We need unnatractive people in order to have attractive people. amirite?

The classic Twilight Zone episode "Eye of the Beholder" touches on this concept.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

"Number Twelve Looks Just Like You" hits the concept more directly than "Eye." By the way -- they also had radio dramas which included several stories not covered in the TV series.

by No-Double-3456 1 year ago

TIL, Thanks!

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Where can I watch twilight zone? I hear so much about this show

by Proof_Couple 1 year ago

In the US, it looks like it's currently available on Paramount Plus and Pluto TV.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Love that show.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

Thank you for your sacrifice.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Anytime

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

I dont think it's a zero-sum game

by No-Task4820 1 year ago

We can probably agree that blue eyes are considered attractive. What if everyone on the planet had the same color blue eyes, would they still play a factor in attractiveness? Would you ever compliment someone on the color of their eyes if everyone else (including yourself) had the same eyes color? I wouldn't. It would be irrelevant to say such a thing.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

no not necessarily lol

by Anonymous 1 year ago

If everyone were attractive, that's average. There isn't anything that makes them stand out.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

People arent attractive because they stand out, they are attractive because they have certain traits. If everyone had those traits then everyone would be attractive

by Anonymous 1 year ago

And therefore nobody would be. Attractiveness is based on the rarity of those traits. Everyone might have one or two but physically attractive people have many. If everyone all had those traits, the traits themselves wouldn't be seen as attractive anymore because they are so common.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

… no it's not. Fit people aren't attractive because most people aren't fit. Being fit in itself is attractive. If everyone was fit people would still be attracted to it.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Agree to disagree I guess

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

Do you think that if every woman was skinny with hourglass body and perky ass/tits then all of a sudden they wouldn't be attractive anymore? That feels like what you are saying

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Yes, because the traits we consider attractive is based on the rarity of those traits. Why are blue and green eyes considered more attractive than brown eyes?

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

Dude no, attractiveness is based on the feelings, mainly sexual feelings, we get when we look at or interact with people.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I would just mean you'd be attracted to everyone. Being attractive doesn't mean you're prettier or more attractive than others, it just means that others are attracted to you. They can easily be attracted to everyone if everyone is attractive. Like you can perfectly have only attractive people in one room without them turning unattractive by that.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Over time that would change. Example: Does having a head make someone attractive? Not having a head would be unnatractive so by your logic, having one should be seen as an attractive feature?

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

Sure, and that's fine but it's irrelevant here. If you remove everything that is unnatractive, nothing would be attractive. In every culture. I stand by the opinion that you can't have one without the other. Attractive doesn't exist without unnatractive and vise versa. It really is that simple.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

I don't think that's necessarily true at all

by Anonymous 1 year ago

If everyone were equally attractive, nobody would be attractive.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

That's not true because attractiveness is based on testable variables as well as constants that are recognized as attractive to humans. Like for men curves, eye shape, mannerisms are all attractive. And for women height, face shape, masculinity are all attractive. So if everyone had those features that makes everyone attractive. It's not like money where if everyone has it then the price for everything goes up. Conventional attractiveness is based on primal instincts for determining worthy mates. So if everyone is attractive then everyone is worthy (theoretically)

by Anonymous 1 year ago

It's like if you're favorite food is pepperoni pizza but if pepperoni pizza is the only thing available to eat, would you still enjoy it?

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

Yes

by Anonymous 1 year ago

No way lmao. Try having pepperoni pizza for 2 weeks in a row

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Liar

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

People love to act in absolutes when the reality of the universe is actually relativity. It's like how if there is no evil in the world we wouldn't understand what good is because it would be everything. You need white and black on a piece of paper to know what each are. This is the philosophy of many schools of teaching.

by Excellent_Smile_4443 1 year ago

If there were no evil, being good is all that we would know, meaning it wouldn't be singled out as being "good" it would just be "normal". You need white and black on a piece of paper to know what each are. This is the philosophy of many schools of teaching. That's precisely what I'm saying. Attractive doesn't exist without unnatractive.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

Exactly.

by Excellent_Smile_4443 1 year ago

I don't think this analogy tracks. Even within what is conventionally attractive by society there is a pretty wide variety of types that fit. And then person to person that variety grows even wider. If every person on earth was someone I personally found hot, I wouldn't wish I could start hitting on people I'm not attracted to because I got sick of them. Sydney Sweeney and Nelly Furtado and Lupita Nyongo are all really attractive and are all very different looking women

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I'll be honest I'm not following your first part but I was just saying the analogy doesn't work because only being surrounded by women that I find physically attractive wouldn't make me tired of attractive women. Eating one dish for life is vastly different

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Why? The level of attractiveness isn't the same as being above or below average.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

There is no average in this scenario.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

Yes, exactly

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Therefore there is not an above or below average, meaning that attractive people wouldn't be seen that way, since there are no unnatractive people to compare to.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

To answer your question, yes, there would still be a hierarchy of attractiveness.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

So about half of them would become unattractive?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I think the attractiveness would fizzle out and none of them would be considered attractive or as attractive as they once were. There would still be a hierarchy but generally they would all be average looking, since they would be entirely average amongst each other. I'm not saying half of them would be unnatractive all of a sudden. What do you think would happen?

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

Whether or not someone is attractive isn't defined as to whether they're above average or not Define it then.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

having a pleasing appearance that causes romantic or sexual feelings in someone

by Anonymous 1 year ago

causes romantic or sexual feelings in someone That's the product of attractiveness, not the definition. having a pleasing appearance Basically a synonym for attractiveness but what causes it? How come blue and green eyes are considered more attractive than brown eyes? It's because brown eyes are much more prevalent.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

That's only true if your idea of attractiveness is relative. If it's quantifiable in and of itself, it could be something everyone has. That said, if everyone had it, you may be less aware of it. But that's not quite the same thing.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Why? Why can't I be attracted to everyone?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Are you?

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

Attractive is the wrong word. Being attractive means people are attracted to you. Being attracted to everyone is absolutely possible Beautiful might be more what you are looking for

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Physically attractive

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

Do you need attractive people to have unattractive people? What about average people? Am I ugly?

by zoeyswaniawski 1 year ago

If everyone were attractive, nobody would be.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

An attractive person is someone you are attracted to, which means you are drawn to them. If everybody attracts you it doesn't cancel out everyone's attractiveness. Wouldn't you agree?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

If everyone is the same, then nobody is special.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

That doesn't mean that my ability to be attracted to other people diminishes. And if so, then by definition the people I'm attracted to, even if it's everybody in the whole world, are attractive. If they are special or not doesn't matter in this case

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Beg to differ.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

Dude, there is no way you actually think that if everyone was attractive you'd completely lose your sexual drive and never be sexually attracted to anyone ever again.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

this makes no sense, everyone could be attracted to everyone else in some set of people, that doesn't break anything.

by Uquitzon 1 year ago

this is not the same as darkness without light delineation, I suppose it's possible the word attractive wouldn't exist because it would become meaningless, but attractive just means people are attracted to them, it doesn't exist on some relative scale it's like countable, you're attractive if a large number of people are attracted to you, beautiful or pretty would probably work better here.

by Uquitzon 1 year ago

The very traits that we find attractive are based on the rarity of those traits. If everyone had those traits, the rarity would be gone and it would be so common that they wouldn't be considered attractive anymore. As an example I'll ask you a question. Blue and Green eyes are considered more attractive than brown eyes. Why?

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

But the consideration is arbitrary,attractiveness is not inherently based on traits, some set of people finds brown eyes more attractive than blue eyes, do you tell them they're wrong, that person they find attractive is not attractive? In a world where everyone was the same no one would ever be attracted to anybody else seems like a pretty reductive line of reasoning.

by Uquitzon 1 year ago

It's not arbitrary when its a pretty widely accepted fact that blue and green are considered more attractive than brown for eye color. You're kind of missing the point though. I'm not talking about the different things that are attractive to different people. I'm saying the rarity of those traits are what make them considered attractive. People who like brown eyes better, would they still think brown eyes are attractive if that were the only color? No. If that were the case attractiveness would have nothing to do with the color of your eye, since everyone has the same eye color. More emphasis would be put on the shape and structure of the eye and the color would be irrelevant.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

I disagree. I've seen fashion show casting

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I'm doing my job hihihi

by Individual-Bad 1 year ago

We need poor people in order to have rich people

by walkerpatrick 1 year ago

Correct.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

No you don't. Those words are relative. If everyone was a millionaire, you could still say that they're rich relative to people in the past, to the cost of living, to hypotheticals, etc.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Similar to why "alternative" people are hotter than "conventionally attractive" people.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Everyone is attractive, baby

by Scary-Music5868 1 year ago

You know it!

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

You guys are welcome for me making you look more attractive.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

It's an honor to serve my people

by Anonymous 1 year ago

The curve still needs to be a lot less prononced.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I genuinely don't think this is true. I think we naturally find "correct" humans attractive. And while it shifts based on relative comparisons of any given group at any given time, we're still pretty bounded to absolute attractiveness signals rather than just relative ones.

by Kyleigh87 1 year ago

Attractive doesn't exist without unnatractive and vise versa. Do you disagree?

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

I literally explained why I disagree. Are you having difficulty following what all the words I use mean in context?

by Kyleigh87 1 year ago

You didn't explain that at all. You explained why you believe humans will always be attractive in some way. You don't have to be insulting simply because I asked you a question. If you're that short tempered, why engage in the discussion at all?

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

Thank you for playing your part!

by Anonymous 1 year ago

You're welcome!

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

do we need ugly puppy dogs for there to be cute puppy dogs?

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Technically yes.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

We need to place more value in unattractive people.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Yes.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

Would you ever date small 169 cm (5.54 ft), greesy full dark hair, alcoholic belly, but handsome guy, who is toxic but has money? Unattractive and attractive can coexist in one person.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

The person you've described isn't attractive. The money is attractive but that doesn't mean the person who has it is.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

Money here is result of dilligence, persistance, hard work and smartness.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

It's also the result of corruption, greed, selfishness and narcissism.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

Web dev self thaught became senior web dev. Cmon chill.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

What?

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

It doesn't go one without other. Margot Robbie can be 10/10 if she was a crap person she would be unattractive. You talk about hypotetical situations which are impossible. And no tons of attractive people always have slight hierarchy between. And yes, you can imagine would you date a girl if she was like I described.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

I just said I'm talking about physical attractiveness specifically. No, I wouldn't date the girl you described.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

We need the darkness to know the light.

by Anonymous 1 year ago

Precisely.

by Alethareichert 1 year ago

This. One cannot exist without the other.

by sunny32 1 year ago