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North American beer is the best in the world, amirite?
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
I used to have a lot of clients from Berlin that would fly in to visit us in Michigan, and they were obsessed with IPAs. We did everything we could to fly them as much beer as we possibly could every time. We have more variety and more styles than anywhere else on earth, the fact that you can get stouts, IPAs, porters, ales, sours, saisons, and everything in between in one brewery is literally unheard of and impossible everywhere else.
by Anissa652 weeks ago
Yup, and the same applies to food too. Every time I travel, I'm psyched to get back to the U.S. because of all the amazing food we have. I've been dragged here for saying that too, but it's absolutely the truth. It's just that the rest of the world has worked hard to convince themselves that our cuisine begins and ends at McDonalds.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
I agree. I am from Toronto and its is by far the best place I have been to for food and nothing comes close. Tbf I haven't travelled much of the US. You can literally get anything you want within walking distance in basically any neighbourhood in the city. Coming home from Nicaragua where I ate way more "American" food than I do at home. Its not a surprise though, with Canada being so diverse.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
This is a lot more dependent on where you live in the US. With shipping good beer is almost universally available but not everywhere has good restaurants.
by ghills2 weeks ago
Yeah, the US dominates world beer competitions.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Do you mean the ones held in the US? Like the World Series.
by reichelstone2 weeks ago
Germany to perfect the science. US has the art.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Angry Belgian noises
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Little delirium in Brussels has had 2000 beers on offer going back ages before there was anything but Bud and blue moon available in the US..
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Belgian beer is legit. I went to Dublin last year, visited a beer café and an overwhelming share of the beers were Belgian. They didn't understand me when I ordered one with the actual pronunciation, but that's ok.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Who cares?
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Lived in Italy for 7 years and came back in 2012. America does beer on the whole better, the Germans (Munich etc) do niche beers incredibly well.
by ypacocha2 weeks ago
Truth was spoken. If I'm not mistaken the revival of microbreweries and IPA beers was started about 15 years ago in USA. I am actually a traitor to my European values and one of the best drinks to me is Brooklyn Brewery's lager and pretty much anything they as a brewery touch. It's all i need from a beer. Light and full of flavour. European beers are great but unless im fully rested, 1-2 is enough to put me to sleep.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Exactly, as you reference the USA beer scene has just completely changed and significantly expanded in the past 15 years. Everything that can be done with beer has just about been done here, great culture of expansion and experimentation.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
No, it was nearly 40 years ago. IPA is a more recent trend, but micro brewing has been around a lot longer. Local to me is Full Sail, and they've been around since I believe 1986.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
I see where your coming from, and yes just like with wine the US isn't inhibited by tradition, but the refined beauty of old lambic brewery's or trappist styles really feel impossible to match in quality in specific styles
by bettyeconn2 weeks ago
It started back in the 1980s here. It's weird how it took so long to spread across the whole country.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Just had an incredible Ipa from Germany but they aren't as common for sure.
by Cristjaiden2 weeks ago
Maybe all the German brewers came to America centuries ago. 😂.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
I live in the pacific northwest US, which is known for craft breweries. I actually don't like beer, but for those who do, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a lot of relatively good beer in the US. I've also heard Napa Valley wines from California have become very good, rivaling French wines.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Califnoria wines have BEATEN French wines in competition.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Went to Chateau montelena a couple of years back while in Napa, didn't know about the Judgement of Paris then, but it was something that was repeatedly mentioned to us during our trip. There is even a movie about it starring Alan Rickman
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
As someone that lived in Seattle and does like beer, I miss it all the time, there's some truly excellent brews up there
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Can I get a natty ice in Europe? Don't think so. Checkmate.
by geovany192 weeks ago
shakes hand proudly
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
I cackled so hard at this lmao
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Ah...the drink of choice of my freshman year college roommate. He used to leave empties piled all over his desk.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
I don't think you understand why people drink that garbage
by Qkshlerin2 weeks ago
NA has the most variety for sure. I favor dark beers so I agree for stouts and porters. But for the lighter stuff, I gotta go with European or Japanese.
by Slight-Animal-79932 weeks ago
I used to think that, but some amazing West Coast Lagers and Pilsners that do amazing pilsners.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
That's kinda true in general for food too. Yeah, you're gonna have a better pasta in Italy, or better noodles and sushi in Japan, but if you want great Mexican right down the street from great Thai that's right down the street from great Peruvian, the US is the spot.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Definitely true. You're crazy if you think a Coors or Bud is better than a Germany hefeweizen. As far as variety, there are 1000's of types of beers to choose from here, but there is some BS out there too. Sours? Wtf is that? Also, we need to dial it back on the IPAs. There's other good types of beer out there.
by Shawnwalsh2 weeks ago
This is exactly the wrong argument. OP said North American beers are better and you go to the worst American beers VS good European beer. The BEST American beers are the best in the world. The US dominates world beer competitions.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
wow this is either stupid American patriotism or just delusional
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Idk man. You can have whatever opinion you want but objective competition like the World Beer Cup is dominated by American breweries.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
might me because US is technically the size of whole Europe or even bigger so in comparison the numbers are higher..... in comparison US is 7-8 the size of Germany in population alone.... my guess if you have 5 German breweries who actually go there there are 50 US breweries btw even tho it's called world beer cup..... it's really not. it is an American Event created and organized by an American association that aims to help US breweries. call it whatever you want but in the end it is only an American Cup at best also the costs of actually traveling from Europe to America is too damn high. so most likely many do not consider the participation worth while
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Think whatever you want. I personally enjoy the variety of American microbrews over German beers.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
you do you. I would say you never actually had real German beer anyway. but in the end it comes down to personal preference. as long as it tastes good and you enjoy it.😊
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Yuengling is worse than Budweiser. I'm not saying Bud is good, but it's better than Yeungling for sure.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
He was agreeing with you, not implying that you were talking about Coors.
by miraclelindgren2 weeks ago
Coors Banquet beer is as good as any European beer. Imo. Not Coors Light.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Have you ever tried a real Belgian beer?
by luciecrist2 weeks ago
Yes, and this is just my opinion. I am not slapping anyone in the face with my experience, I am just sharing it. I lived in Scandinavia for years, and tried many, many different beers.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Belgium absolutely stunts on most of the rest of Europe, and is basically the one country that really has variety in spades. Too bad it's, well, Belgium
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
I found that most pubs in Europe only have a couple of staple beers they serve plus 2-3 unique kind for their region. So not a lot to choose from. While in Canada they often serve everything that you can buy at any liquor store (like 10 varieties), then they have either their own or local stuff and then seasonal stuff. So between all of these you'll always have something that you'll like more.
by Greedy-Conflict2 weeks ago
I share this opinion as well. Was pretty let down by beer in Germany, Italy, Amsterdam and France. The beer from some of the small breweries in Oregon, NorCal… amazing.
by jonbergnaum2 weeks ago
Aside from true lambics (Belgium), hefeweizen (Germany), and pilsener (Czechia), the US crushes EU. I lived in those countries for almost a decade and now OR is home and I couldn't be happier with the beer.
by CornerSad2 weeks ago
Hello fellow Oregonian! All this beer talk has me looking forward to Septembeerfest in Corvallis early lol.
by jonbergnaum2 weeks ago
I worked in Corvallis from 2002-2005 but haven't been back since--I will have to check out this (terribly-named) fest!
by CornerSad2 weeks ago
what brands have you tasted in Germany or Netherlands ?
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
most pubs serve only the cheap standard beers that are widely regarded as piss water. it's cheap and you get drunk, that's all there is to it. especially Berlin isn't really a good place for great beers. at least from my experience.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Hopefully next time! I'm sure work at some point will want to send me again.
by jonbergnaum2 weeks ago
This is true. And for those that aren't familiar, OP is not talking about Coors or Bud Light. Europe makes phenomenal beers, but they're typically traditional styles. Nearly all of the beer innovation is coming out of America.
by According-Maybe-24352 weeks ago
Up until the early 2000s, this was an unpopular opinion. Nowadays, anyone who knows anthing about been sees that American beer has equaled or surpassed European beer. Asian beer in general is probably the worst overall (it's all boring and mostly macro-brew lagers).
by No-Incident48652 weeks ago
"and... and BECK's!"
by armstrongchesle2 weeks ago
OONT BECKS!
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
pisswater
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Living in VT, I meet so many European tourists to come here for the beer. The first time someone told me they had traveled from Germany to Vermont for the beer, I was pretty surprised.
by Sufficient_Data2 weeks ago
Hill Farmstead is magical
by Ctreutel2 weeks ago
Agree, Mexican beer is the best 😎
by Worried-Seaweed2 weeks ago
You're probably joking, but Mexican beer definitely has its place at the table. If you live in a warm climate, there's something magical about that first long pull of an ice cold Mexican style lager after an afternoon of yard work.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
All I've got is piss warm Chango
by Zestyclose_Lychee2 weeks ago
If we're talking macro breweries i definitely agree.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
I love how people rant and rave about heineken being so much better in Europe than the US, then you get there and it's still just slightly better cheap beer
by HistoricalDistance582 weeks ago
I used to hate Guinness, then I visited Ireland last year and got the taste for it. It's one of my favorites now
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Yeah, I loved it in ireland, I loved going from pub to pub and tasting the differences. Back here in canada the cans will do, and there's a few pubs that aren't too bad, but I miss it in ireland
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Nice ! I really love Bruxelles, it's a great city
by zschulist2 weeks ago
Carlsberg: The European Budweiser Tiger Beer: The Natty Ice of Asia
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
The diversity and quality of US microbreweries is unmatched. Belgium comes in second. There some solid breweries in France and Scotland. Germany is kinda boring given purity laws, but they're authentic. Some people in Europe think US beer is all watered down mega brands like Coors, Bud, etc. But reality is that the microbrew scene is huge
by jackparker2 weeks ago
You know I bet this wasn't a popular or true opinion like 20-30 years ago, but in the last decade, I'm pretty sure North America is crushing it. Just here in the PNW alone, the beer is unmatched.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
North American Ales tend to be superior, but European Lager is still miles better as a whole. Yeah sure 1 in 5 NA craft breweries know how to make a great lager, but a German lager or a Czech pilsner is going to beat out the average NA lager 9 times outa 10.
by According_Survey2 weeks ago
If 1 in 5 NA craft breweries know how to make a great lager, you're talking about nearly 2,000 great lagers.
by hackettgarrick2 weeks ago
I mean yeah but good luck finding a great niche Helles lager from Oregon in Massachusetts.
by According_Survey2 weeks ago
I agree but there are no Trappist monasteries in the U.S., Mexico or Canada. That's the only drawback I see. No true quads. Ommegang and Sierra Nevada Ovila are good but nothing makes me happier than monk brew.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
The beers in Poland were cheap and fantastic. However you are correct, they had that similar flavor profile
by Embarrassed-Dot2 weeks ago
Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder, nobody else's opinion matters
by Amazing-Award2 weeks ago
I don't know where you went, but England have lot's of differents beers, Belgium is know for their beers as well, and lot's of other countries in Europe. It depends on your location mostly but lot's of places in Europe have lot's of choices of beers, you just went to the wrong one
by raymundoroberts2 weeks ago
Slow down. Colorado and the west coast make amazing beers.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
If you can, try "The Streets" it's made by Trillium. 10% abv and it's a double NE IPA. So smooth.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Eh, I'd take a NEIPA over a traditional Harpoon IPA any day. Love chugging high booze hop juice
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Hey, drink what you like. Honestly I wish the IPA fad in general would die down. It annoys me that when I go in the beverage center it can be hard to find anything else on the shelves.
by napoleonkub2 weeks ago
Yeah tbh I've been more into lagers lately - Jacks Abbey makes some great ones!
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
NEIPA tastes like barley wine and is horrible. West coast best coast (for IPAs)
by Claude232 weeks ago
Texas has good beer too.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
What part of MA? I'm South Shore, and I'm familiar with most of these and agree that they are S tier.
by Luz452 weeks ago
Worcester 👍🏻
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Haven't been up woosta way in a while. I'll keep it in mind.
by Luz452 weeks ago
And Rogue is considered a joke circus brewery here in Oregon. We don't export the good stuff.
by CornerSad2 weeks ago
I've traveled all continents with RCAF and I have to.... agree? I always go back to Ricard's Red, Moosehead, Belgian Moon. What I love about LCBO is that they have some really nice things, and each LCBO might have a different stock. (I even asked a manager of my local LCBO to see if he can stock "Karlovačko", a Croatian beer and he did). They also have tons of local craft beers. ​ Some of my other favourites: Tenents Karlovačko Peroni Saporo
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Belgium would like to have a word.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Anheuser-Busch InBev owns like a solid 1/3 of the global market. So, yeah, not really surprised.
by savannahcollier2 weeks ago
Every single awards group that hands out awards internationally awards more often to north american breweries than anywhere else. From my perspective, the US has been pushing hard on scientific advancements in perfecting brewing and is currently setting every trend internationally (assuming they allow it to be imported). A majority of the places where that is not changing are places that restrict imports so the populace doesn't have the day-to-day exposure to what the rest of the world is doing in the beer space.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Sounds like you haven't been to Czechia.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Japanese beer asahi is my fav
by Miserable-Welcome2 weeks ago
It wasn't, but now it is.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Ok..
by Luz452 weeks ago
Huh, had no idea America's beers are out above the rest for the most part. Go us!
by Legal-Priority2 weeks ago
PM me next time you are in Belgium and I will take you somewhere to have 10 completely different tasting beers.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
As a Belgian-Canadian, I slap you. In Brugge you can go to cellars that have been brewing for 500 years. You can walk into a monastery in Belgium and buy amazing beer from a monk. You don't find this experience in North America. You then also find: young Belgian brewers who have taken cue from North American fads, and incorporate them into the tradition, and now you have basically the same variety as North American science experiment beer. Plus the rest of it. And not all craft beer is good in America or Canada, no matter how many flavors or ‘beer sommeliers' or ‘pairing courses' are pushed.. Popcorn beer… Cotton candy beer .. I give people points for throwing everything at the wall , but not for refined, generational tradition and taste built into the product. It's like saying Las Vegas is a Mecca compared to Venice. You haven't spent much time in Brussels (or Amsterdam or Berlin) because there are thousands on tap - in fact way before the craft beer fad in US and Canada, Brussels famously has a bar (Little Delirium) with 2000 different beers, many ON TAP piped to you from the ceilings. I've never seen such a comprehensive beer bar in Canada. Now, I love Canadian and American beer too. But stfu and get cultured or stay at home.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Everyone knows beer is only good if you buy it from a monk, right?
by azieme2 weeks ago
Until now I tried 30 different beers from North America. And every one was bad. Non of the beer was from a big company.
by chance072 weeks ago
I am totally aware of that fact. With from a big company I meant that I not talk about Budweiser, coors and others.
by chance072 weeks ago
Beer snobs in general are some of the most annoying people to ever exist
by miraclelindgren2 weeks ago
Ever met a wine snob?
by Overall-Check2 weeks ago
NA beer is great! Unfortunately most bars still just have about 5-10 IPAs on draft when there's hundreds of other styles, but that's just me being nit picky
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
I really don't find that to be true at all anymore, at least where I live. There definitely WAS a time where the craft beer selection was oversaturated by IPAs, but these days it's much more well rounded.
by Julielockman2 weeks ago
The Japanese do a much better job at American beers. Give me an Orion or a asahi any day. Even a Chinese Tsing Tao is better.
by Ecstatic_Economics2 weeks ago
F that! German and UK beer slaps, way better in quality. They'd know, they've been at it for centuries.
by Savings_Leader42242 weeks ago
never been to home brewery in tzech rebublic, Germany or Belgium I guess?
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
I lived in Germany for a year with the Army and their 4 kinds of beer are better than anywhere else but they can't make an IPA, or a hazy, or a stout, or a sour, or a farmhouse, or a rice lager, or a pale ale, or an ESB, etc etc.
by Anissa652 weeks ago
Yeah because nobody likes that trash here.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
There are 5000 different types of German beer which are made by more than 1300 breweries. wit definitely much more then main catogiers, from memory I recall at leat 18 styles which have different types
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
What are the 5000 styles? Do you mean you can get 3 distinct styles of beer at every brewery in Germany? Do you have a source for that claim? Sounds exaggerated like… a lot. I would bet it's closer to 20 styles. I guess you can shuffle four ingredients around a lot of different ways. Even if they had a million, they still fail when it comes to overall variety. No stouts, no IPAs, no sours, no ESBs, etc.
by Anissa652 weeks ago
Because Americans perfected it.
by Anissa652 weeks ago
European beer trumps North American beer by a mile.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Unfortunate choice in verbs.
by Pristine_Mushroom5842 weeks ago
And unit of measurement.
by Hassie452 weeks ago
Depends on the style.
by Anissa652 weeks ago
Depends on the style of beers. But yeah, to me nothing beats an authentic amber Pilsner.
by gilda442 weeks ago
Sounds more like you only every tried the big brands in Europe. Like always big brands do not really try to make somehting unique they make something for everybody. There are many awesome craft breweries that make unique IPA and Stouts.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
100% truth, best weed too.
by Friesenlisa2 weeks ago
Beer is beer!
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Lol.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
I think our breweries in the American south (Tx especially) are amazing. Great, strong beer. I like lagers though, and Thailand has an incredible smooth and all round amazing lager called Chang 🐘
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Japanese beer>
by Famous-Smell1182 weeks ago
I've been to the USA. North american beer is not even the best beer is north america. Though, it's by far the best pisswater I've ever drink.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Hey neighbor. Right next door we have a hell of a craft beer scene going also.
by rippinaida2 weeks ago
CDA?
by gilda442 weeks ago
Yep also sandpoint has some good beer.
by rippinaida2 weeks ago
Matchwood brewery is so good!
by gilda442 weeks ago
Oh yeah that makes sense. You know, I've noticed as well how much craft beer tastes very samey. I work at one and we go way out of our way to make different stuff, but we're pretty unusual.
by gilda442 weeks ago
There's one really awesome brewery nearby that has a great seasonal rotation of their own sours, IPAs, lagers, stouts, etc that is my go to spot in town. Otherwise yeah so many places make samey tasting beer. If I'm ever out in Spokane I'll have to see what's out there ;)
by Hefty_Outside2 weeks ago
Anywhere on the West Coast this is definitely not true. Even dive bars and sporting events have decent beers nowadays.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
I'm in Boston, I'm realizing we're still puritans over here lol
by Hefty_Outside2 weeks ago
What backwater burg do you live in? even in the most rural bar, i can find better than that near me.
by jonathonschultz2 weeks ago
Best beers in the world in order (my order) Scotland 🏴🤌 Germany Ireland Belgium England
by Outside_Gas87832 weeks ago
Multiplying 0 by any number is still 0. Beer is disgusting piss water, doesn't matter if it's the "best piss water" it's still drinking piss.
by brian052 weeks ago
It's UNPOPULAR opinions, the idea is that people don't like them. Get over yourself, you're far too defensive over a crappy beverage. Unless you're one of those weirdos who makes alcohol your personality
by brian052 weeks ago
They are great eating, I get a bear license every year.
by Spiritual-Ticket2 weeks ago
ALL beer tastes like piss.
by Accomplished_Word2 weeks ago
This of course implies you drank piss.
by Anonymous2 weeks ago
Anyone who knows anything about beer knows USA is the undisputed beer champion. The beer scene in the US was a joke until home-brewing was legalized in the 70s and microbreweries started to pop up. Now the US has almost 10k breweries.
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