Teacher do advance their knowledge and skill. Many teach and go to school for their masters at the same time. They also don't work a typical 8 hours. You have 8 hours of teaching and any extra curriculars, sports, clubs, tutoring, etc. that they do. Then after that you have to grade homework, papers, tests, etc. and make lesson plans. They are also dealing with children or teens going through puberty. It's a lot of work to manage a classroom of 30 kids like that.

by Slight_Tackle 1 week ago

Right I'm not saying the job isn't hard, but you can do the same thing with any job. You could point out all of the pitfalls and challenges and unfair things about every single job.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Yes you can say how any job is hard. The point is that the job is not only hard and stressful but is necessary for a successful and functional society. Jobs like that should be paid well and schools should be well funded. There shouldn't be stories of teachers needing a second job to make ends meet. Plus idk where you think teachers aren't evaluated like the corporate world. They have just as many meetings and constantly evaluated not just on their student metrics but on their teaching which is why principals will sit in while they teach and analyze what they do. They also deal with parents who are critical over what is taught or how it is taught to their kid.

by Slight_Tackle 1 week ago

Until you actually do the job, I don't think you can accurately determine if their being dramatic about the difficulties of their job.

by oconnerceline 1 week ago

I'm not saying it's not hard, but I do think it's funny that the point every teacher makes about school being awful: the kids behavior, is the most obvious part of the job.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Yeah but seems like a "the leopards ate my face" sort of complaint. Like a plumber complaining his workplace always smells like poop.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Teachers are in a management position. They have to manage a group of people, they have to mitigate their group's problems, they have to train their group, they have to be responsible for their group's safety. Teachers are in management positions, being paid entry level position pay. Sure - being off during the summer would be great. But how many jobs require you to work outside the allotted hours and with no pay, and how many jobs require you to spend your own money to have supplies?

by Amazing_Performer 1 week ago

And to add to that, They're given pretty much zero power to actually manage the people they're expected to manage.. and the kids know that now.

by ettie77 1 week ago

The difference is that your employees are probably fully grown and mature adults. Not teenagers who want to see what they can get away with. The other difference is that your director would probably actually fire people if they acted like some of the kids acted. Imagine one of your employees constantly screaming at you and ruining meetings for everyone else.. or imagine you have a employee who is constantly physically assaulting another employee.. and then your director going out of his way to make sure nothing happens to that employee and he faces no consequences. I'd assume you'd get fed up with that pretty quickly. At a minimum, Teachers should be allowed to refuse certain kids from entering their classroom without the threat of being fired.

by ettie77 1 week ago

Many salary jobs require "unpaid" hours. Teachers near me average about 100k plus awesome benefits and get 2 months off a year. The teachers I personally know are over 100k since they are not early career teachers.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Yeah can someone please point me to the corporate job that doesn't have me up until 4am trying to finish a project with an unfair deadline at least once a week?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

He's the management 🤷

by Jensenrunolfsso 1 week ago

I'm in a marketing management position. Confirmed.

by Amazing_Performer 1 week ago

Today at work a customer told me her daughter who teaches 6th grade English is not being paid over maternity leave. They will give her 12 weeks of but said they "don't have an obligation to pay her". They also aren't paid over lunch or for recess.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Pensions are pretty rare elsewhere in the job world too.

by TestInevitable 1 week ago

You accusing people of not knowing how it is in the corporate world when you clearly have no concept of what reality is for teachers shows a contradiction that was clearly lost on you. Everyone finds downsides to their profession, many complain, but few are as justified as teachers. Kids are extremely difficult to wrangle, parents are hugely unreasonable in their expectations of faculty, tax-payers and legislators refuse to properly allocate funds for the benefit of the school systems, lawmakers with agendas callously enact impossible to meet guidelines around curriculum. Time-off is spent grading papers and preparing lessons, personal income is spent making up for lack of funding. Those teachers that do get summers off often supplement income with summer school, or some other temporary work out of necessity. The list goes on. The problem with teachers' wages is clear. Qualifications should be more rigorous and pay should reflect that accordingly in order to attract not only passionate educators, but more talented candidates. A lack of education is a clear contributor to a hateful and xenophobic culture. It can't end when we won't invest in our public schools. But, hey, you don't get summers off. I guess it all evens out.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I can clearly tell that you are a teacher from your response. You perfectly pointed out the kind of attitude that non teachers having to listen for the 10th time to how bad and hard the teaching profession is can't stand. You point out my supposed contradiction while simultaneously saying "few are as justified as teachers". Following your logic- how could you say that if you haven't worked every job? Everyone here is complaining about red tape and kids as the worst parts… as a public school teacher. If I got a job as a plumber and then constantly complained that my workplace smelled like poop and my boss didn't care that my workplace smelled like poop, and then complained ad nauseam about how they should really do something about the smell of poop in the plumbing profession, it would seem silly right? And you say getting summers off like it's really flippant, but you realize that's like over 350-400 hours of labor annually. That's a massive deal.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

"But hey, you don't get summers off, so I guess it evens out." Between summers and school holidays, teachers get something like 10-12 weeks of paid vacation per year whereas 10 days is pretty generous in the corporate world. Over an entire 30 year career, the net difference in hours worked would fall between 10-15 thousand hours, which is significantly over an entire 24/7 calendar year difference. I think teachers refuse to look at this figure honestly and realizing it has at least something to do with why it's never going to be a six figure role, and does it really deserve to be?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

You're referring to the same teachers who get death threats for merely doing their jobs?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The public schools in my area are very good and the teachers are great. We also don't have any of the woke stuff going on that everyone is so upset about being in schools. I guess it just depends what school you work for.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

It's almost like all of this "woke" stuff in schools was invented by the far right to dupe dumb people into voting for fascists.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

It's funny that you say that. All of the fascist movements in Europe that were successful were preceded by communist/socialist/far left movements that scared or pissed people off so much that they were happy when the fascist came along. It's almost as if, if you want a fascist movement to succeed, you need a far left movement for it oppose.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Yes, noted far leftist Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler /s lol dude literally read a book.

by Anonymous 1 week ago