We should keep offensive books and movies around despite them not passing today's standards. amirite?

Disney also alters a lot of their media after the fact. I don't know if I'd hold them up as a good example on this.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I'm specifically referencing the disclaimers.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The disclaimers are fine. But it's worth pointing out the company doesn't just use disclaimers. They do actually change media for a variety of reasons. And they're not very transparent about it.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

…except they literally do on Disney plus for their old movies???

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Lots of movies on Disney Plus are alerted. The fact you don't realize this kind of proves my point as to why this is a problem. That's literally the only point I'm making. I'm not saying they don't put disclaimers on some old movies.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This is why I buy media on disc. They can't change it later except with BD Live.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Yeah, I buy physical too. Sad, it's dying out. I can't believe people are fine with not owning media and letting companies remove/alter that media after the fact. As much as people whine about censorship online, they're all to willing to pay for it.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Agreed I mean look at Dumbo . Or Peter Pan .

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Song of the South has never been released on home video or streaming in the US, and never will be.

by Stanton40 1 week ago

That one I think is completely acceptable and shouldn't be released. I think it's a massive red flag to hold that up as a gotcha example when they still have mulan, Aladdin, dumbo and many others

by Anonymous 1 week ago

We don't need disclaimers. If people get offended by a fictional movie, that's on them.

by Fit_Lecture_8991 1 week ago

I love watching him try to keep a straight face

by Anonymous 1 week ago

It's not about being offended it's about acknowledging that the filmmakers did crappy things.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

It's not about being offended Lol

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Cool

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Warm temperature opinion for sure.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

"I just got done watching a tiktok" There's your problem.

by Current-Fix-8233 1 week ago

TicTok a tool too you know. I don't buy any of this BS about China the government just doesn't like people being able to share information they can't regulate.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Regardless of all that it's garbage that rots your brain. And the internet is not real life. It's not an accurate representation of how real people think and feel.

by Current-Fix-8233 1 week ago

Regulation is a good thing cause most people can't think for themselves.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

As crazy as the analogy seems they wrote some books that in today's society we wouldn't allow people to read. Yet I think they should be on the shelves too. We need to see that side of history even if it's hard to look at.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Sometimes I really hate living in this so called open minded society. More like so-called open minded society which is in truth a pretty much closed minded society loving to call itself an open minded society. ;-)

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Its not really the same thing at all though. Our book "bans" aren't actually bans, all those books are still perfectly available, and you won't be criminally punished for possessing those books, which can't be said of these oppressive regimes of the past (and present). It's a bit insulting to compare the two.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

There are way more good librarians than bad ones. These materials will likely be available in perpetuity. Activist librarians will either become undesirable employees or shift their activism to other areas

by cronajuliana 1 week ago

What do you think the purpose of a library is? No library can have every single book, they throw undesirable books out all the time-not based on politics but based of who wants to read what. Activist librarians simply don t exist, every curator of any type imposes limits upon a collection for a variety of reasons Politcs included. That is unless your willing to pay for every library to expand by 10 fold every over year and maintain the monolith of all human knowledge.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Offensive stuff should be kept around, but it shouldn't be promoted or advertised. Keep the Tikki Tikki Tombo, but don't put it on the "popular kids books this week rack".

by Fine-Ad-3942 1 week ago

Which books are portraying children having sex I haven't heard of these.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

OK so I looked up a Gender Queer a Memoir and apparently that's an autobiography about the authors personal experiences. I mean people have sex under age I haven't read the book personally but I do think that if it's an autobiography that person should be allowed to disclose anything they want about their life. I looked at the book Flamer and it's also it is a coming-of-age story. It just from an LGBTQ perspective from what I am seeing. Which also makes me ask the question should the show "Big Mouth" or anything else that describes teenagers having sex be banned as well. Or what about historical books where somebody marries their cousin there's only 13 years old. I think there's a bit of a line there where people have had sex before they were 18 and weather it should be banned to talk about in a book, movies, or TV shows. If that was the case we'd also get rid of the movie "Juno" or anything that talks about teen pregnancy. Also in the same contacts we would have to get rid of the book "Lord of the flies" because it's an island of naked boys running around. Should we also band books that talk about child molestation or other graphic contacts. I personally think that if it has sex in the book in general that should be for a more mature audience not for children but if there is no actual sex and it's just romance between same-sex couples that should be completely fine.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Actual historical books with major figures who changed the world are being pushed out of libraries, which is essentially a backup of your entire OP. My point is that for political agenda reasons, specific books are being censored while others are being brought in and promoted. I'm not sure how I feel about the promotion of sexualization of children regardless of sexual orientation and I think anyone who wants this type of thing in a public library should be investigated. Gender Queer specifically portrays a young boy being molested by a grown adult in a fantasy sequence. It's not just a description. They have graphic images. I'm completely fine with legal adults engaging in pornography or obscene material but the promotion to children is unacceptable. I also find it quite hypocritical that books that portray the very real racist past of the world are being pushed out while we're being more welcoming toward the sexualization of children, gay straight or whatever. It's really screwed up and this planet is full on sick.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

In Florida they banned a book about Roberto Clemente, because someone got offended, just absurd. In Florida's education system, books must be reviewed, assigned grade level, made sure they are appropriate for age groups, etc. The Clemente book was in line with 100 other books "to be reviewed" and it was cleared for school library shelves. It was never banned, the review is just protocol for all books.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Are you comparing a Roberto Clemente book to Penthouse Letters? The lengths people will go to to defend tyranny is impressive.

by Ok_Curve 1 week ago

The vast majority of us don't care what books our kids read Wow. That sums it up for me. Thank you.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

In regards to things like the statues and flags, they can still be used as teaching tools for students in the right circumstances. Sure, put it in a museum first, but in that museum, you can place information around, explaining who the person is (for a statue) or what a flag represented. If anything, it's incredibly important to teach about the infamous historical figures just as much as the famous, so we can learn from their mistakes and wrongdoings. It's all a matter of when, where, and how it is taught. First graders aren't going to be ready for it, but eleventh graders should be able to at least start.

by Pale_Talk 1 week ago

They didn't ban the book they got rid of their copy. Libraries don't have infinite space, if people aren't reading a book and other libraries in the area have copies of the book you're allowed to get rid of your copy of the book.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Should it be compulsory that a library hold on to a book if it is controversial? I don't know where the OP is talking about, but I checked worldcat and there are over 250 copies of Tikki Tikki Tembo in my region, and that's not counting the numerous collected works it's included in. If one library decided that they don't feel the need to have a copy I don't think that's a huge deal.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

That is an extremely risky stance you have taken there. Thanks for your contribution.

by Ankundingjade 1 week ago

It's a bizarre situation, isn't it? "First they came for the Confederate sympathizers..." I really wish that people could be trusted to get to a reasonable position on their own. Unfortunately, that's not the world we live in. Trying to legislate people into being reasonable, empathetic, and polite is not a workable solution, unfortunately.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

To add another point on the whole censorship debate, what if past works that are deemed racist or prejudicial are used to radicalize people? If I'm not mistaken, I believe that was a key point behind Mein Kampf. Oh, and a lot of those Confederate monuments too. From what I understand, a lot of those went up during the Civil Rights Movement. Hardly a coincidence there. Having all these bad actors in the mix definitely complicates things.

by Electrical_Jacket_38 1 week ago

Let's see if that becomes a double standard with people who want to ban books about trans people existing but claim to want freedom from censorship. Hypocrisy is par for the course for christofascists

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Young people aren't being tight about sex, and no book teaching children sex has been banned. Instead any boom that doesn't mention a perfectly heterosexual relationship/a cis gender character has been banned, under the guise of 'teaching sex'. Also, no one has ever been taught to be trans, they just generally are trans from birth, kids generally establish their gender identity by the age of 4, and teaching kids to be accepting of those who are doesn't do any thing to their supposive 'development' either. Also I don't understand what you mean by 'sexual deviations', but good and comprehensive sex education is the format tool against teenage pregnancy and pedophilia.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

*a part But yes, I totally agree with you.

by No-Meeting 1 week ago

Is it unpopular, though? Most people I talk to seem more eager to put things into context, it's mostly a very loud minority that wants to ban this or that outright.

by jastjaclyn 1 week ago

Not an unpopular opinion

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Seems like the problem could largely be solved by increased media and internet literacy and basic research skills… Though, if a book purports to be providing factual information about demonstrably real things, and that information is demonstrably false, to what extent should an effort be made to supply it? Libraries do have limited space, no?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Even DISNEY agrees with this... I don't see anyone arguing

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Should we take offensive books out of public grade school school, yes. Should we ban those books from public (city/county) libraries, college libraries, sale online or in bookstores, or from private collections? Hell no. It's important to keep a record of all our writings as a species because you never know when evening is about to go tits up.

by Ok_Truck 1 week ago

This is a popular opinion and if you want to read tikki tikki tombo I'm sure you could find a copy. This opinion is so popular that people constantly bring it up to win arguments even when it's not germane to the discussion.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

You almost certainly still have access to the book, WorldCat told me that my region has over 250 copies of the book, and that isn't including the many collected works that include the story. Every library can't have every book.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Agreed... Also, books are not turning your kids gay. You don't want your kid to read a book? Don't let them, but please, leave teachers, librarians, and the books themselves alone.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I think the focus should be on calling out and correcting the behavior of people who want to bring down old media, rather than even trying to legitimize their bitching. So no "separate section", no need to talk about "context". Either read it or watch it as is, even if it has THE N WORD (oh, horrors!) or whatever, or don't watch it, but just shut up.

by Lorineaufderhar 1 week ago

People read and watched these things for decades or centuries and did not bitch and moan because they understood context and authorial intent implicitly. The tiny minority today who bitch and moan, likely without ever having read or watched these things, should not be catered to. They don't care about the media; they just want to bitch and be listened to. They should be told to sit down and shut up. No disclaimers.

by Lorineaufderhar 1 week ago

ICE cold take

by Hot-Let 1 week ago

I totally agree. While I wouldn't read mein kampf I think it's important that people understand different mindsets and the events that shaped history. You could ban mein kampf or the communist manifesto but people would have less of an understanding of very important historical events that shaped the world. It goes back to the quote "those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it"

by Stromanfloy 1 week ago

the fact that "we shouldn't censor things" is considered an unpopular opinion is wild

by Legitimate-Range70 1 week ago

I just think it's dumb that they have a banned book section.

by Xander21 1 week ago

Not unpopular. I don't see anyone banning Gone with the Wind or Birth of a Nation. But it's important to explain the cultural context in which it was written.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

15 years old would be pushing it. But let's say the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is published without any explanation that it's a fake created by Russian antisemites....

by Anonymous 1 week ago

That's how you get edgelords thinking they've discovered some hidden truth when they read Mein Kampf.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Come on, Mein Kampf is different than Huckleberry Finn or The Shining. That's not what I'm talking about.

by Lorineaufderhar 1 week ago

Huckleberry Finn should definitely have an introduction explaining the language that would be offensive today. I forgot what's offensive about The Shining. Never read it.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I hope this isn't unpopular; it's correct.

by Alternative_Play_882 1 week ago

It's important to know where we came from to understand where we're headed.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

People love to say this until it's a book or movie they don't like and think should be banned.

by Capital_Ad 1 week ago

lol when I found out perks of being a wallflower got banned.

by Powerful_Bathroom563 1 week ago

As long as it's being used as a tool to teach history and it's made clear why that isn't okay today, and it is used with students who are capable of understanding those things, the option should be there. Most first graders aren't going to be ready to fully understand why Song of the South is so problematic in today's age, but eleventh graders would be more likely to understand the issues. It's all a matter of the right time and place.

by Pale_Talk 1 week ago

100% agree.

by fmohr 1 week ago

That book specifically is a bad example. I think context helps, but the context for that book is just the author being a numb nuts racist, which is a challenging ‘context' to apply to a book made for small children

by Anonymous 1 week ago