Zero tolerance policy at school only encourages more fighting, amirite?

Or at least finish the fight.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Yep. Had a VP tell my dad, a uniformed police officer, that he couldn't arrest a girl that had been assaulting me in the halls. He also had the nerve to call my dad's sgt to complain about him.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The entire purpose of "zero tolerance" is to reduce the amount of work that school staff has to do. Punishing the instigator would require them to do their jobs.

by Tobin52 1 week ago

Then they should be referring the assault incidents to the police, but punishing everyone the same is just being lazy.

by Tobin52 1 week ago

One of the few old-people-isms I'm on board with, but I do get why schools do it that way. Even nowadays that there's video in every school, we (Americans) have developed a culture that is very litigious and where every parent believes their child is the main character. Doesn't matter if 16yo convicted felon Spike "Babypuncher" Jr started it, 100lbs-soaking-wet "Pizza Face" McGee probably provoked him. Schools would rather deal with two mildly pissed off parents than one furious one. Plus it saves them the trouble of investigating incidents and addressing problems, not to mention the legal nightmare of expelling a student from a public school. I'd like to think my kid is smart enough to avoid fights altogether, but if not, I hope they can at least stand up for themselves.

by Ophelia79 1 week ago

ELI5, but zero tolerance policy effectively bans self-defense?

by runolfsdottirzu 1 week ago

Yes

by Anonymous 1 week ago

In some cases it also bans getting your ass kicked without throwing a punch. The victim will also get suspended.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This is a prime example of how treating parties in an incident equally or equitably doesn't equivocate to it being handled justly. Equality =/= Equity =/= Justice

by ldaniel 1 week ago

My school had a freshmen who was drug out in hand cuffs because 3 seniors a foot taller than him jumped him because they felt like it. A few hours later the video made it to social media then they arrested the seniors and let the freshman go. The freshman was about to start dialysis.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Its basically so teachers dont have to adjudicate petty squabbles between children. Due to these issues remaining unrsolved, they tend to fester. They either need to let the kids work it out or punish the aggressor, preferably punish the aggressor.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The government wants to condition everyone to not fight back so they can abuse us later

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Yes it wouldnt work in court so its nonsense.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

That's collective punishment - it's punishing everyone involved independent of guilt, just because they were part of it. They are punishing the victim? Whoever had this idea needs a psychiatrist, and also shouldn't be supervising or defining rules for anyone, ever. The only time I've seen something similar (excluding my original example) is in court martials where if you are blamed, even if you're not actually guilty, you'll get some penalty because you occupied the court's time. (And that's insane as well).

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Ah. Yup, makes sense, apologies for asking.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Ok but how many people avoid fighting all together because they don't want to get kicked out? If the punishment was a slap on the wrist, there would be far more fights.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Zero tolerance means if someone attacks you they get expelled. The victim gets suspended to let things simmer down. Do you want to send the victim of an attack to school the next day so the offenders friends can attack them?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

That is not the common zero-tolerance policy.

by BaseballThen 1 week ago

It is actually.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

But if you didn't punish people just for being attacked, then a lot of them wouldn't resort to beating the crap out of the attacker. And on a different note, you should be allowed to reasonably defend yourself without being punished.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Zero tolerance doesn't expel in cases of self defense. A suspension is common to let things cool down.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Walking down the hall, minding your own business, getting beat up, and STILL getting suspended for getting beat sets a terrible example

by Desperate-Act 1 week ago

That's exactly how life works. If you get attacked at your workplace, they fire the other employee and send you home for few days to be safe. Same goes in jail. Separate victim and offender. You don't put them in the same cell.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

you have the bad take here champ. You would get suspended if you defended yourself from being hit. it was crazy.

by Original-Outside-423 1 week ago