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It's good the world's fertility rate is declining. amirite?
by LynxBig1 week ago
Honestly it's just the fact that we seem to be getting smarter. Not only knowing ways to prevent kids but also understanding not everyone is meant to have them despite the push to have them.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Definitely! There are no consequences if we have a lot of stupid people only having children. Also definitely no issues if the old generation are millenials and genz who never own a home and things of value which are traded in to pay for health care after they retire.
by These_Cauliflower1 week ago
I do feel like the general population is getting dumber partially because smarter people have fewer kids. But thats not a good reason for people to have kids they don't want.
by Anonymous1 week ago
You need to watch idiocracy
by Extension-Monk66611 week ago
It's got what people crave
by No-Boysenberry-47051 week ago
Or maybe you do, because you didn't pick up on pretty obvious sarcasm lol.
by tblick1 week ago
For me it's just not wanting any. Why bring kids into my life if I know I'll just resent them for how much effort and money it costs me?
by Anonymous1 week ago
I don't think it works that way for most people... Maybe you would, but it's very hard to resent your kids. Everyone I know who said they dont want or hate kids, that ends up getting pregnant is so happy afterwards and went on to become a loving parent. It's fighting hard wired biology to resent your kids.
by Anonymous1 week ago
My coworkers tried telling me I should have kids because Bible said so, lol.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Tell you coworkers to pay for your kids
by Ok_Position1 week ago
I'm sure the lord prefers less children to more starving ones.
by Anonymous1 week ago
The bible also says you cant eat shellfish, get tattoos, and that women should not talk in the presence of their husband and have to wait till they get home. Also something about lusting for a donkey.
by Anonymous1 week ago
What kind of donkey? Will it be a cute one?
by Anonymous1 week ago
This right here, except for the fact that lower class and less intelligent people tend to have many more kids than their socioeconomic counterparts. This trend doesn't seem to be getting any better. All of the people I've met with 6+ children have been working class adults.
by CartoonistRemote1 week ago
This would be true if it was the people who could support and educate their kids who were having them, but it's generally the opposite
by NetZealousideal70351 week ago
Precisely. There are too many people that aren't looking at the full picture.
by Anonymous1 week ago
It's really, really bad from an economic standpoint. Basically, you will reach a point where there are more people retired than the rest of the population can support. Social security operates on the idea that you pay into it to support those who are currently retired, and the younger generation will do the same for you when you retire. That doesn't work if every succeeding generation gets smaller and smaller. This will result in higher taxes, or lower social security benefits, or higher retirement age, or all of the above. And that's just the social security part. There's still the whole conversation with shrinking labor force and productivity. Imagine a restaurant full of old timers and only one waitress running around trying to serve everyone because there aren't enough people to work. And when there's a labor shortage, there is usually an upward shift in gainful employment. Everyone gets better jobs because all of the oldies are retiring. All of the jobs that no one wants to do will go unfilled.
by Pale-Soil99731 week ago
So we just Logans run. What could go wrong?
by Nearby-Problem1 week ago
No worries. There won't be any jobs left by the time all the major corporations replace their human workers with AI. This process is going on right now. In the future, there won't be enough work to go around, so the shrinking population will be a good thing.
by Anonymous1 week ago
That's an even worse idea
by Zoey071 week ago
There's a hole in your logic. We won't retire
by Anonymous1 week ago
Immigration.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Finally someone who actually understands the consequences.
by Equal-Imagination1 week ago
Not very wholesome 420 chungus
by Impossible-Delay-5421 week ago
Reality isn't wholesome.
by Equal-Imagination1 week ago
It's not that people don't want children, it's that people can barely afford to take care of themselves let alone afford to have children
by Anonymous1 week ago
This right here. Many feel like it isn't an option.
by ProfessionalTax1 week ago
I think paying people a full wage salary is a viable solution. $60k or whatever the median income is per child per year until they are 18 to stay home. If having a child results in a net negative income, or doesn't allow for the luxuries that we expect, such as vacations people won't have them. But more realistically, i think we'll see the ban of things like abortion and birth control. If things get really bad, women will be further oppressed.
by Sammy361 week ago
In tribes, everyone cared of the children, not only the 2 parents like in nuclear families. This reduced the weight of responsability to parents. Reducing weight of responsability to people would give incentive to have more kids? Like large families in villages where everyone knows each other and everyone can take care of a group of kids, which are not necessarily their own. Like a few people can entertain a large group of kids that is not necessarily theirs, but it is less efficient to have a few people people entertain 1 kid that is theirs.
by Anonymous1 week ago
One thing you can do is not spread misinformation that a declining birth rate is good for anyone involved. It doesn't matter what economic system is in place, a declining birth rate will kill a society.
by Anonymous1 week ago
So have 2 kids?
by Anonymous1 week ago
2.1 would be the perfect number
by Anonymous1 week ago
Ted Kaczynski was absolutely right.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Everyone died in a short period of time with the plague. In todays circumstances there will be a lot of old people not working and fewer working age people in the work force. Not half the population died within a 3 year span.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Unless you're planning on killing off the retired population, the analogy doesn't work at all.
by Anonymous1 week ago
You're right, it's not comparable, because we're not serfs living in an agrarian society. Sorry if that sounds pithy, it's just that the two situations can't be compared at all
by noegoldner1 week ago
The land was plentiful, wages were high and serfdom had all but disappeared Oh come on. This was written by a Marxist revisionist historian and is not at all reflective of the mainstream historical view of 15th century Europe. "The effect of the bubonic plague may have been favorable" 😂😂
by oscar931 week ago
What people don't understand is that it's not about the raw number of people. It's how they are distributed demographically that is the problem. This is not a problem the world faced after the plague
by Sweet_Friendship1 week ago
No, your labor isnt worth more just cause there's less workers. Your labor is worth what value it creates. With a declining population, there is less demand for goods, which is exasperated by the fact that a huge portion of that shrinking population is retired and consumes very little. Since demand is slashed, your labor is worth exponentially less, but goods will cost exponentially more because economies of scale disappear. Well, these days the world is flooded with people but even though the demand for goods is high the work is not paid what you would expect, plus costs are rising even though the demand for items is high. I theoretically want to believe you but the reality I have around tells me otherwise.
by Anonymous1 week ago
No country has ever bounced back from this fertility death spiral. Countries ahead of us like Germany, China and Japan cannot find a way to increase fertility rates and it only gets worse as people's window to have kids becomes very difficult around 45, so if the average age of the population gets above 45, you cannot come back even if you want to.
by Jonesalycia1 week ago
What do you mean by "no country", has there been a country that has completely dissolved due to this? Also how long has the rates been in a decline in the countries you mentioned?
by Anonymous1 week ago
I see, I suppose I can see the concern then, so thanks for discussing and answering these questions for me! Definitely an interesting trend to look at
by Anonymous1 week ago
Maybe if the economy all the sudden becomes very good, and some significant cultural changes happen that make people more likely to want children, like an increased stigma towards childless people
by Impossible-Delay-5421 week ago
What do you propose as an alternative if there was a choice?
by Beulah801 week ago
tell that to Japan and see what they have to say about the effects of that
by Anonymous1 week ago
Ask Japan the country or Japanese people? The country wants more babies sure, but Japanese people don't care.
by charitycole1 week ago
They're gonna care once they're old and no one is going to pay their pensions
by Personal-Cicada80791 week ago
Japan could always swallow its pride and relax their immigration requirements if they're that worried about a declining population But so far they'd rather keep their requirements, which are some of the strictest in the world
by Independent-Cod28191 week ago
Ask Europe how well it's going with the migrant crisis. If immigrants dont integrate, they just rip apart the destination country and bring it down to the level of the country they were so desperate to get away from. There's a very clear middle ground, but since no one has managed to perfect the balance yet, Japan is probably better off to stick to their strict rules
by Anonymous1 week ago
Europe's migrant crisis was one where they accepted lots of refugees, not because they needed labor. You can always accept those with proven records of being good members or society and turn down those who have not.
by bailey041 week ago
Gotta agree. In canada, we have the same issue. Our POS prime minister opened the immigration floodgates, and its been a disaster. So many people come into the country and flat out refuse to assimilate.
by Bergehunter1 week ago
They could also give women equal working rights and make a more balanced work-life the standard... Not to mention raising taxes with the promise to "fund women, day cares, and child rearing" when actually using the extra taxes for the elderly.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Or south korea better yet
by Impossible-Delay-5421 week ago
I think it's more specifically specific countries instead of the world Like South Korea and Japan could really use some higher birth rates But India should really slow down
by deonte961 week ago
India is slowing down though, they are below replacement now.
by ExcuseNo70021 week ago
The trains are doing their job shaving off the population
by dkoss1 week ago
Wrong wrong wrong. We can sustain our population. It's consumerism and greed that's destroying us. Our population hasn't been spiraling out of control for decades now.
by Living-Category1 week ago
We can't sustain our population, look at any scientific projection of what the future is going to look like at this rate
by Independent-Cod28191 week ago
OP listed a very common situation though.
by Anonymous1 week ago
You do realize that the aging population will vastly outnumber the young working generation who will be forced to care and pay taxes for their care? It will be a huge burden to the younger generations while the older gens outnumber us. We will contribute less to the economy and will all suffer for it.
by Anonymous1 week ago
So we just continue to shift the problem to the future?
by Tarynveum1 week ago
Thats what we have been doing
by Impossible-Delay-5421 week ago
It's already a huge burden, yet everyone thinks it's such an awesome thing to be celebrating grandma's 108th birthday
by OrangeBitter67921 week ago
Yeah that is an issue but what's the alternative? If population keeps increasing forever earth won't be able to handle that much people. And if the population doesn't keep increasing and stagnates or declines at some point then we'll be faced with the same problem you described. So, isn't it better to deal with the problem right now rather than later?
by Anonymous1 week ago
Yeah that is an issue but what's the alternative? If population keeps increasing forever earth won't be able to handle that much people. And if the population doesn't keep increasing and stagnates or declines at some point then we'll be faced with the same problem you described How about the third option: just keeping fertility rates at the replacement rate? It's not depopulation vs overpopulation. There's the option of simply keeping the population stable, with approximately the same number of people being born and dying every year.
by Anonymous1 week ago
We are 150 years away from the intersection of population and resource management.
by Character-Law1 week ago
Ya it's ridiculous to think a labor shortage is a real problem. Our economy produces at least 100,000x more than it did 200 years ago and ai is likely to multiply that exponentially. If we can't figure it out, we're really doing something wrong.
by bailey041 week ago
The world isn't crowded. We just over consume. Our population is totally sustainable we just need to overcome our industrial greed.
by Living-Category1 week ago
You're right. But we might need population collapse to overcome industrial greed.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Problem is more advanced and educated societies are declining in population while poor and undereducated are exploding in growth due to things like a lack of proper birth control and women's education this means as time passes there will not be enough educated workers to be to fill important positions such as doctors that are needed to care for an aging population this problem is compounded in xenophobic countries like Japan and Korea where there are few skilled foreign workers hired. We also have to think about the macroeconomics of the situation. If society becomes less productive total gdp will decline which means less jobs, a slower economy, and possibly a global recession.
by Fit-Painting1 week ago
If by "World's Fertility" you mean EU nations and US, then yes, fertility is declining. While the rest of the world multiplies like rabbits.
by thomas881 week ago
Except if you look at who is breeding
by Practical_Bike51261 week ago
And South Korea
by Anonymous1 week ago
And all of the reasons you just mentioned will continue to get worse when the working population decreases in relation to the retired
by Impossible-Delay-5421 week ago
The problem is that the WORLD'S fertility is declining. Not just one country, not even just humanity. Even the animals are affected. It's not happening because all of a sudden everyone is passionate about sustainability. Everything is being chemically castrated as a result of phalthalate pollution. If people had a stable birthrate that is a little below replacement it would be great, but it's WAY below replacement level in many places and continuing to drop even faster. Fertility is quickly heading towards zero. It's about to be a much bigger problem than it seems right now.
by Many_Mountain_29281 week ago
You are a 100% right, how will more jobs than people lead to longer hours and less pay? That would be great for workers, it's basic economics
by Anonymous1 week ago
But this isn't about feeling bad for the current generation of older people. There's already enough healthcare professionals to take care of them right now. This is a problem that will come around for us younger folks in 40-50 years. I don't want my generation to suffer in 2064 just because I'm mad at old people in 2024.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Ok Thanos
by Jonesalycia1 week ago
Its bad when people dont have the choice. Fertility rates are dropping because people's health are in disrepair
by CauseSufficient1 week ago
its a bit opposite. fertility rate keeps going up. the "western world" fertility rate is going down. so you in the end you might not really enjoy the end result.
by Anonymous1 week ago
It's overall extremely bad. In the long run it will cause major labor shortages in infrastructure that demands a certain level of labor to be maintained. This isn't an unpopular opinion. It's just stupid.
by adrielrodriguez1 week ago
Right now it seems like a good solution but in the future who is going to take care of the ageing population? It's gonna be a huge population level crisis!
by Anonymous1 week ago
No aging populations are a much bigger problem than overpopulation. There's plenty of space left on the planet but there's not enough younger people to look after all the baby boomers who are starting to get to an age where they require care. It's already a massive problem in Japan and has been for decades where the birth rate is so low and it's the main reason why China got rid of their 1 child policy. It's starting to affect the West now and in the next decade when all the boomers are in care and Gen X start retiring it's gonna be an even bigger problem as we can see the blueprint for what's gonna happen in Japan as we speak.
by Kitchen_Objective1 week ago
We're not truly overpopulated until we get to the point of being unable to sustain ourselves with the resources and environment we have
by Anonymous1 week ago
It's only crowded in places where people think the world is crowded. There's so much space between the coasts. People that never leave metropolitan areas have a skewed view of available space.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Japanese officials took one look at Northern and Western Europe and said, "No thanks - we'll make do!"
by OrangeBitter67921 week ago
Taking in immigrants in mass is the quickest way for them to lose their county and the things that made in great. The same people who complain about cultural appropriation smile and cheer for the destruction of cultures.
by Equal-Imagination1 week ago
No morons are still having kids meanwhile smart people are going without - this will just mean the population becomes dumber
by cummerataskyla1 week ago
Idiocracy ??
by BackgroundBass57391 week ago
That's been happening for a while and it's gonna keep happening regardless We'll just have to work around it
by Independent-Cod28191 week ago
The world isn't overpopulated. You're actively advocating for the decline of your own species.
by Anonymous1 week ago
The world is not crowded, some parts of it are And wouldn't you know, countries would rather forcefully import trillions of people from there then deal with the labor shortage constructively
by Anonymous1 week ago
Unfortunately, it's just that intelligent people are not having kids. Poor and stupid still pop em out like pez dispensors though
by Anonymous1 week ago
Yeah I agree like how is this a bad thing? 8 billion people is too much. If we cut it down to 6 billion that's great.
by Cheap-Lengthiness1 week ago
Yeah, no, I dont want my country to be invaded by China or any country that make more babies than the West. We are gonna lose our beautiful culture.
by Kelliegrimes1 week ago
My argument is that smart people are having less children. It's only countries like Japan, Korea, Singapore etc. in most less developed countries, they're having the same, if not more. Which, despite how bad it may sound, we don't need dumb people or kids that grow up in environments that aren't sustainable
by Anonymous1 week ago
Less people who don't think like me? What's the issue?
by Slow-Camera30841 week ago
Lol you don't really understand what is going to happen 🤣
by darian751 week ago
Its the wrong people's populations that are declining though. Conquered without a single drop of blood
by Anonymous1 week ago
Honestly I'm not sure I would have had kids in the early 2000s if I had known how things would be going now
by That-Butterscotch5081 week ago
I think the issue is more with how it affects the age distribution among the population. Like more people will be getting older and retiring than joining the workforce. It puts even more pressure on the working population
by Anonymous1 week ago
The problem is society is a Ponzi scheme, on some level. We're all only solvent if there are more people adding to the economy than are taking from it. When you have too large of a population that isn't working or otherwise producing, you are necessarily experiencing a net negative. An aging population is a ticking economic time bomb, in other words. If the world's fertility rate keeps dropping, we're in for bad times.
by Hackettrichmond1 week ago
Except the world isn't crowded. Only the cities.
by Lueilwitzeveret1 week ago
This is not only a very popular opinion it's also a very stupid and selfish opinion Because what's really going to happen when people keep pushing for less children and longer lifespans?
by Zoey071 week ago
Google population prymid.
by hymanbrekke1 week ago
I swear like 10 years ago the conversation was all about world hunger, overpopulation, and resource depletion. The switch to "oh no, why is the fertility rate declining!?" is kind of sudden. I do understand that it is having some economic consequences, but that shouldn't be the only aspect being considered in my opinion.
by Anonymous1 week ago
Tell that to Japan
by Anonymous1 week ago
as long as we kill of the old people…. oh and don't forget the world population is increasing because poor and developing areas are having more kids!
by Distinct-Ad-13711 week ago
more popular of an opinion then you'd think
by FewStrike43101 week ago
Can't afford kids change that and I'll make all the drones you want.
by Anonymous1 week ago
I don't think anyone takes that as unpopular opinion
by Fun_Cheesecake_67471 week ago
Pay me to have kids and work way less hours, then we got a deal
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