Some "empaths" who experienced "narc abuse" are the most unempathetic, mean, and vile people you can ever met. amirite?

Same, what else is does it mean?

by Party-Juggernaut-623 2 weeks ago

They're talking about abuse by someone with narcissism

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

Oooooooooohhh I see thanks

by Party-Juggernaut-623 2 weeks ago

Oh it's a TikTok term, when people arm chair diagnose their parents/bosses with npd

by Greedy_Amount 2 weeks ago

Is it like everyone calls lying gas lighting, and anything that makes them upset a trigger?

by Party-Juggernaut-623 2 weeks ago

Yes. Also I've had called out some people when they are being rude, and they told me I'm gaslighting them. Like bruh wut

by Greedy_Amount 2 weeks ago

It's so annoying because they're all words that are so important for someone to know, so they can recognise an abusive situation My ex used to say everything that annoyed him was a trigger

by Party-Juggernaut-623 2 weeks ago

Sounds exhausting.

by Greedy_Amount 2 weeks ago

You're only exhausted because of your partner's weaponized incompetence.

by Nearby_Duck1386 2 weeks ago

Lol, yeah, I was just being sarcastic. It's funny how people throw around those words even though they don't apply at all.

by Nearby_Duck1386 2 weeks ago

You've met my ex wife too?

by DueRub 2 weeks ago

So annoying!! glad she's an ex haha

by Party-Juggernaut-623 2 weeks ago

Every time you disagree with them you have control issues, everything they don't like is trauma. No conversation is complete until they've misused therapy speak.

by Harmstrong 2 weeks ago

Oh, so like my SIL who claims that my MIL was a narcissistic abuser of hers, but all I ever saw was her abusing everyone; including her mom?

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

Yes

by Greedy_Amount 2 weeks ago

🥲nooooooooo

by Greedy_Amount 2 weeks ago

Actual Narcissists and people who have cluster B personality disorders are the ones who like to think that everyone else around them is a Narcissist. They're usually the ones claiming they've been abused while being the abusive ones.

by SuccessfulAnnual784 2 weeks ago

And they are frequently clearly "toxic" themselves

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

I'm not exhausted cause I noped out haha

by Party-Juggernaut-623 2 weeks ago

lmaoooo

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

Most of the alleged "empaths", themselves, display behaviors associated with covert narcissism.

by Select-Ear-4957 2 weeks ago

For real. I used to be into this sort of garbage. Empathy is an emotion, just like with anger and satisfaction. Empathy isn't a power that chooses someone by their own whims.

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

So what's the deal with labeling themselves as "empaths"? Are they the same people who record an elderly person eating lunch alone while also bawling their eyes out for the likes?

by Illustrious_Sky5987 2 weeks ago

I haven't seen that except on YouTube. Where clickbait videos about people in hard living situations or a reunion of some sort is made for farming likes. I don't know if self proclaimed "empaths" run them but it probably happens lol.

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

Does that mean it's likely they did have narcissistic abuse? From the quotation marks in OP I assumed they hadn't, don't like know much about it

by Party-Juggernaut-623 2 weeks ago

When did "narc" become short hand for narcissist? Back in my day, a narc was someone who ratted you or others out to save their own skin. Example, you buy drugs from someone, they get busted and identify you as the buyer to decrease the severity of their punishment. To your opinion, anyone can be a jerk. Including empaths. All of these labels seem to confuse us and distract from the fact that we're all imperfect.

by Independent_Plan5575 2 weeks ago

I'm either too old or too young 💀

by Greedy_Amount 2 weeks ago

Gen X?

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

I'm gen z

by Greedy_Amount 2 weeks ago

Narc is definitely a snitch, but cops can also be called narcs because they're inherently snitches. But narc is definitely meant for snitch foremost There's also "narcotics officers" abbreviated as narc, but that's not slang. The slang term is for snitches

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

Ahh, synonyms are fun aren't they?

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

Narc and rat are synonymous. Narc means "narcotics officer" from my understanding; law enforcement who will typically go undercover to gather intel/evidence and "rat" to the police.

by Irunolfsson 2 weeks ago

I see complaining a lot about or fixating on narcissists as a huge red flag.

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

Some "narcs" aren't even "narcs". I remember years ago someone kept calling me a narcissist, so I went to a psychiatrist to ask if I am one. I asked the dude why he think I have npd, and his reason is my motivation is the same as what motivates his diagnosed npd mother. All because I ranted about wanting to make a lot of money -.- and it's only once

by Greedy_Amount 2 weeks ago

Yeah. Most people have no idea what real NPD looks like. Real NPD also comes in different forms and it is something that can even be managed. People just see "narcissist" as a group of people they can blame all their problems on. No one will question them because people treat narcissists as irredeemable. NPD is also incredibly rare.

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

Truth to be told I also had called someone a narcissist, before I learn the diagnosis criteria. Turns out it's just her teenage hormones

by Greedy_Amount 2 weeks ago

It's not all that rare. Something like 1 in 20, maybe more.

by Helpful-Grab-7626 2 weeks ago

It's about 1% of the population. I'm not sure where you're getting your statistics from but even 5% still means most the people complaining about narcissists likely are talking about people who mostly aren't narcissists.

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

I think people who see narcissists everywhere are probably narcissists themselves.

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

The faux psychology internet trend, self diagnose etc is ruining people Whole generation of people that can take whatever niche mental concerns and cherry pick, apply however they want yet always find others to echo it.

by Lyricdenesik 2 weeks ago

When people call their exes, their parents, their teachers etc. narcissists 🤮

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

Yes, a self-described "empath" have called me narcissist for just dismissing his ridiculous conspiracy theories, and sometimes even for having a different opinion.

by mortonpacocha 2 weeks ago

Should of told them "you sound a bit narcissistic rn"

by Muellertimmy 2 weeks ago

I'm curious, what's his conspiracy theory?

by Greedy_Amount 2 weeks ago

Oftentimes these "empaths" just project thier emotions onto other people without realizing it.

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

Empaths don't exist

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

Exactly

by Greedy_Amount 2 weeks ago

I tend to agree. Most who claim to be are codependents if you look at their lives. But i also admit I'm biased in that opinion.

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

I think empaths in the sense that some people are more empathetic than others exists, but noone who's ever called themselves an empath is one

by Party-Juggernaut-623 2 weeks ago

Yeah. I do however think that there are more emotionally intelligent people and more altruistic people by nature (but moreso by nurture) as opposed to others. Maybe I am wrong.

by Fun-Particular-2814 2 weeks ago

You are not

by Greedy_Amount 2 weeks ago

And 95% of the people who get called narcissists on the internet aren't narcissists. Also, ban the term gaslighting please

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

This helped explain the concept to me. It looks like a different version of "otherkin", where people claim to have some kind of extra power up like they're in a video game.

by Illustrious_Sky5987 2 weeks ago

People think they understand what NPD is till they actually deal with abuse. Just cause someone doesn't agree with you or doesn't do what you want doesn't mean they are narcissists. But dealing with a real Narcissistic abuser is something I wish on no one. They can be physically, mentally, financially, emotionally abusive all in one. As someone who has dealt with and narrowly escaped this situation, I am NOT an "empath". And I am fully responsible for how I treat others and how I manage a "triggering" situation. And I hope other people never have to suffer abuse from a real narcissist.

by Alarmed_Asparagus 2 weeks ago

Oh I agree on the untreated npd are toxic/abusive part. But "narc abuse" isn't real. It's just straight up abuse. If "narc abuse" exists, so does "borderline abuse", "antisocial abuse", "historic abuse", etc.

by Greedy_Amount 2 weeks ago

I think "Narcissistic Abuse" is meant to sum up the specific method of abuse that an abusive narcissist does differently than an abuser without NPD. For example: a Narcissist is known to gaslight and manipulate in order to get what they want. Some construct a whole calculated fake life in order to look good to others while being catered to by their victims. The abuse from a narcissist can cause issues with memory from consistent gaslighting. An abuser without NPD may just be taking out their anger on their spouse cause they see them as a weak person and easy to target. Maybe it's PTSD related. They may not be as demanding as an NPD having abuser regarding how they present to others. They may not be insecure in the way someone with NPD is. Still evil to hurt someone but the reasoning is different. Maybe there should be a better term. But NPD changes the reason and methods of abuse an insane amount from what I've seen. And the psychological effects of NPD abuse on victims is severe and deserving of study and support. It puts a name to something that's confusing for real victims especially if there is nothing physical involved.

by Alarmed_Asparagus 2 weeks ago

Empathy is a thing, empaths are not. It's just a way to aggrandize sensitivity and victimhood imho.

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

When someone says "narc abuse", I instantly have red flags go up. "Narc abuse" isn't real. It's just abuse. Narcissists (people with NPD) don't have unique abuse patterns. Abusers all follow the same patterns regardless of diagnosis. "Narc abuse" is a money grab by online coaches and arm chair psychologists use the terminology to label their abuse special and uniquely damaging. Someone who is constantly experiencing "narc abuse" is more likely to ACTUALLY meet the criteria for NPD because they're already displaying that need for grandeur and high levels of "unique victimization". on a side note: NPD isn't a death sentence. Therapy works, but you need a specialist.

by Anonymous 2 weeks ago

It depends on the way the disorder presents. NPD often develops as a combination of genetic and environmental factors. If a child develops NPD due to neglect in childhood, they likely learn negative attention is one of the few ways that people listen to them and they'll likely carry that behavior into adulthood. If a person with NPD was parentified, or made responsible for younger siblings, etc, and received a lot of praise through that, they're more likely to display positive traits for attention. Narcissism is often used interchangeably with "selfish" but many narcissistic people display their disorder through over extending themselves in charitable works, etc. NPD is about an obsessive cultivation of image & struggling to value others needs over your own. But if the image an NPD person cultivates is the Saint, they'll likely be very "good" to others, and self harm/struggle internally when that image is disrupted by human failures.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

🎈pop

by Greedy_Amount 1 week ago

This. Thank you. I'm trying to find words to say exactly this. This is my job for a large part and I'm spending way too much time explaining that not every asshole is a narcissist and that ‘narcissistic abuse' is just abuse. Yes there are more severe forms of abuse but that's called coercive control and not narcissistic abuse. That's not a thing. Every abuser calls his ex a borderliner and every victim says the abuser is a narcissist but that doesn't make it true.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

100%

by Lavada13 1 week ago

I always assume the person who calls themselves openly an empath within the first hour of meeting them the problem. I avoid them from then on.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

No one that calls themselves an Empath is one.

by Nreichel 1 week ago

It's an Evil Eye 🧿

by Greedy_Amount 1 week ago

Is that like main character syndrome except main antagonist?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

No, it's a trinket some believe that wards off evil. It spans multiple cultures It's evil eye bead, oops.

by Greedy_Amount 1 week ago

Oh dear christ. I smell burnt witch hazel and Himalayan salt. The crystals shimmer through their windows. I'm always so tired when I don't carry my pocket amethyst.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

means those type of folks could be right at the precipice of the 'aha' moment when we realize we aren't the main character in life. resentment is a natural part of the learning process and the wise move past that stage.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Actions are all that count anyways, not the labels one uses, or the words one says.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Unfortunately many people disagrees with this -.- screw them

by Greedy_Amount 1 week ago

My mother in law is a vile woman who treats everyone around her like garbage. It was normal to come home to see my wife in tears because of her. Her excuse when you call her out on it is "hurt people hurt people:. It's like WTF? That is the most bs excuse you can say.

by Zora37 1 week ago

Nobody mentally stable unironically uses "empath" about themselves. Empathy is not a trait like introverted or extroverted. Empathy is a set of choices limited partially by mental traits and health. Plus anyone that was truly highly empathetic wouldn't have an agenda or need to tell anyone. It's the equivalent of saying I'm good looking or I have integrity unprompted every time you meet someone 😂 If you are you don't need to tell anyone they get it immediately

by Lyricdenesik 1 week ago

What does that emoji mean?

by westbrando 1 week ago

Evil eye! For warding off negative energy and hexes(?) I believe

by Greedy_Amount 1 week ago

Yup very common to see them in countries like turkey, white American chicks love these things these days

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I have no idea what any of this means

by Anonymous 1 week ago

They're also ableist

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Yes, they either see it as a weakness or a reminder of the abuse they suffered. First type want to have more control over their own life, second type… I have no idea why they act like that. Met too many that's this way

by Greedy_Amount 1 week ago

I am confused

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I'm saying my view on why they are being ableists. My judgement might be wrong tho

by Greedy_Amount 1 week ago

They're ableist because most people are tbh

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The way I view these people is they infiltrate people's comfort without warning. If I met one of them why do they want to feel empathy for me? My day would probably be great and I'd see their reaction as priceless. I don't believe in that nonsense anymore. My advice to anyone would be to stand their ground and focus on disengaging from them, and focus on yourself too!

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I've observed that sometimes it comes from narcissists themselves. When people get tired of hearing them talk about themselves and attempt to set healthy boundaries, they're labeled as a narcissist by the narcissist.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Some become emotional blackmailers

by Anonymous 1 week ago

There're people who claim "narcissist abuse" as a trauma? That's a thing? Jesus. We ain't making it.

by Irunolfsson 1 week ago

If somebody accuses everyone else of being a narcissist maybe everyone else isn't the problem.

by Shoddy-Onion 1 week ago

Omg this reminds me of my poor ex boyfriend who definitely had some anxiety attachment and bipolar tendencies. His ex had told him he was a narcissist and he would constantly ask me if he was or if his actions spoke to that. I had to explain to him that him caring about not being a narcissist so much is a sign he was not one. He was a normal maybe slightly clingy guy who was in the military for years. Poor guy needed therapy but instead he had a random girlfriend convince him something was wrong with him. People need to be careful before they throw around mental illness as a punishment for a fight.

by Fun-Ambition-9665 1 week ago

Yeah sadly our relationship ended pretty badly but up into the end I was pushing him into therapy. He ran away from me but I still hope the best for him because I know his wrong doings were manic based and not his true intentions.

by Fun-Ambition-9665 1 week ago

Sounds like my mother

by Anonymous 1 week ago

But thats not what empath means i think. I consider myself that but i mean that i can easily understand how you feel and why. I just dont care anymore.

by PalpitationBoring 1 week ago

The whole idea of empathy is like a bunch of unrelated things into one

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The joke here is that self described empaths are usually pretty self engrandizing about how caring and emotional they are. It's also usually adult women saying it. So the idea of an empath being a middle schooler using that "power" of perception to call people slurs is a fun twist of expectations.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I get the joke. I was joking too lmao

by Greedy_Amount 1 week ago

Oh lmao You never know on here 🤣

by Anonymous 1 week ago