Moral philosophy must be taught in schools, amirite?

They teach philosophy is schools in France. Not just one moral philosophy though. This is a good thing. Much evil in the world is made possible by stupidity. If you can give students the mental tools to observe the world from more different angles, they may become wiser, sooner. Too many people can only look at the bling in the world. Parents clearly aren't doing it, so there's a hole the schools can fill up there.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

It is in my country. 2 mandatory years in high school.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

On paper it probably sounds like a good idea. In reality, people are assholes because people are assholes. Sure some people be an asshole because they lack the awareness. Others simply don't care.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

What moral philosophy? There are different types

by fnader 1 week ago

All of them. Students should be exposed to the ethical complexities of the world. They should be taught the different ways that people have decided to deal with them.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Replacing what exactly?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The same way it is taught in universities but with adjustments made for slightly younger learners?

by Buckridgeelna 1 week ago

Do you even know what philosophy is?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Yes

by bwitting 1 week ago

The answer you were looking for is 'no'.

by Howepearline 1 week ago

Thats why he said moral philosophies. Not just morals in general. But either way teaching it in schools would be completely pointless and qaste everyones time. People dont become good people by learning about how others were good people. Some are naturally predisposed to it and some are naturally complete assholes.

by Ok-Percentage3022 1 week ago

Some are naturally predisposed to it and some are naturally complete assholes. You're not gonna believe this but that attitude is just one of many moral philosophies! People dont become good people by learning about how others were good people. That's not what moral philosophy is about though - it isn't moral historical figures. It's about analyzing how the idea of goodness can be qualified in different systems so you can better understand people's motivations and your own.

by Howepearline 1 week ago

It shouldnt, but that doesnt mean Logic and Ethics shouldnt be. There will be some overlap, and obviously that will slightly challenge some students and most likely their parents personal beliefs. But that is okay. That is part of becoming an adult. What is important in providing student with the adequate tools of logic and ethics to be able to assess whether their they keep or reject those morals.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

We have a big situation in the family right now and peoples ideas on what to do tell a lot about themselves

by Anonymous 1 week ago

You overemphasize what impact it would have. They have it in my country in high school (at least had), bunch of a*holes nevertheless. Deontology and values are probably the first categories that are dropped during competition.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

They tried in my school but God did that class suck, all debates were obviously pre decided who would win, were about the dumbest things if not. The few times the "wrong side" won, the teacher legit just said we made some error or it didn't count. It was honestly just so dumb, it'd be nice to get that as a proper class but I doubt it'll be regulated to be not just teaching the teachers personal morality most of the time.

by Formal_Equivalent 1 week ago

Boy let me tell you about how some of the biggest assholes I know are all philosophy bros (myself included lmao)

by lawson55 1 week ago

You can already hear students yawning

by Anonymous 1 week ago

its not about what you learn in school. Its more about the society. The society going for the individual and just giving no f about another is one of the reasons society falls most people.

by cummerataconsue 1 week ago

School exists to prepare children for entry into the work force or higher education. School does not exist to turn people into decent human beings. That's the parents' job. Do you really want "Make people into good adults" to be the responsibility of the government?

by wittingmiles 1 week ago

School exists to prepare children for entry into the work force or higher education. So then you would agree that teaching Logic and Critical Thinking/analysis should be foundational to education. Because good employees and good college students are one that are capable of critically assessing a given problem or situation using sound logic. Yes, high level philosophy discusses what does and doesnt make someone "good or bad." But at the basic fundamental levels of philosophy it is all build on Logic and Critical thinking.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The concept of schooling is why we are where we are. If you read the Philosophy of education of Native Americans, various eastern cultures, or books like Dumbing Us Down by John T Gatto, its quite enlightening.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This is false. One of school's jobs is that, but it is very much not the only job. For one, you're entirely missing the role school plays in socialization. But also, how does your theory cope with classes like Home Economics or Civics? Those clearly have nothing to do with job training, yet we still teach them at high schools. And how exactly is learning to interpret poetry going to help prepare me for a job? The primary goal of an education is the training of a mind to think well. It is not to make the person readily employable. That is also a goal, but it is secondary to the other.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Isn't philosophy 101 a requirement for higher education?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

No?

by wittingmiles 1 week ago

Was for me in business school (Pakistan).

by Anonymous 1 week ago

No, it's not. Because even Philosophy 101 isnt the foundation of philosophy. It is the starting point for studying higher level philosophy. The keystone of that foundation is Logic and Critical Thinking, then you go onto ethics and morality. Which in most Philosophy programs is taught throughout a Philosophy 101 course. Which is all fine and dandy for college or Junior and Senior high school students. But a classes solely dedicated to Logic and Critical thinking/Analysis, those can be started far sooner than high school, perhaps early middle school and built on into high school.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

No worries, I would say a majority of public education across the US fail to provide education on what philosophy actually is. The reality is that Philosophy is foundational to everything, Mathematics, Science, Computers, Religion, Politics, etc. It's not just a bunch of people sitting around discussing unanswerable questions. Hell, before any of those things existed, it was all just Philosophy.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

In Belgium and France you can choose (when you reach 10yo) between religious classes (one for each religion) or ethics/philosophy. That was in a public school. In a catholic private school even the religious classes were a mix between philosophy and religion.

by Superb-Raspberry-287 1 week ago

Whose moral philosophy?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Mill and Kant's, probably. Could also include Aristotle, Plato, Hare, Mackie, Joyce and Rorty for a wider set of views. It's very easy to teach ethics objectively.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

You sound like you think you're smarter than you actually are

by Specific_Fix 1 week ago

So I just finished talking to atheists who made some bold claims about morality, but despite that he seems to say things incoherent to what he firstly claimed. I found it strange but coudnt explain it in easy for no English country citizen way. Reading here how no clue many of you have about ethical philosophies I think I know now what the reason of that feeling was.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Who decides which morals? If we're going to systematically teach children right from wrong, who decides what that right and wrong is? There are already enough issues with teachers pushing their or their employers' pwn personal or political beliefs on impressionable children. We don't need to add morality to that. School's job is not to teach your kid about life. It never has been and it never will be. That is the parents job. School is about academics.

by Anonymous 1 week ago