Kids with learning disabilities should not be in regular class. amirite?

I feel like your actual opinion is that kids who disrupt the class they are in should not be put in those classes. Because you can have learning disabilities and not disrupt class. You can have challenges reading and excel at math, can be a history whiz but really struggle with math, etc. you can also struggle but not disrupt the class and get extra help outside of class

by Anonymous 5 months ago

I agree. It's rarely the case that the low level of a student in itself is holding the rest of the class back. I'm torn on this, as I have felt huge frustration towards kids in class that disrupt and are usually unable to function properly in class (I work part time as a teacher), while I on the other side see the value of social connection the kids have with the rest of the class. I can't help but feel that putting kids in a special class makes them less likely to be a part of the society.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Dyslexia isn't what special needs classes are typically for, at least none of the special needs classes I've ever heard of

by Specialist_Drag3325 5 months ago

I love how people with no training or qualifications know exactly how education should work. I'll bet they love to go down to construction sites and yell at the bricklayers how it should be done.

by SpecialistButton3857 5 months ago

OP is in high school. . .maybe explain why it is set the way it is rather than criticizing them for not knowing.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

You really went with dyslexia? Dyslexia affects 20 percent of the population. I do agree that some kids who are mainstreamed should not be. I know one kid who functions at about a level of a two year old for most things - he can talk but it's takes prompting and is things like, "I want apple." He was mainstreamed for most of his day till grade 7. It was stupid.

by schaefereloisa 5 months ago

ADHD is the more common one isn't it

by Capable-Cry-3317 5 months ago

Especially when it's not diagnosed and you're just told that you're a lazy daydreamer but if you'd just apply yourself you have so much potential.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Very true

by Anonymous 5 months ago

ADHD and dislexia are somewhat related. Its very, VERY common for the two to come together as a package deal.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

ADHD also doesn't disrupt learning for everyone. I have ADHD and never struggled at all in school

by Anonymous 5 months ago

ADHD also doesn't disrupt learning for everyone Definitely depend on how it materializes in the individual.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

That's why I said for everyone

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Gotcha no I meant OP using the wholesale term learning disability doesn't apply to everyone in terms of if they will disrupt a class

by Anonymous 5 months ago

I think it depends. I was in the integrated classes. But what I didn't like is that sometimes they took us out of the "normal" classes while we were in the class to go to the resource classes. Just to go do basically nothing. Or then sometimes we would get integrated with the "normal" classes and then we wouldn't be learning with the other students they would just make us all sit on the computers in the back. Which was fun but it made you feel singled out and you really weren't learning anything. But I also did the regular classes with just an extra teacher with us. Which made it so if I needed extra help with something there was 2 teachers so it wouldn't take away from other students and the other students could ask for help from the resource teacher. Being pulled out of classes for OT was super fun though. But yes I agree if a kid needs extra help then the parents shouldn't prevent them from getting it brcause they are embarrassed.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Lmao you really went with dyslexia

by PossessionIll6063 5 months ago

It actually reads like satire in defense of inclusive education classrooms. Like, OP has a point here, if we start booting every student with some sort of learning or behavioural challenge from general ed classes, there will be almost no one left.

by PressurePurple6936 5 months ago

Ask your mom and dad to put you in private school if you want to avoid the general public.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Some parents refuse to acknowledge their kid have learning disabilities and get the appropriate help. I have a cousin in elementary school who has clear speech and learning disabilities but his mother refuses to let him see a speech pathologist and put him in special education classes. Then she wonders how come he is behind in his learning levels based on teachers' evaluation

by Anonymous 5 months ago

This is basically what I came here to say. When I went to elementary school there were a couple of kids that attended "normal" classes with the rest of us, and it was obvious (even to the kids) that they didn't belong there. The parents would hide behind the "I want my child to be treated the same", but in reality they were too lazy or uncaring to actually get the child appropriate help.

by Adaline87 5 months ago

The more you ask questions, the more you follow the lessons and you understand it deeply. Excellent answer.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Or the school lacks the funding for a comprehensive SpEd program...

by Longjumping-Golf 5 months ago

It's the worst of all worlds, no funding for SpEd program, and no funding for in-classroom supports. When my mom was teaching, she'd had 4 kids in her class that qualified for full time 1-1 support, by Provincial standards, but only one EA in the room.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Your reasoning is not correct. Kids have to be identified, assessed, and placed in programs that have state level support. Some services even have to be billed through insurance. You should look up your state's programs to see if dyslexia even qualifies. Another option you have is to be smarter and find your self in the advanced placement classes where disruptive kids won't be.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Research shows that when fully funded ALL children do slightly better when disabled children are mainstreamed (Florian and Black-Hawkins, I forget the date).

by Anonymous 5 months ago

The problem is this whole policy was adopted with the idea of not funding it properly. Also I think in cases like being blind and other stuff that is particularly severe we should have schools for the blind schools for the disabled are not a bad thing.

by Extra_Mastodon 5 months ago

I genuinely don't think dyslexia is the problem. Many people just do not listen and just cannot follow simple instructions for the life of them. It doesn't matter how well you explain something, you're going to have to explain it multiple times

by Anonymous 5 months ago

I guarantee you that there are kids with learning disabilities in your kids classes that do not impact your child's learning in any way. The issue isn't "kids with LD should be in their own class" it's "kids with any differences that take up an inordinate amount of the teacher's time should be given more support". Not "kids diagnosed with learning disabilities need to be isolated from regular kids".

by FarmerCreative 5 months ago

I don't think learning disability/not learning disability is a good sieve for which class kids should go to. Disruptive/not disruptive (even without a diagnosis) is better in my mind. Kids with learning disabilities can hide in plain sight, and do perfectly well, and be non-disruptive, in a mainstream class.

by FarmerCreative 5 months ago

I think you are missing my point: the issue isn't the LD, it's the taking up too much of the teacher's time/being disruptive in class. Whether it's a physical, behavioural, emotional, mental health, or learning issue, the solution is "provide all kids that need extra help and appropriate support" NOT " all kids with LD need to be in special classes".

by FarmerCreative 5 months ago

So instead the kids without learning disabilities should be punished by not being able to learn the same amount of stuff since they have to keep going back for the less capable students? Aren't they now more likely to act up because they are bored?

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Did you even read.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Multiple of my colleagues who teach English have dyslexia. How does a kid sometimes mixing up b and d impact your child's learning?

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Dyslexia affects a few other things, but none that should affect OP personally. They're just lacking empathy.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Yikes.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Yep. Allistic social hierarchy kills empathy. Shocker./s

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Dyslexia is very common.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Disability status isn't something you, as a student, generally have access to. You don't know that it's disabilities causing the class to take longer. Dyslexia would not cause someone to have trouble listening to the teacher. As a professor, I do have access to disability information and I can tell you it's not the students with disabilities that are struggling.

by Good_Athlete_3651 5 months ago

Avoiding that is one of the advantages of sending your kids to a selective school.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Not technically a learning difficulty, but I'm visually impaired and for the first 2 years of my education, I went to a special needs school for people with physical and mental disabilities. After my second year, the teachers said that I was "too smart" for the school. I was then put into mainstream school for my third year of education and ever since then, I've been doing just fine. I have to have one-on-one support for things like Braille and adapting work to be useful for me, but it doesn't distract the other kids or teachers and, with some exceptions like exams, I got on just fine at school.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

The result is class taking 3x longer than it needs because the teachers need to constantly repeat and explain themselves. Its honestly frustrating for the rest of us. As someone who work in education, I can guarantees you it's not because of some dyslexia kids. Sounds more like a behavior problem.

by Bartolettieffie 5 months ago

Well this is nice.

by Rherzog 5 months ago

Depends on the disability and the availability of support.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

segregation core 💕💅🎉

by Anonymous 5 months ago

I had the opposite problem. When they started treating me like a university student who was relatively free from structure I excelled. I probably wouldn't have graduated if I was left in the mainstream.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Dyslexia was a bad example, but I agree.

by Realistic_Tour 5 months ago

Special Ed teachers already have huge caseloads and are stretched extremely thin, needing to give lots of attention to the student who actually need their help. You can't just throw every single student with a small problem into a special class, 30% of students would be in separated classes.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

You need to get into AP just to be at a normal pace and work load.

by horaceschultz 5 months ago

Honestly that's probably a behavior issue. Dyslexia doesn't make it hard to listen to instructions.

by Bartolettieffie 5 months ago

I have dyslexia and was in AP High School classes as well graduated from an Ivy League College, I understand it was a lot harder for me than other students but I wouldn't serve people with dyslexia should be separated

by Asleep-Revolution-42 5 months ago

A lot of learning disabilities are on a spectrum; not black and white. There are people with ADHD and autism who can pass as neurotypical around non family. I didn't get properly diagnosed with autism until after high school despite my parents believing I had it. Should they be punished? Now, if they have trouble in the classroom setting, I can maybe agree with moving them somewhere else if parents and faculty have exhausted other options.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

It sounds like you are the one that is struggling with the class and should be kicked out.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

As a practicing lawyer with dyslexia…. What?

by Rudolphkub 5 months ago