You should only be anti-fur if you are strictly vegan. amirite?

I am vegan and strongly disagree. First, fur and leather are very different. It takes an average of 40 animals to make one fur coat. Those animals, mostly mink and fox, are killed just for their skins. No one eats them. A leather jacket comes from part of a cow, but one cow produce enough leather to make multiple jackets. The cow is killed for meat and the leather is a leftover by-product that accounts for only 5% of the ranchers profit. Refusing to wear fur saves animals. Refusing to wear leather does not save any animals unless there is a corresponding decline in meat consumption. Lastly, killing for frivolous, vanity products is much worse than killing for food. Leather is a by product of food production, fur is not.

by schoenlauren 5 months ago

This is a really good argument. Not vegan, but you've convinced me against fur.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

This is strictly a scalie household!

by Curious_Champion_201 5 months ago

Leather and mink are two very different industries.

by Nathan99 5 months ago

I'm anti fur but not anti leather or meat because the use of leather is using a byproduct of food production. Fur animals with the excption of rabbit and possibly a few other things is just for the fur. You're wasting the rest of the animal just to look cute.

by Subject_Paramedic239 5 months ago

I have never met anyone who was against fur but not also leather. Although, to be devil's advocate, most fur does not come from farmed or domesticated animals and is more likely to be a product of poaching.

by RelativeLab 5 months ago

most fur does not come from farmed or domesticated animals and is more likely to be a product of poaching. That's simply not right. Most fur is from farmed animals not wild animals.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Most fur is from farmed animals not wild animals. And every furrier says so, so it must be true!

by Anonymous 5 months ago

No just facts my dude. all the common furs such as fox minks and rabbits are farmed not poached.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Rabbit, yes, because those are domestic and not wild breeds. But there are professional trappers making a living in Canada, Scandinavia, and Russia, and the pelts they produce go into the same market as all the rest. And that market makes it very difficult to determine origin with certainty. No one farms lynx, etc.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

If they are professional trappers I'm assuming the have a hunting licence or at least permission to hunt on the land so that's not poaching. Rabbit minks and foxes are the most popular animals for fur and they are all farmed. So saying most fur comes from poached animals is just wrong.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Isn't most fur from farmed rabbits? They're easy to farm and have soft fur. It's a lot less effort than poaching, so it makes no sense to say poaching is the majority. Of course poaching is wrong. But I'm no vegan, so I see no issue with farmed rabbit fur--but I could agree that all animal industries should be regulated to be as humane as possible.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Between poaching and farming exists the trapping industry.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

That's interesting. In the UK, I would say being against fur but not leather is the default position for the 95% of the population who aren't vegan. I would never wear fur here, even a vintage piece, for fear of being judged or even attacked. Leather on the other hand is generally uncontroversial for non-vegans.

by Garnet27 5 months ago

That's interesting, are you in a city/the south? I'm in the north and I've never heard anyone, other than vegans, express strong disdain towards fur.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

I am in the south, and in Bristol to boot, probably one of the vegan hotspots of the country. I don't think I've seen anyone wear fur other for several years other than the on the hoods of Canada Goose jackets. What I say is backed up by surveys though. Brits generally aren't supportive of fur clothing.

by Garnet27 5 months ago

I don't understand this take. You don't have to be vegan to be anti-fur. Fur that is sought after for clothing comes from animals we don't normally eat like chinchillas, foxes, mink, beavers, and raccoons. You can still enjoy a hamburger while being against the slaughter of these animals.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

No. Meat = the animals suffer and die, and it's not necessary for us to eat it. Fur = the animals suffer and die, and it's not necessary for us to wear it. To be against just one of these is completely hypocritical.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

This is stupid. In nature, animals kill and eat each other. I'm against animal cruelty. I'm not against killing animals. These are not the same thing.

by cruickshankmoha 5 months ago

Appeal to nature fallacy. We are not in nature anymore. We live in houses and wear clothes and watch TV with microwave dinners.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

Leather generally comes from animals that are raised to be eaten. Fur generally comes from animals that are raised for fashion. One serves a nutritinal purpose first and foremost. The other only serves the purpose of looking pretty. That said, I do not have an issue with people wearing fir because they live in extremely cold environments and that is the best way to keep warm. And I'm thinking of the native populations who are actually hunting the animals for food. But the vast majority of fir clothing is not made or used or purchased for this reason.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

There is a difference between sheepskin and cow and pig leather, and furs from animals that were solely killed for the fur. The former is a by-product of eating meat. If you are going to condone the eating of animals, it makes ethical sense to ensure the carcasse is used to the maximum extent, rather than wasted, even in part. So that means making leather from the hide. But no one eats foxes or minks. These animals are slaughtered solely for their fur, and the rest of the carcasse is thrown away.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

IMO it's fur farms that are a problem. They raise mink and other animals in crowded, cruel conditions specifically for the purpose of skinning them for their fur. Cow pelts are not the same as it's one of many byproducts from their carcass, and they're domestic species bred specifically for human consumption.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

You should watch the video taken by the reporter who went undercover at a farm owned by Coca-Cola for milk cows. I eat meat but I'm an animal lover, I can't stand to see any living creature getting mistreated or tortured, I had to turn it off, I couldn't finish it. I never liked Coke but now I flat out refuse to buy it and I try to remember all the other companies they own too and not give them ANY of my business, for my peace of mind.

by FamiliarGarbage 5 months ago

Do you think other slaughterhouses or companies are different?

by Anonymous 5 months ago

we can go a step further and say if you're vegetarian you should just be vegan. Something is better than nothing i guess

by ExplanationDull5879 5 months ago

lol its the convictions police

by Brilliant_Coconut 5 months ago

Don't agree. Meat production is not ideal but more regulated to be kinder to animals. The furriers are brutal to the animals.

by Weak-Collection-3217 5 months ago

One can admit they're morally wrong and eat meat while still condemning another wrong. Is it hypocritical? Yes. But isn't it better than being pro fur as well?

by Large-Ad5584 5 months ago

If fur is a byproduct of processing (like cowhides are), then fur is ethical Fur is not a byproduct of processing like cowhides are. Given this information, do you care to update your stance?

by Anonymous 5 months ago

I don't like fur farms but I'm fine with wild harvest fur

by Relevant-Finger 5 months ago

with that logic, if you strictly care about the planet, you shouldn't travel, shouldn't build a house, shouldn't even eat. as someone else pointed out, something is better than nothing.

by Select_Committee_668 5 months ago

Absolutely, animals are animals, it's either ok to kill them for our purposes or it's not.

by Anonymous 5 months ago

animals aren't killed for leather

by Brilliant_Coconut 5 months ago

Do they just cut the skin off a living animal then?

by Anonymous 5 months ago

off an animal that has been killed for meat, genius it's a biproduct that would otherwise go to waste or be processed into glue or whatever

by Brilliant_Coconut 5 months ago

They're still being killed for our use, in any case, so my point still stands

by Anonymous 5 months ago

As a vegan, I 100% agree. Fur and leather are two sides of the same coin.

by Cute_Cow 5 months ago