A 70 should always be a C, amirite?

Wherever you draw the line, some people will fall just short of it.

by Harleykoss 1 year ago

Half the world is below average intelligence. Now we wait who is bad at math.

by Dear-Palpitation 1 year ago

Technically not really, that's median

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Yeah, a median is a type of average

by Anonymous 1 year ago

No, an average is a mean and they're mathematically defined. Average = Mean, Medían = Midpoint

by Anonymous 1 year ago

You're all mean. Math is a form of chemistry.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Chemistry is nothing more than a form of architecture

by Agreeable-Net 1 year ago

Architecture is nothing more than an example of Physics.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

IQ is stored in the balls

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Yes and in normal distribution, which we are assuming most of the time for measures in a population, the mean and the median are the same.

by turcotteraina 1 year ago

In a normal distribution they are the same thing.

by TermFew9984 1 year ago

Yeah they do happen to align specifically in IQs, so while you aren't technically wrong, in this case they're basically the same thing.

by Cruickshanktimo 1 year ago

And here we've seen who's bad at statistics

by Specific-Bad1632 1 year ago

IQ is close enough to a normal distribution, the definition of it actually assumes a normal distribution. So it's not too wild to assume that mean~median.

by Eduardotremblay 1 year ago

grades are not a valid representation of intelligence. they measure compliance

by boyermaximillia 1 year ago

Teachers often curve grades literally forcing a normal distribution, so if anything grades are more likely to be normally distributed than intelligence

by turcotteraina 1 year ago

Bell curve

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Why 70, not 69? If there's a cutoff point then you can miss by one point, regardless of what exact number the cutoff is

by Anonymous 1 year ago

[insert internet mandated 69 joke here]

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Why 69? not 68, why should the determining factor be 1 mark?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Why 68? Not 67, why should the determining factor be 1 mark?

by AdKind 1 year ago

Why not 28? Why not 6? Why not just hand out degrees to whoever shows up?

by Altadach 1 year ago

First letter drop off is 90% which is ten less than 100 then next letter drop is 80% which is ten less than 90 so there's precedent there for 70%.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Because 70 is a round number. 73 is almost completely arbitrary. 75 would make sense. But 74? 73? Those don't make sense

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Round numbers being special is arbitrary

by Anonymous 1 year ago

You didn't miss by one point, you missed by 28.

by Dkeebler 1 year ago

You missed passing by one point.

by No-Barnacle-1224 1 year ago

they're missing the point. ba dum tsh

by PollutionProper 1 year ago

You clearly haven't been to Ireland where 70 is HIGH.

by Donnyschmeler 1 year ago

This held true for Engineering courses graded on a curve in US. Had a few classes where a test average never got past about 55-60.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

muffled cries in PCHEM

by Anonymous 1 year ago

😂😂😂 why so specific, ouch

by Zealousideal-Pen 1 year ago

Haha I teach. 70 is a First Class Honours.

by Donnyschmeler 1 year ago

Yes. Clearly I have not been to Ireland.

by No-Barnacle-1224 1 year ago

40 is pass here. 50 is mid. 60 is good. 65 is pretty good. 70 is exceptional.

by Donnyschmeler 1 year ago

They just make the test harder. Countries where passing grade is super high just have easier exams so there is less room for extra smart students to excel.

by clemmietromp 1 year ago

As a lecturer, I assure you that doesn't happen with ethical teaching.

by Donnyschmeler 1 year ago

Of course it is, the tests are made so that people that meet the minimum requirements to pass score roughly the passing score. Having more room for smarter students to differentiate themselves from barely passing is just a side effect of putting the passing grade on the lower side.

by clemmietromp 1 year ago

I mean, that's certainly not how it works in my college.

by Donnyschmeler 1 year ago

So are you trying to say people in Ireland aren't smart? If you think that countries don't make tests easier or harder

by corrine71 1 year ago

No? I'm saying we grade accurately. Maybe I misread his response but he seemed to be talking about grade sliding or weighting, which we don't do.

by Donnyschmeler 1 year ago

That's not what I meant. It's the difficulty of the questions that get adjusted, the grading itself is accurate.

by clemmietromp 1 year ago

I might be explaining it badly, but I've been told this by lecturers in my college.

by clemmietromp 1 year ago

where I went to school 70 was a D-, 69 was an F

by Anxious-Run 1 year ago

So did I. The grading scale was broken down like this: A+: 100 A: 99-96 A-: 95 B+: 94 B: 93-87 B: 86 C+: 85 C: 84-77 C-: 76 D+: 75 D: 74-71 D-: 70

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Exactly

by Anxious-Run 1 year ago

Jeez, my high school anything below 65 was an F, so I guess 65 was our D- range

by Anonymous 1 year ago

For me anything under a 50 was an F

by Tysonjakubowski 1 year ago

that's CRUEL

by justice70 1 year ago

It made college easier.

by Anxious-Run 1 year ago

but it's cruel because if you get 60 you do the grade again and lose a year of your life

by justice70 1 year ago

been there done that

by Anxious-Run 1 year ago

College isn't about moving on with your life. There are and should be expectations in higher education that people who complete degree programs are competent in the material. If you can't pass calculus/physics, you shouldn't be an engineer. If you can't pass chemistry/biology you shouldn't be a doctor. What would be cruel would be passing students who don't know how to do the core concepts of their job and putting public trust in them.

by Fbeatty 1 year ago

getting a 60 means you barely got more than half the answers right, which means you are marginally more valuable than a coin flip. If you pull off an entire year of that, you absolutely need to take another year of the same coursework, and it isn't cruel at all.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

That's only true if every question was True/False. If a question is "Show that the curl of f(x) is 2xz" then answering 60% of that question puts you well above most people's capabilities

by Anonymous 1 year ago

there has to be a line otherwise someone will just say the same thing as you but for some other percentage

by manley91 1 year ago

Nah, 99-100 A, 97-98 B, 95-96 C. Get good.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

PRECISION

by Zealousideal-Pen 1 year ago

What?

by No-Barnacle-1224 1 year ago

I'm pointing out that grade scales are arbitrary. Why should 30% deduction be the magic cutoff?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Perhaps you should learn how to speak coherent English before screeching at others about their grades.

by daniellebahring 1 year ago

70% where I went to school was a C- which is technically passing.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Please, explain to me why 70 should be a determining factor of a person passing class? Why is 67, 68 or 69 any different? Why should a person retake an entire class simply for missing the mark by one point? That's a waste of time and money to me!

by Anonymous 1 year ago

You didn't miss by 1 point bro. You missed 31% of the entire test. Doing or losing 31% of anything is pretty damn significant if you think about it 😂

by Anonymous 1 year ago

'Twas the point, so is 30%

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Following your argument all the way down the line, there is not difference between 100 and 0. So where would you arbitrarily draw the line? What's an acceptable level of not knowing something very well, but still getting a grade that says you know it enough?

by vmante 1 year ago

I'd say the arbitrary original is pretty reasonable

by Anonymous 1 year ago

In most industries, you pass with 70-80% on proficiency tests.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I would argue that missing 29% or 30% of something is also pretty significant

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Someone gets it lmao

by No-Barnacle-1224 1 year ago

Most universities in England will apply some complex formula based on your other results if you're a couple marks under a grade. Also 70% is a 1st in England. 40% is a pass.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

To be fair, you didn't miss the mark by 1 point, you missed it by 30 or so. You missed the passing minimum by 1.

by Serious_Season 1 year ago

It not anymore? Y'all schools strict. I was lucky my professor didn't fail me when I got a 67-69

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I've always had professors that if you have like 1-2 points off a next letter grade they round it up if you show up and participate in class. Otherwise there needs to be a cutoff at some point and you can just keep moving the line further down

by jakubowskiosbor 1 year ago

You fell short. You didn't do enough to pass. Hopefully you'll do better next semester

by Anonymous 1 year ago

In my mind it should be as follows: F: 0-20, D: 21-40, C: 41-60, B: 61-80, A: 81-100 See. Easy.

by MaintenanceWorth 1 year ago

College grades are so over inflated classes are so dumb down these days getting to C pretty much equivalent to a D or F when many college still had standards

by Anonymous 1 year ago

This has been a trend longer than the past few years but COVID seriously ramped the inflation up. I was in undergrad pre-COVID and getting an A was a serious challenge. I graduated right as COVID kicked off and I am now in a graduate program. I got a 100% in one of my classes. I don't even think that should be possible. While I'd like to think my exceptional grades thus far are given on merit, I know I was graded much harsher in undergrad (hell, even in high school), and it's disappointing to say the least. Getting a grade that implies zero room for improvement just feels wrong, especially since I know it wasn't my absolute, best work. If you want to separate yourself and feel like your skills are being challenged and used properly, you may need to seek out those extra opportunities for yourself. This is my anecdote for one slice of academia, so take it as you will. I'm sure my experience is highly dependent on the programs/institutions I've chosen for myself.

by Jaded-Fee 1 year ago

I always get infuriated by grading scales. 70 was a D- in my HS. Literally the final passing grade

by Hubert26 1 year ago

My daughter's HS has 60-69 as a D and still passing. Despite that a bunch of kids still fail.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Friend of mine, in his college application essays, laid out the other 3 schools in our city having essentially your daughters grading scale and point out that he'd be like a 3.8 student at those schools. It's insane that there's different scales

by Hubert26 1 year ago

It's funny because college is the only business where the customer's ass isn't kissed relentlessly. In fact, the customer isn't even called a customer even though they're spending damn near $100k. Nope, you're just a student like when you were a 1st grader and you're treated about the same.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Am I just old? Is it 73 now?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

D's get degrees babyyyyyy

by Ok_Pudding6013 1 year ago

If you cant maintain a few points above, you did not learn enough of the material anyway to really deserve to pass

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I mean, 40% is a pass for me so that's attainable with adequate preparation and study.

by Minimum_Actuator_757 1 year ago

Lol college isn't 5th grade. There's more at stake than how many stars are next to your name on the board. Either you can do it or you shouldn't get paid for it.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Because 75 is the line and 73 is the margin. If you wanted to keep pushing back the margin you might as well call it 2.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

The people disagreeing clearly just haven't been in THAT predicament yet. Lmao

by Particular-Story1846 1 year ago

Been there graduated git my degree. The line has to be drawn somewhere. Someone will always be one point off

by Anonymous 1 year ago

They'd be just as wrong as OP is if they're in this predicament and agree. Gotta have a cutoff somewhere.

by alexzanderwilde 1 year ago

A 70 is always a C because it goes 70-79.

by justice70 1 year ago

By this logic every single person should pass every test. Someone will always miss it by one point.

by CellistConscious41 1 year ago

Yes. Because what we need is for school to be easier.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

you clearly have to draw the line somewhere, and wherever you draw it there will always be people missing out by 1 or 2 marks

by Anonymous 1 year ago

A 70 at my old high school would have been a D- Anything under 70 was failing. High expectations I guess. Look at me now 🤷🏻‍♂️

by columbus65 1 year ago

Ain't nobody want to have important stuff taken care of by the Cs get degrees crowd. You SHOULD have to retake it if you didn't retain it.

by alexzanderwilde 1 year ago

Why are letter grades even a thing. Where I'm from you need a 10/20 to pass a class, anything less is a fail, anything more doesn't matter much.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

This is not really universal, my college considered 60 and above as passing.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

A 70 was always an D- in my school system, they used a 5 point system, 100-95=A, and so on.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Where I am 80% is an A and 40% is a pass

by Feisty_Definition_79 1 year ago

So, you start using 70. Now people that mark 69 will argue that they shouldnt be held back because of one point. So, you start using 69. Now people that mark 68 will argue that they shouldnt be held back because of one point. So, you start using 68. ...

by DifferentAd7352 1 year ago

Straight percentage grading is pretty tough to get right, actually. I'm a fan of making the mean score a C, then distributing the A, B, D, and F cutoffs based on standard deviations.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I agree that straight percentage is kind of weird, but I also think that the standards should be set ahead of time and your ability to pass should have nothing to do with the person sitting next to you. Should you get a D because you got a 96 when everybody else was getting 97-100?

by Schroedercarmel 1 year ago

70 is a C?? For me that's a first, the highest grade available.

by dwightdurgan 1 year ago

70-79 is a B here…

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Every school I ever went to had 70 as the cutoff for getting a C so I have no idea what this is referring to

by Fit_Comedian_461 1 year ago

In the uk 70 is the boundary for a ‘first' which is basically an A. Very difficult to get that!

by Anonymous 1 year ago

When I was younger, it was a 7-point scale instead of a 10-point, so a 93 was an A, an 86 was a B, a 79 was a C, a 72 was a D, and below that was the F. So your 70-point C would have been a failing grade.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

It's a pretty arbitrary number. If they make a 70 a c, people who get a 69 will complain.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Depends on the teacher. You need at least an 80% to pass my classes or you get to retake them.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

80? Jesus christ those teachers need to CHILL, next step is 90

by justice70 1 year ago

You have to have a B to pass all classes at the school I work in.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

so that's 80?

by justice70 1 year ago

You must be STEM

by No-Barnacle-1224 1 year ago

People are soft that's why. Idc how you feel if it's the truth

by No-Barnacle-1224 1 year ago

Soft people keep whining about retaking a class because they missed the mark by a single point, lol.

by aoberbrunner 1 year ago

What about missing by two points?

by aoberbrunner 1 year ago

If you make it 70 someone will get 69. Someone will ways miss by one point. You can't keep moving the goal. You didn't know enough/do enough to pass plain and simple buddy

by Anonymous 1 year ago

No history mostly, some years basic science.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Doesn't matter what you think. It is what the school/institution sets. It's not hidden knowledge. If you crying about 1 point study more and do better.

by Bradfordrunolfs 1 year ago

It's an opinion. If you think making someone pay an extra few hundred dollars to retake a class because they barely missed a mark is fair good for you

by No-Barnacle-1224 1 year ago

No matter where you make the pass fail mark someon3 will miss it barley. You have to pick a precentage and just stick with it

by Anonymous 1 year ago

idk how knowing 70% of the work counts as a C anyways ig everyone's grading system is different

by Jakubowskidaria 1 year ago

I'm out of college almost 15 years and I think almost everything should be pass/fail. You probably don't want medical school to be pass/fail, but for the rest of us a lot of your grades just don't matter. Every time I had to show my college transcripts nobody ever said "you failed philosophy your senior year, you're disqualified", they just wanted to make sure I went to the college I said I did.

by wkuhn 1 year ago

"Waste of money" is the point. Colleges will do anything to make a buck.

by Own-Pension6221 1 year ago

College is a waste of money. Go to a trade school and learn a skill. $150k a year starting for a 2yrs degree. good luck with an underwater basketweaving womens studies degree.

by Dear-Palpitation 1 year ago

I am pro-trades, but you'll be sobbing for a college graduate when your body gives out fifteen years ahead of schedule due to trade work….

by Tight_Slide_9200 1 year ago