+45 There's nothing wrong with pulling out a gun if someone wants to fight you. amirite?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

If you pull out a gun you better be prepare to use it. You never know what your opponent have up his sleeve .

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This is a very important article that I'm surprised hasn't been shared more.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

You never know what your opponent have up his sleeve Yea, could have hidden arms up there.

by klingrafaela 1 week ago

This. Without hesitation. If you pull a gun on me and don't pull the trigger, you can be sure I will.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I like how they say "if you don't pull the trigger I will" and you're talking about how they wouldn't have time. The entire scenario depends on the fact that the first person is hesitating to shoot and literally giving them the time.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

A shooter hesitating doesn't mean you have time to draw and shoot.

by Tressawitting 1 week ago

Yep, this is how fights turn deadly. One guy tries to threaten the other with a weapon, only for the other guy to match the escalation. If someone pulled a gun on me and held me up, my assessment of the situation has just gone from fistfight to everything being on the table. There's a reason you're not supposed to brandish weapons or fire "warning shots" in most situations.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

How often are you people getting into fights that this crosses your mind.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

It's a popular American male fantasy to get the opportunity to shoot someone. They think about it way too much

by One-Comfortable 1 week ago

It only takes just that one. Many people won't take a whoopin these days anymore, even if they deserve it. It also doesn't help in situations when being smacked around by many as there are a lot of fights today that has a mob mentality behind it rather than fair fights.

by Public_Egg_9686 1 week ago

Head stompers can get head shots.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Never. Like most gun nuts, they are imagining a scenario in which their masturbatory obsession with firearms pays off. These are the people who end up throwing their lives away in manslaughter cases because they've spent years fantasizing about an opportunity to use their firearm.

by Illustrious_Wrap 1 week ago

I didn't say all gun owners, I said most gun nuts.

by Illustrious_Wrap 1 week ago

If you're not a nut, my reply isn't about you.

by Illustrious_Wrap 1 week ago

No, they said "most gun nuts". They never said everyone is a gun nut.

by borersheila 1 week ago

Aggressive people. The same people who want to conceal carry, are the same ones instigating fights.

by StickPractical9830 1 week ago

Yeah no, i promise that's not the case. Are there some jackasses? Yes, but the majority of concealed carry holders just go about their business

by Material-Day8896 1 week ago

I conceal carry to protect myself from road ragers and unstable people. Totally makes me an aggressive person. /s

by Material-Waltz1749 1 week ago

It "should" be a peacemaker. If they have any sense their hands go up and those closed fits are open palms and they are stepping back saying you know what I don't care what I was so angry about anymore. If they don't, well outliers exist, then there is a story about not pointing a gun at somebody you aren't ready to use it on. I wouldn't think you want that outcome or it on your conscience. It's a big gambit with the odds overwhelmingly in your favor to make peace, but the one time it didn't would be very memorable for you.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Geezus. My opinion must be unpopular then: Why is pulling a gun supposed to be normal?

by Existing-Extent 1 week ago

Why is carrying a firearm normal?

by Square-Wonder-3995 1 week ago

OP is like "A fight can end in serious injury. To prevent this, you should introduce a firearm immediately."

by Illustrious_Wrap 1 week ago

I've carried a gun for decades, never had to pull it, but definitely been in some situations where I was glad to have it.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This all assumes that: a. You are an innocent bystander just going about their business, and b. They are a random unarmed stranger who has decided to try and fight you. If you're not actually all that innocent, then this won't end well for you. If they are somehow justified in approaching you, or otherwise not threatening you, this won't end well for you. If they happen to also be carrying, you're now in a vastly more dangerous situation.

by Old_Appointment4453 1 week ago

Yeah, like enjoy your lengthy manslaughter trial if things go wrong.

by Illustrious_Wrap 1 week ago

I prioritize my safety and well-being -OP I think drawing a gun to escalate a situation when there is a risk of an altercation is an awesome idea also OP

by Dazzling-Sail-2389 1 week ago

I'm over here thinking, "Why are y'all getting in so many fights?!"

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Before puling a gun in a fist fight it's better just paper spraying them. It's a safe deescalator

by Anonymous 1 week ago

That only works if they pull rock first

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I like the idea that in the middle of an all out brawl, you would need to play rock paper scissors to see who gets pepper sprayed lol.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Say I had the pepper spray, but you won the RPS, would I have to give you the pepper spray and just accept my fate?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

be honorable and pepper spray yourself, it's the only way.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

"Ok, reflex save everyone"

by Beginning_Message 1 week ago

Wait you can buy a spray that covers things in paper mache? This changes everything.

by Icy-Celebration 1 week ago

If you don't back down, I will silly string your ass!!

by shane 1 week ago

True, I've never seen a fight while a confetti cannon is going off.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Ok, now they also pull out a gun. The chances of getting seriously injured or killed don't seem to have gone down.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

You are so scared of the consequences of a fist fight, that you would turn any fist fight into a gun fight? Sounds like an attitude to get shot with soon.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Someone attacking you isn't entitled to a fair fight. You could absolutely get killed or permanently injured in an uncontrolled fist fight.

by OldAddition6825 1 week ago

You can also get killed or permanently injured in a gunfight…

by Beginning_Message 1 week ago

Yes. If an attacker has a gun a lot of this is moot, but they'd probably hold their victim at gunpoint instead of mugging them. Someone who initiates the kind of violence most people think of for these scenarios I would believe to likely be armed with less than a gun, but if they are it's a different argument. All of this is peripheral to conversations about gun control, which should just be the central focus. But in the context of personal firearms being legal, the use as defined in OP's opinion is probably justified, save for situations where augmenting factors are more obvious.

by OldAddition6825 1 week ago

Don't start any fights, don't get shot.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Non lethal options are totally viable such as pepper spray. You get a good dose of that in the eyes and you're not fighting anyone.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

You accidentally hit yourself with it, you left yourself more vulnerable to your attacker.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The first line of self-defense is to stay out of situations where you have to defend yourself.

by Morrisrowe 1 week ago

For sure, but sometimes they come looking for you.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This is an American argument

by ConsciousScholar3948 1 week ago

Replace gun with knife and shoot with stab and we're now in Europe. 🤷

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Bloody wankers innit?

by bernhardohara 1 week ago

I mean, not really. The homicide rates are not comparable.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Irrelevant to the argument.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

It's just self-defense 101.

by Commercial_Teach 1 week ago

Jesus. I am so glad i do not live in America.

by Sisterlubowitz 1 week ago

Don't worry, the guy you're replying to is just trying to pretend to be a badass. We are not pulling guns on each other constantly.

by Illustrious_Wrap 1 week ago

Self defense 101 is don't get into a fight.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Self-defense 101 is don't escalate a situation by adding a lethal weapon into the mix

by Anonymous 1 week ago

why risk fighting at all ? running is the superior self defense techique in almost all cases

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Not if your adversary has a gun lol

by Gislasondaphne 1 week ago

It's called brandishing. It's a crime. Gun 101 is you don't pull it unless you're gonna use it. You can of course tell them you're armed and ready to use it, but if you whip it out, you'd better be firing, in fear of your life (or someone else's) and ready to kill somebody.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Brandishing while committing a crime is "armed __"

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Armed littering

by DesperateLow4581 1 week ago

or just walk away?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Prison. But okay

by Anonymous 1 week ago

The great equalizer

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Meet force with force You don't immediately nuke a country if they declare war with you so why is shooting ok? Use non-lethal, escape, and only then is pulling a gun out justified when you're cornered.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

OP been watching Friday and imagining himself as a bad ass in situations that will likely never happen

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This is whole sale stupid, why escalate a fight to a murder off?

by VegetableDimension58 1 week ago

What are you gonna do, shot me?

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I think the problem with that is if they also have a weapon or are faster than you and get a hold of your gun first. I'm not much of a fighter either but like… I can run pretty fast.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

OP sounds like a cop that would shoot a Chihuahua or a kid with a fork because they felt unsafe.

by zackary10 1 week ago

pulling a gun without using it can be used against (assault with a deadly weapon). if you're going to pull it out, use it

by roxannegislason 1 week ago

Always keep in mind Rule 1 of gun safety. NEVER POINT YOUR WEAPON AT SOMEONE YOU DO NOT WANT TO KILL. This is why you do NOT use guns to threaten someone. If that other person also has a gun, there's a 100% chance you just got into a shootout. Unlike in action movies, when you shoot someone, they do NOT drop at once. Even if you hit them in the heart, they have a few seconds to return fire. My point is threatening with a gun is a guarantee that you'll escalate the situation.

by Ok-Order4957 1 week ago

some people have died just because they pulled out the gun

by Litteladolphus 1 week ago

Step 1: try to remove yourself from the situation. Step 2: try to diffuse the situation. Step 3: if there's no hope of exiting or diffusing the situation you do whatever it is that needs to be done to ensure your safety. I love guns, huge enthusiast and do lots of hobbies around the sport of shooting. I hope I'm never put in the situation where I have to use one on a human being. I don't want somebody to never wake up, never see their parents or kids again because of a mistake. But with that in mind I will put the safety of my family first every single time even though I live in a country where the self defense laws are in favor of the offender. Knowing that I own guns means I do everything in my power to stay out of trouble, even if it means getting ridiculed or called cowardly.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This isn't the way to go. Definitely go to the "i don't want to fight" stage but don't get into flashing that gun until you're sure it's gonna get used. Keep distance and avoid the fight. Once it gets to the point where it's unavoidable shoot for center mass.

by kathlyn27 1 week ago

The bigger problem with drawing a gun in a fight is you've massively escalated the situation, from a minor fight to life and death. Maybe the other guy backs down, maybe you have to shoot them, maybe they shoot you with a gun of their own or they take your gun and shoot you as it turns out you're not the stone cold killer you imagined you were. Maybe you try and shoot them and end up hitting a bunch of bystanders. It does the complete opposite of de-escalate the situation, it ramps it up to 11 instantly.

by kadenlakin 1 week ago

That's why if you're a CCW holder you don't fight. Ever. Walk away. If someone INSISTS on fighting, you shoot them. You don't flash the gun, you don't tell them you have it. If they find out, it's via a few extra holes getting poked in them.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Agreed. Body language won't hold up in court. Brandishing a gun is branshing a gun. If anything THEY can claim self defense after killing you.

by Adventurous_Put 1 week ago

This is fukn ridiculous 😂😂😂😂

by Jacobsadeline 1 week ago

100%. I'm not some super badass dude, but I would generally be confident in a fight. But I sure as hell am not going to fight someone. A 110 pound girl could push me, I trip/slip, fall, crack my head on the sidewalk and die (or end up with serious damage). That's probably not going to happen, but it could. That's how easy it is to die in a fight. Now if there's a more serious threat? I guess you can try to fight me. I'm not going to fight back though. Not with my hands, at least.

by xleuschke 1 week ago

I don't think that's an unpopular opinion. They decided to attack you, they decided to endanger their lives. Protecting my loved ones and myself will always be my priority.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Tazer, paper spray, de-escalation, calling for help, learning martial arts. There are MANY, MANY, other options before pulling a gun. Evident by how you don't see people getting beaten to death daily even in countries where guns are illegal...

by Remarkable_Land 1 week ago

Karate isn't really that useful in America, you can't judo chop a bullet

by Gislasondaphne 1 week ago

I've been doing taekwondo since early childhood. But requiring everyone to be an experiences martial artist to practice their right to self defense is just unrealistic. Also if you think you could take on anyone in any situation just because you are a martial artist, you are delusional. Don't tell me that I should be okay with taking punches from a random attacker even if I win. When I go out I do not sign up for an involuntary figh. If I get attacked, I want the threat to end as soon as possible, and not do a standoff with a rando who might or might not "play fair". Pepper spray is okay, but not exactly ideal. Itis better thn nothing tho. If you are anti-gun, then that's a good idea to carry. Just remember that if someone attack you it is not a fair fight to begin with. You don't have to play fair either.

by Bpfeffer 1 week ago

How is this unpopular? You pretty much described the lawful use of a weapon in self defense. Are you maybe confused about all the videos of people who first start fist fights and then pull out a gun when losing? We call those people cowardly losers because that's exactly what they are.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Many gross bullies will start a fight just so they can play out their psycho fantasies

by Mcculloughlorna 1 week ago

Learn how to fight lil bro🤣🤣🤣

by Whole-Respect 1 week ago

"Dont pull the thang out, unless you plan to bang" - Andre 3k

by Kerlukecarole 1 week ago

"I think it's important to prioritize your safety and well-being ..." Ok, this is normal. "... especially when it comes to physical altercations". Uh oh, side eyes. This devolved quickly. "TL;DR why settle for boring, fisticuffs violence when you can have gun violence?" I like to prioritise my safety and well-being by not getting into physical altercations.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

If you truly feel in danger and there is no other choice then yes but use extreme caution, if you pull out a gun you need to be prepared to use it.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This dude wakes up like Rambo before the final act. Bandana, knives, guns, milk and cereal. "I'm off to school mom! I might not make it back. Love you". And his mom goes "right dear, don't forget your urban camouflage gear and drink enough water, bye!". Before he opens the door he checks the skies for planes dropping napalm on innocent civilians and then runs to the bus. Once in the bus, a bully trips him and he falls flat on his face. Rambo gets up, pulls a gun and shoots the bully in the face. "That's what you get m%th÷rf@ckr for messing with the wrong dude". Everyone claps for him, he's the hero of the day, girls grab their cheerleader gear and start spelling out "R. A.M.B.O". The busdriver high fives you and says he'll take care of the body ... again. Moral of the story ... be nice to busdrivers because one day you might need them to ditch a body for you.

by Equivalent-Gold1707 1 week ago

In the ideal scenario i do agree. But the thing is, more often than not, the person carrying is the aggressor in a confrontation.

by StickPractical9830 1 week ago

Except of course, laws. Force needs to be enough to deter and that would constitute aggravated assault and most likely lead to your arrest.

by Urbangulgowski 1 week ago

I'm trying to imagine a scenario where a gun is drawn and the situation descalates. I think a gun will escalate the urgency and twitchiness of everyone. I don't think there is a hard fast rule here like you want there to be. A person who is wanting a fight mentally is already not rational

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Completely agree, but make sure you train with your weapon of choice whatever it is so you actually know what you are doing. And if you pull it out you need to be willing to use it and deal with the consequences.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I have neck issues and a CCL, I'm calm in most situations and I'm not going to get into any right I don't have to. I'll absolutely pull a gun before engaging in a physical altercation, but I'll let them know before I start shooting also, if I have time.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I don't think so, it's kinda the same as my knife. When I get into a fight I don't bring out my knife because I don't know if the other dude has one. I would rather bruises than cuts. I only pull my knife out when they pull a knife out. to be fair if they pull a gun out tho I'm done for

by Individual_Brain 1 week ago

If there is a window of opportunity, left hand on barrel, push it down to your left, right hand in neck. A couple stabs in the front of the throat will do the trick very fast. Like a honey badger on meth. Fast as possible. Poke poke poke poke. They've got about 10 seconds if you get the artery. Just got to keep the barrel under control till they pass out and die.🩸

by Anonymous 1 week ago

You're playing with fire

by doris21 1 week ago

Your first response should always be to either leave if you can, or de-escalate if you can't... but if those two fail, there is not a damn thing wrong with moving to, "I'm not going to fight you. Whether that means you walk away or you hit the concrete with more holes than God intended is up to you."

by Jailynhowe 1 week ago

Pretty sure this is highly illegal, everywhere

by Able-Sir 1 week ago

Stand your ground

by SuperbDepartment4384 1 week ago

Pulling out a gun should be taken as a sure sign that you're about to shoot someone, and should get you preemptively shot by anyone else present who has a gun, for the safety of everyone else present. Not sure if escalating the situation to a gunfight was really a good idea.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Getting into a fight is dangerous. Your head could hit the pavement. You could get KO'd and your opponent continues to damage you. Permanent medical problems can easily happen when fighting in the wild up to death. So pulling a gun or any weapon and immediately using it is smart. Once someone has crossed to the point of a physical altercation, you have to take on the doctrine of MAD just like the US govt does with Russia. People who forgo having a gun are like countries that forgo having nukes. Without nukes, they are at the mercy of the countries with nukes. Without a gun you are also at everyones mercy with a gun. Level the field

by Anonymous 1 week ago

I may be wrong, pulling a gun only seems to make the other person challenge you more figuring you won't shoot them

by schuppeshad 1 week ago

I've managed to avoid fighting since I was about 10 years old. Everyone's circumstances are different. But my guess is you will be happier and live a lot longer if you put your gun away and just back away from stupid people.

by Putrid_Score_9560 1 week ago

The old brandishing a firearm tactic? Yeah that's illegal.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Okay, you pull out your gun. What's next? 1) The assailant backs down, it's a win. 2A) The assailant doesn't back down, you shoot him, now you're in all sorts of legal troubles, prison time is possible. 2B) He manages to grab your gun, you end up shooting an innocent by stander. Now you're in big trouble and definitely going to prison. 2C) You lose the control of the gun or he pulls out his own gun, you can get shot. Which potentially means death or life altering injuries.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Found the guy who's going to get killed with his own gun.... This is him right here. You don't pull unless you plan on firing. Someone who really wants your hide is going to grab that gun out of your hand immediately. Which is why you better be firing if you pull, and justified in doing so. You don't get it.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Sounds like an American issue, moving on

by Edward43 1 week ago

Op has obviously never been arrested before. I would rather take a beating than go to jail for an assault with a deadly weapon charge. Take your beating and send the other guy to jail. It's not that hard.

by ntorphy 1 week ago

There's a difference between starting a fight mutually (even if you don't throw the first punch), in which case you shouldn't pull a gun, and being attacked, in which case you have every right to. Any suggestion that you were involved in instigating it will make for a legal nightmare, even if its a 'good shoot'.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This is so stupid lol. Violence only begets more violence. Learn to deescalate situations, not make them worse lol

by Healthy_Newspaper 1 week ago

We have turned into a nation of cowards that can't face the world without carrying a gun everywhere, and the right to kill anybody that we think might be a threat to us.

by Great_Power 1 week ago

Trying desperately to find an actual justification for owning a gun

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Love how most people in here are giving the sage-like wisdom of "Just don't get into fights" or "don't escalate the fight", as if there aren't people who will attack and kill you regardless. You geniuses wouldn't even know the difference until it's too late. But sure, get attacked and pat yourself on the back for "not making it worse", that is if you still have the capability of patting yourself when it's all done.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

If someone is looking for a fight A) Keep distance and try to calm the other person down B) If the still approach you: Run C) If you are cornered and cannot run, ask them what they want. If they want your stuff, give them your stuff D) If they want to hurt you. Fight for your life.

by Subject-Lemon 1 week ago

Dang, US is becoming like brasil.

by Aroberts 1 week ago

Okay there Indiana Jones

by Anonymous 1 week ago

It's easier and less risky to just run away rather than pull a gun out

by Anonymous 1 week ago

This is only unpopular among incredibly sheltered people who've never actually been threatened with violence and to whom the idea of needing to take responsibility for their own self defense is frightening.

by Beerreba 1 week ago

Sure but what works better is avoiding those situations. Not engaging road idiots, not being in iffy bars or parts of town at late hours.

by ricemadilyn 1 week ago

You can always do that but also carry in case what you described doesn't work.

by Bpfeffer 1 week ago

I assume you are from the US

by One-Wheel-3841 1 week ago

You pull a gun, they could too. You could shoot them and murder an innocent person. You pull a gun, shoot and end up in prison.... like how are these better than fighting.

by bheidenreich 1 week ago

What about the brave man that said: "Guns aren't for threats, they are for action"

by Beieranabelle 1 week ago

Glad I don't live in America.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

As a last resort, yes. It's still smart to try and exit the situation either through talking them down or making a run for it. If you pull a gun, you have to be prepared to use it. The other person may pull their own gun, and if you aren't prepared to shoot, you're in trouble because they've called your bluff. Also, you have to make sure you can, in no way, be interpreted as the aggressor. Otherwise a court could rule that it isn't self defense and you were brandishing a weapon illegally.

by Anonymous 1 week ago

Why use such drastic ways when pepperspray can give you enough time to get away and NOT kill or seriously injure another human beeing no matter how horrible they are

by Anonymous 1 week ago