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Fines should be based on percentage of wealth instead of a set amount, amirite?
by Anonymous5 hours ago
To fund law enforcement This isnt usually the case. Normally it goes into general taxation. Which i think is important to avoid individual police departments prioritising enforcement based on a profit motive rather than a public good basis
by Anonymous5 hours ago
Good to know! I've heard differently, but I'll look into it.
by Anonymous4 hours ago
World's a big place, im sure in some places it does go to the police department. But it is never a good idea
by Anonymous4 hours ago
I agree, never a good idea
by Anonymous4 hours ago
Even if it doesn't go directly to the police department and goes to the city instead, it still can incentivize the mayor to put pressure on the police chief to make more arrests because it increases city revenue. It is the Mayor who typically appoints a police chief in the first place. A mayor is often directly involved with local law enforcement policy. So the bad incentive structure could still reach the police department through proxy regardless.
by National-Security9044 hours ago
Indeed, if the punishment is a fine the law doesn't exist for the rich
by Anonymous4 hours ago
And if it's a percentage of wealth the law doesn't exist for anyone with debt. Including basically every college grad.
by Anonymous3 hours ago
laws no longer exist for poor people because the fines would be so low they don't matter. Easy enough to resolve that issue with a fixed minimum fine. Speeding ticket? $250 or .5% of annual taxable income, whichever is higher.
by Edwin583 hours ago
Thats not really true. Loosing 10% of your money (for example) hurts a poor person much much more than a rich person because a poor person has less of their income as disposable income. It might mean you couldn't fine a homeless person, but you can't realistically fine a homeless person today anyway
by Anonymous3 hours ago
You could just give a minimum cap on the fine. E.g. whichever is higher of $100 and 10% of their monthly income
by Anonymous3 hours ago
losing £10 to a poor person living paycheck to paycheck means not getting a takeaway or not buying beer or not using the central heating for a weekend etc Losing £10,000 to a millionaire means nothing
by Anonymous2 hours ago
The laws are to keep the working class in line. If you are rich enough or poor enough, you can ignore them.
by shayneheller2 hours ago
This is already the way fines are assessed in the Nordics (Finland and Sweden for sure)
by Anonymous2 hours ago
Same here in the UK. Surely that's the way it works everywhere??
by Anonymous2 hours ago
No, they calculate some fines based on income, not wealth.
by Anonymous1 hour ago
That's awesome! I didn't know that.
by Anonymous1 hour ago
That's awesome, I didn't know that!
by Anonymous1 hour ago
So what happens when the person you're fining declares bankruptcy and hides their assets to escape having to pay the fine
by Anonymous1 hour ago
People do that all the time for taxes, too. It's a problem that needs to be solved, but not unique to this.
by Anonymous57 minutes ago
Same thing that happens now, they end up not paying the fine.
by Anonymous38 minutes ago
There needs to be a minimum
by Anonymous35 minutes ago
if student loans are not forgiven during bankruptcy why would fines be?
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