a lot of chemical and mechanical engineers applying for jobs here. Damn if they were going to work in an unrelated job then at least if it were something more interesting like art it would be less of a waste than 4 years studying engineering and never touching it again.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

When we were at university we used to joke about industrial engineering being a 4 year course on being in charge.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

An engineering degree is a proof in problem solving ability, and that's why it's generally more accepted to transition an engineering grad into non-engineering related roles. To graduate from engineering it's very "figure it out or fail", so companies know that if you've gone through most engineering programs then you've got the ability to do the research to figure it out.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Idk, the banks here in Singapore send people to hire in Humanities school too. I have friends who took the most fluff of humanities courses who got hired by Big 4 consultancies and are making decent money.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Oh, I totally understand. One of my friends here in LA went to a prestigious school and studied literature. He immediately went into investment banking and makes 10x the median income for the area. It's just harder than coming from an engineering background.

by Ellieprohaska 4 weeks ago

That also tends to be the value of a prestigious school. Graduating with an engineering degree proves you can think. So does being accepted to Stanford.

by Miserable_Cattle_651 4 weeks ago

Engineering and physics are literally magnitudes harder than any other major. Chemistry and math are even harder lol

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Think you can walk a music degree at national conservatory?

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

I have a chemistry and math degree, never taken business or accounting. The banking industry also loved my chemistry and math degrees. Neither are relevant to my daily job but developing critical thinking skills is what they care about.

by Capital-Contact 4 weeks ago

There are three types of engineering students in college: 1) True engineers. They either have talent or are willing to take a pay cut to stay in engineering. 2) Engineer to management. They plan to go into management almost immediately after graduation. 3) Good at math or science. They are good at math or science, but they could have also been a doctors, accountant, financial analyst, etc. Only the first group stays in engineering. The rest move on at some point.

by roelgrady 4 weeks ago

boy do we have a lot of chemical and mechanical engineers applying for jobs here Finance shops like people who are adept at math. You know who are really adept at math? Engineers. Finance shops also like educated people who understand how to build and interpret intricate designs? You know who really understand how to build and interpret intricate designs? Engineers. Finance shops also like to hire economics and math majors for these same reasons. Basically, finance businesses like to hire smart people from all sorts of disciplines because a lot of them apply well to finance.

by Individual_Parsnip 4 weeks ago

When someone has an engineering degree, it is indicative of someone who is smart, organized and used to hard work. My chem Eng degree taught me how to solve problems. I went to med school after and it was easier than engineering school. I've never "used" my degree" but It was extraordinary training for what I do.

by Shanel19 4 weeks ago

Engineering is a lot of work for medium pay. Every engineering grad looks over at the finance industry after a few years of 9-5 asking themselves how

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

And yet engineering degrees on a resume crush most other degrees :)

by Only_Hospital 4 weeks ago

I'm an Earth Science major who taught for many years, but now does tons of graphic design work, lol

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Especially the S and the M. A lot of the traditional paths for, say, a chemistry degree just don't hire like they used to.

by Ugreenfelder 4 weeks ago

why is it 'shocking'? Universities are supposed to be about education, not 'career'.

by Aggravating_Base 4 weeks ago

Unless it's someone studying art. Then it's all sorts of judgments about practical career success.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Because STEMlords refuse to believe they aren't the only people getting a good education.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

And as someone in Software Dev, a lot of the best people I've worked with either have a dual major that is part non-STEM, or not are not STEM at all. Some of the worst people I've worked with are STEMlords who believe they're the only smart person in the room.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

You mean steAm? Give it a few more years and you will be engineering the perfect banana taped to a wall ever.

by Subject_Director 4 weeks ago

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by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

steAm must be the stupidest acronym ever. It defeats the whole purpose of stem.

by pricekaley 4 weeks ago

Unless you get your masters and PhD for most of them, you're just an over qualified barista too. I know. I have a degree in the STEM field and joined the military instead.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

I heard that getting your PhD in engineering is only advisable if you want to go into academia or do research.

by Kaylee12 4 weeks ago

Oh boy, do you have no idea what happens to STEM grads if you think thats the case

by aracelijenkins 4 weeks ago

This was my exact experience when I went back to college in my 30s for an IT degree after already having gotten a music degree in my 20s. Most of my classmates couldn't program their way out of a paper bag. Now, I do recognize that not all IT/CS jobs require high level programming skills, but these people could barely write Fizz-buzz, and the school was more than happy to pass them along and collect the tuition checks, thank you very much.

by Rae08 4 weeks ago

I've also taken courses where normally everyone technically failed but the bell curve made it so people passed

by Top-Article 4 weeks ago

When I heard they were losing their jobs over that it made me so f****** happy

by shayneokeefe 4 weeks ago

Oh you went to SCAD too?

by Evening_Tadpole 4 weeks ago

As an art college attendee, this has definitely been my experience.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

I went to art school. My passion was photography and photography alone. I wasn't much of a drawer, painter, sculptor, or anything else to do with art. I was still required to take classes in drawing, painting, pottery, 3D sculpting, performance art, and every other kind of art you can imagine. There I was with zero skill trying to keep up with some of the most talented artists I had ever met. And my work hung up in the walls just the same as theirs.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

I went too and was the opposite, hilariously bad at photography. SO so SO bad. You know what I found was different? Photography kids had a shot at nicely lying " No... really.... it's um ok honest ". Some of the art students were too competitive to go that far with each other. I'm an ok artist. Pretty convinced photography is an eye. You either have it or you don't. Which makes me fascinated by good photos.

by Schimmelbonnie 4 weeks ago

Hey that sounds like my English BA I just say it references the bible, find the suitable verse, and the corrector orgasms

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Hold on, let me commission a sculptor real quick

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

and my work hung up in the walls just the same as theirs I have this image in my mind where you have all these fantastic artists making these paintings, and then there's the one awkward painting of a sun in the corner, and a flower, and a stick figure smiling. Like something you'd make in 5th grade

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

I wish you were further off than you actually are

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Does the sun have a smiley face on it

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Yeah I was in a production management program at an art school and woof was i untalented… still had to take all the art classes which I loved but it was definitely humbling. One fond memory of a guy I dated. We were in the same painting class. I slaved away for 2 sleepless weeks on a project, pulling all nighters trying to get it finished. He strolled into the studio the night before it was due and created an amazing gorgeous piece in a few hours. Really spectacular work. Then just strolled out and got a full nights sleep lol

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Agreed, I'm doing a psychology degree but it's a BA so I have to do a bunch of arts classes as well. Did photography and loved it, going to have to do either painting/sculpting/drawing to finish my requirements and I already know I'm going to be hanging a bucket of coffee beans from the ceiling. Some of us don't get a choice.

by Wise-Consequence8380 4 weeks ago

I wrapped tin foil around cardboard and hung it up in the woods. A+

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Was this at degree level? I've heard in America (I've also assumed you're American, please correct me) degrees are initially more varied than uk degrees As far as I'm aware you could just do a photography degree- there may be some parts which might not be purely photography (idk haven't done a photography degree) but at least everyone would be in the same boat Tbf I'm not sure if art foundation courses are mostly required, which would lead to the problem you've mentioned for a year

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

No after two world wars we have to let everyone in.

by Danialturcotte 4 weeks ago

Adolf loved drawing buildings, he should have been an architect. Too bad that art schools at the time only wants portrait artists.

by Mspinka 4 weeks ago

we'll go thing for you that the architecture was a minimalistic approach to neoclassical architecture called starved neoclassicalism which looks ugly in comparison imo.

by No-Mood-9047 4 weeks ago

Being on a first name basis with Hitler is kinda weird

by Current-Stand4540 4 weeks ago

That's Mr Hitler to you

by Ok-Space-3250 4 weeks ago

"What ever happened to that Adolf boy?" *attends rally* "Ohhhh."

by miller10 4 weeks ago

Didn't he WANT to be a portrait artists despite being bad at drawing people and rejected the advice that he go onto architecture which got him rejected?

by NewEstablishment 4 weeks ago

He was advised to apply for architecture, but he never did it because it required math courses which he lacked.

by Worried_Brilliant 4 weeks ago

Not really. There's no argument whatsoever for Hitler contributing to cause WW1. He was a young soldier.

by Brilliant_Thanks 4 weeks ago

DID WE NOT LEARN ANYTHING FROM THAT ONE AUSTRIAN GUY? AT LEAST GIVE THEM A PARTICIPATION AWARD

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Good point!

by No-Carpenter-1846 4 weeks ago

Nah bro, leave art school as it is. Once you graduate and start looking for a job it becomes a bloodbath that I wouldn't wish upon anyone. Let creatives be able to enjoy it at least at some stage of their living

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

I have a LOT of friends who work in "the arts." Most of them aren't rich, but very few of them wish they were working in an office building, dealing with middle management and filing reports.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

I've always said there's art and there's craft. Sometimes they coincide but they are not inherent in each other.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Art comes after craft. Art without craft is just meaningless.

by pearlie28 4 weeks ago

Art without craft is just meaning

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

I actually remember several college preparation videos and such, saying at the end of any segments about art courses, that you don't have to be a Michaelangelo to succeed. Some people are always gonna create more sophisticated works of art than others.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Always been exclusive that's why Hitler didn't make it πŸ˜…

by Jodiegoldner 4 weeks ago

Did someone say β€˜art school'. I've got the perfect joke! Real hilarious and original stuff guys.

by Aurelieprohaska 4 weeks ago

Art isn't supposed to be just highly detailed Oil paintings. I understand your frustrated that some art works don't require more refined technique or long hours but some of the best art works today were probably talked about in a similar sense. Even look at Pop Art as an example. Screen printing is far "easier" to learn but the point of the art is for it to be mass produced and printable. You have your tastes and can dislike whatever but I'd say there's a good chance that these artists are actually talented and they are exploring different concepts and experimenting with form.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Dont bring any reason in here. Contemporary art is a no go since it's only for snobs and money laundering s/ Im not a big fan art of the stylistic choice most of the time either but saying that it just sucks so bad/doesn't have any effort in it and going full on bandwagon when you never even tried to understand its concept is pretty shallow imo.

by Marquardtnewell 4 weeks ago

They look down on non-stem majors for whatever stupid reason, probably because they are boring people who find non-stem pursuits too difficult, and therefore not worthwhile That's secretly my opinion. I'm a software developer by trade and a musician by passion, and i've always found engineering insanely easy compared to art. It works or it doesn't, if it doesn't that means you just have to learn some information which is probably readily available on the internet. Learning hard concepts is easy, even a monkey can do that. On the other hand, when a piece of art doesn't work it's a lot more work ! Sometimes you'll have to spend years collecting life experiences to get over the hump, or immerse yourself deeply in a genre to understand where it's coming from, or achieve some copernican revolution to change the way you relate to the piece and its inspiration. It requires deep and uncompromising intellectual effort, not just the application of some memorized skills and math formulas.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Nah, just hamparte.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

The last time art school was extremely exclusive, we had an egomaniac art school reject run roughshod over all of Europe. The price we pay from freedom, peace and prosperity is bad art, which i can live with. But for a real answer, art school seems to filled either with people who genuinely want to be artists (who make good art) or with people who think they "know art" and use it as a vent for their nihilistic youth-spurred cringiness. This is just conjecture and is not meant to demean art students πŸ™.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

use it as a vent for their nihilistic youth-spurred cringiness. Tbf as a business school student I couldn't tell if you were referring to business school or art school

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

a lot of canonized art is just nihilistic youth-spurred cringiness, it just stood the test of time, something that one cannot predict

by plockman 4 weeks ago

Dude is trying to start WW3.

by Gulgowskijana 4 weeks ago

Art is not about skill or skillfull expression of a craft. Art is a defintion of creative work and expression. Some of the most important pieces of art, like Malewitsch' Black Square or Duchamp's Fountain have nothing to do with skillfull expression. I think the biggest misconception people have with art, is that they think, something being art puts it on a pedestal. But thats simply not the case. I think thats the case cause everyone interacts or consums art, but not many people actually know art history. Like i said: It's just a definition.

by Hbechtelar 4 weeks ago

I think the biggest misconception is that art has a concrete definition.

by gkautzer 4 weeks ago

Theres different ones, but all have one thing in common: It's about creative expression. Theres differences like that art is creating for creating sakes and shouldn't have monetary motivation behind it or Joseph Beuys even said that every creative human expression is to be considered art. In the end it's never about being skillfull in a craft.

by Hbechtelar 4 weeks ago

"I'm sorry, you can't take this advance course in calculous, because you've never studied advanced calculous before and aren't already an expert." Isn't learning how to do something the entire point of education?

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

But just out of curiosity, was your girlfriend's art good?

by braulio43 4 weeks ago

different people express themselves in different ways

by owenveum 4 weeks ago

Right... the grass clump girl sounds creative too lol. Besides art school isn't competitive like that. Grass clump girl isn't hindering OP's oil painter in any way

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Honestly grass clump girl might be on to something. I recoiled when I read her project. Made me instantly imagine grass clumps on my own bed. Makes me think throwing grass at someone else's bed might a little fun.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

$60k a year And the mystery is solved before it even began

by Reasonable_Lab1776 4 weeks ago

Ok the scabs one is VILE

by Schambergerasht 4 weeks ago

Basically you're saying that people should be allowed to learn to express themselves, but only if it fits a narrow definition of what you deem to be good enough. I agree, this is an unpopular opinion.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Art isn't about who has the most talent, it's about who can write the best funding application

by Cruickshankelia 4 weeks ago

So you just don't like the kind of art they make. There is a market for these kinds of performative art pieces, meaning there are jobs for artists making them.The art school is supposed to be preparing kids to get a job in the arts, not to just make art that you feel like is worthy to be called art. It is like saying that a music school should not teach anyone to make rock or electronic music because it takes more talent to play jazz or classical.

by Schummalyson 4 weeks ago

They used to be exclusive. Then we got WW2. UN was created to prevent the outbreak of WW3 and one of the ways to achieve this is to allow crappy art to be alongside oil paintings.

by metzanita 4 weeks ago

"Don't you DARE reject a man from Art school ever again, you hear me? For world peace, world peace!"

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

In Austria everyone who grows a moustache is required by law to attend art school, just in case. True story

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

I prefer beans and bucket over WW3

by Prudent-Mark-1364 4 weeks ago

But does one even appreciate a bucket of beans until ww3?

by Subject_Director 4 weeks ago

your actual problems are with the art industry and its $ laundering, and for profit education.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

And a deeply flawed view of what art is and the point of education.

by Lopsided_Sale 4 weeks ago

Someone made that mistake before. Never Again!

by TearElectrical 4 weeks ago

I get this .

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

I think we could've avoided some major tragedies if we let anyone into art school, idk if any of you are history buffs, but yeah I feel anyone should be let in.

by Laverne20 4 weeks ago

And this is how we get Hitler

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

NO, LET THE AUSTRIAN MAN PAINT, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD LET HIM PAINT!

by Amazing-Tea 4 weeks ago

Last time they tried it didn't end well.

by filibertokeelin 4 weeks ago

Hitler was rejected from art school, is that what you want OP, another Hitler? Tis a joke btw, I know what you mean. Can still remember watching three very bright but uncreative Asian students sat together flicking paint at canvass for their final project.

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

I don't want another Hitler dude

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Art school tried being exclusive once, and look how that turned out

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

A certain Austrian painter would vehemently disagree

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

When it comes to those nonsensical abstract stuff, sometimes I think it's more creative writing than actual art. Because they have to use a bunch of abstract concepts, simile and metaphors to explain the meaning behind chaos

by Mspinka 4 weeks ago

Inst creative writing art?

by Schummalyson 4 weeks ago

"One guy just hung a home depot bucket of coffee beans from the ceiling. That was his whole piece. Another girl would pick scabs off and rub them on printer paper. One other girl just took grass clumps from outside and had people throw them at a bedsheet." those are the 'art school' morons that everyone hates. They think they're 'being deep' and 'avante garde', but they're always just insufferable morons that no one wants to be around. (see also - Yoko Ono)

by Catalina65 4 weeks ago

Bucket of coffee beans πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

by CellIcy 4 weeks ago

insert Hitler joke here

by WestAdhesiveness3612 4 weeks ago

The last time art school was more exclusive we got the holocaust.

by jabaricarter 4 weeks ago

"Art school should be more exclusive?' I can think of one pretty important reason why it shouldn't.

by ihuel 4 weeks ago

it's sad that they will feed the delusions of people who just want to be seen as an artist but actually have no innate talent or the right eye for it. as a musician i saw this at open mic all the time. people just want to be a musician, no real talent for it, tone deaf, no rhythm, just banging on their guitar with no regard for how it actually sounds. but they want it so bad. out of all the open mics i played for years, there were a couple of stand outs, but mostly just irritating noise and people with literally no ability to even know that they are as bad as they are. they all high five each other afterwards. either you have it or you don't, why not focus on something you innately have within yourself? i don't get it!

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

There's other kinds of art besides painting, I'd be intrigued to know what the meaning behind those other pieces were, also art school is exclusive I went to art school for a bit, and there was only a 10% acceptance rate and that's for one of the public ones not to mention the private art schools, which are even harder to get into

by Afraid-Source-6086 4 weeks ago

Don't worry, you'll all be replaced by generative AI soon anyway

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Im sure you think abstract art is garbage too huh?

by Trick-Card 4 weeks ago

Regardless of how talented someone is, there is always a need and enough stupidity to churn out fresh mediocrity πŸ€·πŸ½β€β™€οΈ

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

It's not the price. I went to art school. There was a lot of rich confused untalented students there who wanted an easy degree and their mom and dad forced them to go to art school cause they liked painting their nails. Every class critique I wanted to use their long bedazzled nails to pull my eyeballs out to save myself from ever witnessing the "art" they were making

by Jolly-Ad8990 4 weeks ago

Why do you need to compare the two? It's OK to not enjoy some of the art and art school seems like the place to get out one's cringiest ideas.

by Emmie60 4 weeks ago

You have to wonder what ends up happening to some of those art school rejects. Make sure they don't start a world war or something.

by vbeier 4 weeks ago

It's because they don't want another Adolf Hitler

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

We aren't talking enough about scab girl.

by Ewillms 4 weeks ago

Sorry is there room for another Hitler joke in here?

by vaufderhar 4 weeks ago

Probably don't want to refuse anyone and have them go on to become a ruthless dictator that almost takes over the world.

by Carterlibbie 4 weeks ago

No school should be expensive. Period.

by SpellZealousideal 4 weeks ago

art school $60k a year......! she may be able to get min wage starbucks job after this... kids just think that its so cool to do arts...... most have no talent and will not amount to anything....

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Because rejecting somebody from attending art school has never had a catastrophic consequence that altered the course of human history...

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

There's a big difference between "art"(artistic expression) and "art"(craftsmanship)

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago

Because most people in art school have one or two specialties they're actually interested in learning about or developing real skill in, but have to take at least introductory classes in a bunch of others. If you're a photographer but that semester you happen to be in a bunch of design and performance art classes, you have to exhibit something from a current class. So you do the bedsheet thing.

by elinor26 4 weeks ago

There are a lot of forms of art. I currently go to an art school (it's connected to a public school so it's free but you have to audition) And no one is talented at everything. Maybe they're really good at sculpture and we're forced into an oil painting class. I'm not saying everyone is amazing at art and belongs at an art school but, just because someone sucks at one form of art doesn't mean thy suck at art in total

by Pearltorphy 4 weeks ago

If only those art schools in Germany and Italy were so picky............

by Anonymous 4 weeks ago