Wherever you draw the line, some people will fall just short of it.
by Harleykoss2 weeks ago
Half the world is below average intelligence. Now we wait who is bad at math.
by Dear-Palpitation2 weeks ago
Technically not really, that's median
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Yeah, a median is a type of average
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
No, an average is a mean and they're mathematically defined. Average = Mean, Medían = Midpoint
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
You're all mean. Math is a form of chemistry.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Chemistry is nothing more than a form of architecture
by Agreeable-Net2 weeks ago
Architecture is nothing more than an example of Physics.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
IQ is stored in the balls
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Yes and in normal distribution, which we are assuming most of the time for measures in a population, the mean and the median are the same.
by turcotteraina2 weeks ago
In a normal distribution they are the same thing.
by TermFew99842 weeks ago
Yeah they do happen to align specifically in IQs, so while you aren't technically wrong, in this case they're basically the same thing.
by Cruickshanktimo2 weeks ago
And here we've seen who's bad at statistics
by Specific-Bad16322 weeks ago
IQ is close enough to a normal distribution, the definition of it actually assumes a normal distribution. So it's not too wild to assume that mean~median.
by Eduardotremblay2 weeks ago
grades are not a valid representation of intelligence. they measure compliance
by boyermaximillia2 weeks ago
Teachers often curve grades literally forcing a normal distribution, so if anything grades are more likely to be normally distributed than intelligence
by turcotteraina2 weeks ago
Bell curve
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Why 70, not 69? If there's a cutoff point then you can miss by one point, regardless of what exact number the cutoff is
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
[insert internet mandated 69 joke here]
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Why 69? not 68, why should the determining factor be 1 mark?
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Why 68? Not 67, why should the determining factor be 1 mark?
by AdKind2 weeks ago
Why not 28? Why not 6? Why not just hand out degrees to whoever shows up?
by Altadach2 weeks ago
First letter drop off is 90% which is ten less than 100 then next letter drop is 80% which is ten less than 90 so there's precedent there for 70%.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Because 70 is a round number. 73 is almost completely arbitrary. 75 would make sense. But 74? 73? Those don't make sense
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Round numbers being special is arbitrary
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
You didn't miss by one point, you missed by 28.
by Dkeebler2 weeks ago
You missed passing by one point.
by No-Barnacle-12242 weeks ago
they're missing the point. ba dum tsh
by PollutionProper2 weeks ago
You clearly haven't been to Ireland where 70 is HIGH.
by Donnyschmeler2 weeks ago
This held true for Engineering courses graded on a curve in US. Had a few classes where a test average never got past about 55-60.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
muffled cries in PCHEM
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
😂😂😂 why so specific, ouch
by Zealousideal-Pen2 weeks ago
Haha I teach. 70 is a First Class Honours.
by Donnyschmeler2 weeks ago
Yes. Clearly I have not been to Ireland.
by No-Barnacle-12242 weeks ago
40 is pass here. 50 is mid. 60 is good. 65 is pretty good. 70 is exceptional.
by Donnyschmeler2 weeks ago
They just make the test harder. Countries where passing grade is super high just have easier exams so there is less room for extra smart students to excel.
by clemmietromp2 weeks ago
As a lecturer, I assure you that doesn't happen with ethical teaching.
by Donnyschmeler2 weeks ago
Of course it is, the tests are made so that people that meet the minimum requirements to pass score roughly the passing score. Having more room for smarter students to differentiate themselves from barely passing is just a side effect of putting the passing grade on the lower side.
by clemmietromp2 weeks ago
I mean, that's certainly not how it works in my college.
by Donnyschmeler2 weeks ago
So are you trying to say people in Ireland aren't smart? If you think that countries don't make tests easier or harder
by corrine712 weeks ago
No? I'm saying we grade accurately. Maybe I misread his response but he seemed to be talking about grade sliding or weighting, which we don't do.
by Donnyschmeler2 weeks ago
That's not what I meant. It's the difficulty of the questions that get adjusted, the grading itself is accurate.
by clemmietromp2 weeks ago
I might be explaining it badly, but I've been told this by lecturers in my college.
by clemmietromp2 weeks ago
where I went to school 70 was a D-, 69 was an F
by Anxious-Run2 weeks ago
So did I. The grading scale was broken down like this: A+: 100 A: 99-96 A-: 95 B+: 94 B: 93-87 B: 86 C+: 85 C: 84-77 C-: 76 D+: 75 D: 74-71 D-: 70
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Exactly
by Anxious-Run2 weeks ago
Jeez, my high school anything below 65 was an F, so I guess 65 was our D- range
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
For me anything under a 50 was an F
by Tysonjakubowski2 weeks ago
that's CRUEL
by justice702 weeks ago
It made college easier.
by Anxious-Run2 weeks ago
but it's cruel because if you get 60 you do the grade again and lose a year of your life
by justice702 weeks ago
been there done that
by Anxious-Run2 weeks ago
College isn't about moving on with your life. There are and should be expectations in higher education that people who complete degree programs are competent in the material. If you can't pass calculus/physics, you shouldn't be an engineer. If you can't pass chemistry/biology you shouldn't be a doctor. What would be cruel would be passing students who don't know how to do the core concepts of their job and putting public trust in them.
by Fbeatty2 weeks ago
getting a 60 means you barely got more than half the answers right, which means you are marginally more valuable than a coin flip. If you pull off an entire year of that, you absolutely need to take another year of the same coursework, and it isn't cruel at all.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
That's only true if every question was True/False. If a question is "Show that the curl of f(x) is 2xz" then answering 60% of that question puts you well above most people's capabilities
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
there has to be a line otherwise someone will just say the same thing as you but for some other percentage
by manley912 weeks ago
Nah, 99-100 A, 97-98 B, 95-96 C. Get good.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
PRECISION
by Zealousideal-Pen2 weeks ago
What?
by No-Barnacle-12242 weeks ago
I'm pointing out that grade scales are arbitrary. Why should 30% deduction be the magic cutoff?
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Perhaps you should learn how to speak coherent English before screeching at others about their grades.
by daniellebahring2 weeks ago
70% where I went to school was a C- which is technically passing.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Please, explain to me why 70 should be a determining factor of a person passing class? Why is 67, 68 or 69 any different? Why should a person retake an entire class simply for missing the mark by one point? That's a waste of time and money to me!
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
You didn't miss by 1 point bro. You missed 31% of the entire test. Doing or losing 31% of anything is pretty damn significant if you think about it 😂
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
'Twas the point, so is 30%
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Following your argument all the way down the line, there is not difference between 100 and 0. So where would you arbitrarily draw the line? What's an acceptable level of not knowing something very well, but still getting a grade that says you know it enough?
by vmante2 weeks ago
I'd say the arbitrary original is pretty reasonable
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
In most industries, you pass with 70-80% on proficiency tests.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
I would argue that missing 29% or 30% of something is also pretty significant
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Someone gets it lmao
by No-Barnacle-12242 weeks ago
Most universities in England will apply some complex formula based on your other results if you're a couple marks under a grade. Also 70% is a 1st in England. 40% is a pass.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
To be fair, you didn't miss the mark by 1 point, you missed it by 30 or so. You missed the passing minimum by 1.
by Serious_Season2 weeks ago
It not anymore? Y'all schools strict. I was lucky my professor didn't fail me when I got a 67-69
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
I've always had professors that if you have like 1-2 points off a next letter grade they round it up if you show up and participate in class. Otherwise there needs to be a cutoff at some point and you can just keep moving the line further down
by jakubowskiosbor2 weeks ago
You fell short. You didn't do enough to pass. Hopefully you'll do better next semester
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
In my mind it should be as follows: F: 0-20, D: 21-40, C: 41-60, B: 61-80, A: 81-100 See. Easy.
by MaintenanceWorth2 weeks ago
College grades are so over inflated classes are so dumb down these days getting to C pretty much equivalent to a D or F when many college still had standards
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
This has been a trend longer than the past few years but COVID seriously ramped the inflation up. I was in undergrad pre-COVID and getting an A was a serious challenge. I graduated right as COVID kicked off and I am now in a graduate program. I got a 100% in one of my classes. I don't even think that should be possible. While I'd like to think my exceptional grades thus far are given on merit, I know I was graded much harsher in undergrad (hell, even in high school), and it's disappointing to say the least. Getting a grade that implies zero room for improvement just feels wrong, especially since I know it wasn't my absolute, best work. If you want to separate yourself and feel like your skills are being challenged and used properly, you may need to seek out those extra opportunities for yourself. This is my anecdote for one slice of academia, so take it as you will. I'm sure my experience is highly dependent on the programs/institutions I've chosen for myself.
by Jaded-Fee2 weeks ago
I always get infuriated by grading scales. 70 was a D- in my HS. Literally the final passing grade
by Hubert262 weeks ago
My daughter's HS has 60-69 as a D and still passing. Despite that a bunch of kids still fail.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Friend of mine, in his college application essays, laid out the other 3 schools in our city having essentially your daughters grading scale and point out that he'd be like a 3.8 student at those schools. It's insane that there's different scales
by Hubert262 weeks ago
It's funny because college is the only business where the customer's ass isn't kissed relentlessly. In fact, the customer isn't even called a customer even though they're spending damn near $100k. Nope, you're just a student like when you were a 1st grader and you're treated about the same.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Am I just old? Is it 73 now?
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
D's get degrees babyyyyyy
by Ok_Pudding60132 weeks ago
If you cant maintain a few points above, you did not learn enough of the material anyway to really deserve to pass
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
I mean, 40% is a pass for me so that's attainable with adequate preparation and study.
by Minimum_Actuator_7572 weeks ago
Lol college isn't 5th grade. There's more at stake than how many stars are next to your name on the board. Either you can do it or you shouldn't get paid for it.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Because 75 is the line and 73 is the margin. If you wanted to keep pushing back the margin you might as well call it 2.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
The people disagreeing clearly just haven't been in THAT predicament yet. Lmao
by Particular-Story18462 weeks ago
Been there graduated git my degree. The line has to be drawn somewhere. Someone will always be one point off
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
They'd be just as wrong as OP is if they're in this predicament and agree. Gotta have a cutoff somewhere.
by alexzanderwilde2 weeks ago
A 70 is always a C because it goes 70-79.
by justice702 weeks ago
By this logic every single person should pass every test. Someone will always miss it by one point.
by CellistConscious412 weeks ago
Yes. Because what we need is for school to be easier.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
you clearly have to draw the line somewhere, and wherever you draw it there will always be people missing out by 1 or 2 marks
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
A 70 at my old high school would have been a D- Anything under 70 was failing. High expectations I guess. Look at me now 🤷🏻♂️
by columbus652 weeks ago
Ain't nobody want to have important stuff taken care of by the Cs get degrees crowd. You SHOULD have to retake it if you didn't retain it.
by alexzanderwilde2 weeks ago
Why are letter grades even a thing. Where I'm from you need a 10/20 to pass a class, anything less is a fail, anything more doesn't matter much.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
This is not really universal, my college considered 60 and above as passing.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
A 70 was always an D- in my school system, they used a 5 point system, 100-95=A, and so on.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Where I am 80% is an A and 40% is a pass
by Feisty_Definition_792 weeks ago
So, you start using 70. Now people that mark 69 will argue that they shouldnt be held back because of one point. So, you start using 69. Now people that mark 68 will argue that they shouldnt be held back because of one point. So, you start using 68. ...
by DifferentAd73522 weeks ago
Straight percentage grading is pretty tough to get right, actually. I'm a fan of making the mean score a C, then distributing the A, B, D, and F cutoffs based on standard deviations.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
I agree that straight percentage is kind of weird, but I also think that the standards should be set ahead of time and your ability to pass should have nothing to do with the person sitting next to you. Should you get a D because you got a 96 when everybody else was getting 97-100?
by Schroedercarmel2 weeks ago
70 is a C?? For me that's a first, the highest grade available.
by dwightdurgan2 weeks ago
70-79 is a B here…
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Every school I ever went to had 70 as the cutoff for getting a C so I have no idea what this is referring to
by Fit_Comedian_4612 weeks ago
In the uk 70 is the boundary for a ‘first' which is basically an A. Very difficult to get that!
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
When I was younger, it was a 7-point scale instead of a 10-point, so a 93 was an A, an 86 was a B, a 79 was a C, a 72 was a D, and below that was the F. So your 70-point C would have been a failing grade.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
It's a pretty arbitrary number. If they make a 70 a c, people who get a 69 will complain.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Depends on the teacher. You need at least an 80% to pass my classes or you get to retake them.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
80? Jesus christ those teachers need to CHILL, next step is 90
by justice702 weeks ago
You have to have a B to pass all classes at the school I work in.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
so that's 80?
by justice702 weeks ago
You must be STEM
by No-Barnacle-12242 weeks ago
People are soft that's why. Idc how you feel if it's the truth
by No-Barnacle-12242 weeks ago
Soft people keep whining about retaking a class because they missed the mark by a single point, lol.
by aoberbrunner2 weeks ago
What about missing by two points?
by aoberbrunner2 weeks ago
If you make it 70 someone will get 69. Someone will ways miss by one point. You can't keep moving the goal. You didn't know enough/do enough to pass plain and simple buddy
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
No history mostly, some years basic science.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Doesn't matter what you think. It is what the school/institution sets. It's not hidden knowledge. If you crying about 1 point study more and do better.
by Bradfordrunolfs2 weeks ago
It's an opinion. If you think making someone pay an extra few hundred dollars to retake a class because they barely missed a mark is fair good for you
by No-Barnacle-12242 weeks ago
No matter where you make the pass fail mark someon3 will miss it barley. You have to pick a precentage and just stick with it
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
idk how knowing 70% of the work counts as a C anyways ig everyone's grading system is different
by Jakubowskidaria2 weeks ago
I'm out of college almost 15 years and I think almost everything should be pass/fail. You probably don't want medical school to be pass/fail, but for the rest of us a lot of your grades just don't matter. Every time I had to show my college transcripts nobody ever said "you failed philosophy your senior year, you're disqualified", they just wanted to make sure I went to the college I said I did.
by wkuhn2 weeks ago
"Waste of money" is the point. Colleges will do anything to make a buck.
by Own-Pension62212 weeks ago
College is a waste of money. Go to a trade school and learn a skill. $150k a year starting for a 2yrs degree. good luck with an underwater basketweaving womens studies degree.
by Dear-Palpitation2 weeks ago
I am pro-trades, but you'll be sobbing for a college graduate when your body gives out fifteen years ahead of schedule due to trade work….
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