School kids are not being "sleep deprived" because of school starting at 8am, amirite?

My school started at 7:15 I had to leave my house to get to my bus at 6:15… that meant waking up at 5:30 in the morning

by Wizadimitri 2 days ago

Same here, but I have to wake up at the latest 4:40 in the morning 😭

by Anonymous 2 days ago

You think someone of OPs intelligence has the ability to understand that level of basic math?

by Warm-Use 2 days ago

This is mostly for high school kids and there is no shortage of data about the increased sleep needs in this population and how the earlier school start time of high school compared to elementary school contributes to sleep issues in this group.

by Molly15 2 days ago

Yeah HS doesn't start at 8am. Think ours was 7am.

by Calm-Temperature904 2 days ago

Also start isnt wake up time either. My school was 8 am but if you were on a team that means your pre-school practice was at 6:30 AM which meant you were getting up at 5:45 at the latest.

by Jaimeolson 2 days ago

My high school shifted from an 8:00 start time to 8:50 between my sophomore and junior years and it made a huge difference.

by claudia16 2 days ago

That's interesting where I'm from it and the middle school starts at 8:30 which is 30 minutes after the elementary school

by Anonymous 2 days ago

Yeah I think HS started at 7am middle at 730 and elementary at 8 that way they could stagger the bus pickups.

by Calm-Temperature904 2 days ago

Not every* mine started at 8:45

by Anonymous 2 days ago

If high schoolers weren't expected to do so many extra-curriculars to get into college, or if no high schoolers had to help provide income for their families, maybe a later school day would make sense. This will never happen. These trends aren't reversing any time soon.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

Yup. High schoolers want to get out of school earlier to get to jobs, etc. We had a work program at our high school. Morning was for school and then we left for work.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

That's not why they start earlier. High school starts early so the lower grades start a bit later so they align more with a typical work day, allowing parents to help the younger kids get ready, drive them to school before work, pick them up after work, etc.

by astrid70 2 days ago

Why exactly can't high schooler's extra curriculars also occur later in the day?

by claudia16 2 days ago

This is all kids, from toddler and up.

by Marquardtkiarra 2 days ago

I would go to bed at reasonable times and get decent sleep and would still be falling asleep in class because of how tired I would be from school starting at 7:30. As an adult I don't feel I need that 9+ hours anymore and I get by fine on 7-8 hours and I wake up pretty early around 5-5:15 am so I can run before work. But I do get to bed by 8:30-9pm typically.

by Anonymous 2 days ago

Here, elementary starts at 740. Middle 830. High school 9.

by Sufficient_Metal8716 2 days ago

You live in an enlightened area

by Molly15 2 days ago

I think it just comes down to school busses and drivers, tbh.

by Sufficient_Metal8716 2 days ago

My kids hs starts at 7:25. They love it because school is out at 2:15, and they are home by 2:30. This leaves so much time for hw, sports, work, and socializing. Guess what?!? They just have to go to bed. That's on the child and the parent. Later start time just means you'll stay up later, and ultimately get the same amount of sleep.

by BusinessExperience38 1 day ago

There's plenty of research to support their "moaning" try to empathize and consider many of them are in sport and after school programs or jobs well into the evening.. switching elementary and high school start times makes sense

by Anonymous 1 day ago

They have time in theory but generally their sleep rhythm doesn't line up with it and also many after school commitments/homework/studying they make going to sleep at 8pm unrealistic to get the 10 hours needed.

by Molly15 1 day ago

Was 3:30 for me. Hour long bus ride. No parents home. Had to make sure everyone got homework done. Laundry was done, and cook dinner. Had to be up at 5:30 to get ready to catch the bus. Oldest of 5. Not everyone gets a normal childhood. Was long time ago but with the middle class falling there are more teens taking on these responsibilities.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Exactly that's not a "normal childhood" you're not who I'm talking about.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

You did get quite the education in time management and learning to take care of people plus cooking skills. Many kids don't learn that til much later if at all. I know it was difficult but you were ahead of the game.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

I worked all through high school and wouldn't get home till 10:30-11. Stfu

by Responsible_Seat 1 day ago

While true… high schoolers bodies may not let them get to sleep until 11pm as your body's circadian rhythm shifts later as you get older. They can't control that. So they may have 17 hours but their body may only let them sleep for six of that.

by Lance53 1 day ago

Looks like you did 0 hw then? No sports? No extracurricular activities?

by misaelkuphal 1 day ago

An hour of homework or extracurriculars after school still leaves a ton of time

by Born_Recognition8408 1 day ago

I would say an hour of homework is rare, especially for high schoolers based on my experience (which to be fair was over 10 years ago). They'll have homework for most, if not all, of their (core) classes. Say an roughly 45 minutes to an hour for math, 2-3 hours for English depending on if they have a project or paper that they're working on, another hour for science (for those that are good at science), and another 2-3 hours for history for a paper or project. Even more if they're taking AP classes. Add in classes like art, theatre, culinary, language, health class, etc. and that's even more time. And not all extracurriculars are the same. It's not just an hour after school. It's before and after school. Theatre kids have play rehearsals which can last about 2 hours on a good day. Dance/cheer have morning practice and then there are game days where you stay after school until you're bussed to the game or competition with at least a two hour rehearsal after school. Athletics are a before and after school thing. Same with band. Some after school clubs would only be an hour but it heavily depends on what it is. For example, my school had a bowling club so they had to travel to the bowling alley. Finally, some of the kids work jobs after school. So they go straight from school to their job where they may work from 4 pm-9 pm, which is also dependent on their job. Then after work they still have to do their homework.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

homework and extraciriculars take like 2hrs each minimum

by Anonymous 1 day ago

A school in the UK. Chill out

by Born_Recognition8408 1 day ago

And then they have sports, socializing with friends, time with their family and homework keeping them busy until nearly 10pm most times. If you have any issue falling asleep at that point there won't be any chance of getting enough sleep. I finished high school in 2013 when nobody really cared if teens got enough sleep so I have no dog in this race

by kutchmafalda 1 day ago

A lot of them. Coming from families where long hours of studying is required. Athletes. Stress. Taking care of their own families. Jobs. Etc. Any adult that denies this like you is/was either: a lazy student when they were in grade school or you are just full of sh*t as an adult and are mad you are not young anymore.

by Schusterrosalin 1 day ago

What a bad take

by bereniceondrick 1 day ago

We went from 7-3. I had zero hour so I had to be there at 6. School was a half hour from me so that's an hour. We're down to 14 hours. I had band practice for two hours a day some days. I also had four hours of homework. Eight hours of sleep. That's it. That's the whole day. Dinner isn't on there. Nothing else is on there.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Many are now deciding to go to community college for an AA before transferring to a university. Or they go right into a trade school. Some are getting free community colleges course in high school. So no extracurriculars needed for that. Just work if they need the money.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

In our high school more than 90 go to 4 years college. And do sports

by RaiseAlone9164 1 day ago

Lots of kids ride the bus. So they get off at 3, but may not get home until 4, or later. And then there's homework. Safe to assume most high school kids have an at least an hour, average. So home and done with homework by 5pm. If they do sports or other afterschool stuff, that at least an hour, if not two. They also need to eat. We have a 5th grader. There are some days where has a barely an hour at home after getting off school, with appointments and sports and activities. The kids in his social group that do football have 2 hour practices 3 times a week from 5-7. So they have maybe 2 hours to do homework, relax and play and eat dinner on those days. Two waking hours for themselves, if you include eating, 3 days a week. Time gets eaten for kids after school if they do any actives/sports/library, travel teams, etc. The problem isn't the ‘plenty of time to get rest', the problem is that in order to get everything done that they need and want to, they're staying up later. It's the waking hours that get devoured.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

So 16 hours. 8 for sleep. that left you 8 hours. 2 hours of homework, which no way you were doing every single day. That left you 6 hours. 6 hours of free time every day. What a horrible injustice you had to endure…

by Anonymous 1 day ago

When my daughter was in middle school, we'd have to get her out the door by 5:45 to catch the bus

by Keyshawnschambe 1 day ago

it's shown with more science that later start times equals better performance. 🤷🏾‍♂️

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Shhhhh. Don't let facts get in the way of making children suffer because we did.

by Dariusstoltenbe 1 day ago

lol but also YES the amount of evidence that early starts, (in terms of the school day & formal eduction age) are detrimental & we still have the 'back in my day' folks arguing it works & we're all just feckless & lazy if we can't manage it or heaven forbid, don't want it

by FunctionAdmirable483 1 day ago

Turning suffering into a competition is so dumb, I hate it and people who "compete"

by khalil46 1 day ago

Let's make sure all children are pampered all their lives so grow up to be entitled snowflakes that are offended if they don't get their way. Oops

by Various_Audience 1 day ago

Yes but have you considered that keeping start times at the ass crack of dawn allows people like OP to bitch and moan about kids being lazy and/or undisciplined?

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Yeah but facts get in the way of just calling young people lazy.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

OPs feelings don't care about your facts

by DoubleReasonable 1 day ago

Look at you, coming in here with facts.

by Legitimate_Wish 1 day ago

Blaming children for not having perfect sleep schedules and ignoring the science behind later start dates being more beneficial… is certainly a stance

by Anonymous 1 day ago

The problem here is that teenagers in particular have their circadian rhythms out of wack, so the sleep hormones that the younger children and adults experience at a "reasonable" time don't kick in until much later at night for the teens. So essentially, the majority of teenagers DO naturally have what would be considered "insomnia" if it were in an adult or child.

by Financial_Age6191 1 day ago

Yeah! Don't let the actual sleep science get in the way of your personal feelings! /s

by Okiehn 1 day ago

Teens have a later circadian rhythm. So. No.

by LowChain 1 day ago

Especially teens who are neurodivergent in some way.

by Deonte95 1 day ago

The actual unpopular opinion being stated here is really just "I don't like what scientific and sociological research has discovered about optimal sleep and learning schedules for kids because I'm mad I have to get up early myself."

by Anonymous 1 day ago

There's a lot of people in this world who would rather have everyone be miserable like they are than have other people's lives be just a little easier.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Growing up is realizing it's a lot easier and more effective to change your own life to make yourself happier rather than just living like a crab in bucket.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Mid shifts and night shifts are always understaffed. The kids will be okay.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

What does the adult workforce have to do with the sleep needs of teens?

by rustyjohns 1 day ago

Many people here are claiming that kids need to suck it up and get over it because they will be adults one day who have to, apparently, have jobs with early start times.

by AmbitiousExplorer832 1 day ago

I wonder why they're understaffed…

by Feeling_Biscotti 1 day ago

This. My husband never needs to use an alarm because he goes to work at 430pm. I'm pretty jealous tbh.

by AmbitiousExplorer832 1 day ago

it's a known fact that children need more sleep, having to wake up at 6am for school is too early plain and simple, teenagers aren't going to go to sleep at 10pm... because they are teenagers.

by klingsantino 1 day ago

It's quite well known that teenagers are more often night owls, and their optimal sleep-wake times are later than adults, so functioning on a schedule that doesn't account for that can possibly lead to bad sleep, poor performance, and loads of other stuff.

by Feeling_Biscotti 1 day ago

You're right, this is an unpopular opinion

by Anonymous 1 day ago

IMO, there's a difference between an unpopular and uninformed opinion. This is just an uninformed opinion that completely ignores the science of sleep in various age groups.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Is it really an opinion when it's just flat-out wrong

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Opinions can be incorrect facts!

by Anonymous 1 day ago

nice just pure ideology no facts

by Similar-Bell 1 day ago

It's not an opinion, it's just being factually incorrect when we know that teens usually have later circadian rhythm because of hormonal changes related to puberty. There were even studies finding similar delay in other mammals during puberty.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

This is not an opinion, it‘s just objectively wrong. Studies have shown that teenagers have a naturally delayed circadian rhythm. Starting school later improves basically everything.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Not an unpopular opinion, just factually wrong.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

I had to be up at 4am to catch my bus...

by Meganedickinson 1 day ago

We dont need the four yorkshire men

by Quick_Ground314 1 day ago

I don't know enough about sleep science to say, but it feels a little unfair given the vast majority of office jobs start at 9 or later in my country. What do you do for work that you have it start at 7 OP?

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Not OP but I've done some factory work that started at 5 and also many retail places open at 6.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Yeah, but adults are there by choice and often can negotiate shifts. Our place starts at 6 for office workers, but most come in between 8 and 9. and in production or nursing people change shifts all of the time. With kids, they are often kinda stuck with one school and home schooling isn't possible for everyone. In my country it's downright illegal even. And lots of schools start at 7:30 and I'm grades 11 to 13 (age 17-19) many have a zeroeth hour class.

by pascaleschuppe 1 day ago

In the US it kind of depends. The east coast starts at 9am, but the midwest tends to start around 8am just like schools.

by Early_Ad3292 1 day ago

I would say outside of major cities, 8 am starts are more common than 9 am in the US. And people who work in trades easily start by 7 am. Anything later than a 8:00 am drop off would make most people late.

by Used_Tradition_9041 1 day ago

I start at 8, but don't show up til 9:30

by Anonymous 1 day ago

I'm a nurse and work 7am-3pm. My bf is a truck driver and has to be at work at 6am. There are more than just corporate office jobs out there.

by Alarming_Quail 1 day ago

Nothing opens at 9 or later in the US. Most jobs start between 4-8am

by TennisOk7139 1 day ago

Maybe in major cities. It's super common in small towns. Even restaurants and bars in major cities open later than that.

by morissetteameli 1 day ago

Restaurants have prep staff. They're still working even if not open. This goes for just about any business. Operating hours are not the only times employees are in the building.

by TennisOk7139 1 day ago

I worked from 9:30 for years . Now I have office work for. 8:30 and hate it. It ruins my sleep and feeling sleep deprived is not good. Going to bed early doesn't help, I am late owl. I will leave as soon as I find something

by RaiseAlone9164 1 day ago

Most manufacturing jobs also start at 7 or earlier. Including the engineering and office staff.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Office jobs are not the majority of jobs..in fact they are the lowest % of jobs out there. Hell I start work at 5am.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

I don't know how you define "office jobs" but by most definitions this just isn't true.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

But why?

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Fair enough

by Anonymous 1 day ago

I woke up at 6am ever day for Highschool. I would try to go to bed at 10pm, but would inevitably lay in bed for hours unable to sleep and dreading the morning. I wasn't able to adjust to an appropriate sleep schedule until I was around 22 I think. Before then, I simply couldn't sleep early enough to not be sleep deprived.

by Key_Letterhead 1 day ago

Young kids need more than 7-10 hours of sleep. Many elementary schools even start school before 8, which I find insane.

by ShallotSuperb 1 day ago

And when you live in a rural area you may have a 1 hour commute, I did

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Op clearly doesn't have kids

by ShallotSuperb 1 day ago

Setting yourself up for success, just remember work to live, don't live to work.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

I think your forgetting kids circadian rhythms are different from adults and they need more sleep, so it's not that it's impossible for kids to get enough sleep it's that it's harder, and for those who are on the far ends of the spectrum even harder ie kids who need 12 hours of sleep with a later circadian rhythm, causing them to be sleep deprived and more likely to fall behind in class

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Can someone please link that study that shows I think kids but especially teens just… biologically fall asleep and wake up later?

by Anonymous 1 day ago

I believe people say that based on research that says teens natural rhythm wants them to go to sleep later and wake up later. Besides, a lot of older kids are basically latch key kids, and school being from 10am-5pm gives them way less free time to get in trouble vs. school being 8am-3pm and they have a few hours alone

by Early_Ad3292 1 day ago

Kids do a lot of their development during unstructured unsupervised time, especially with friends. They don't just get in trouble, and also getting in trouble once in a while is part of learning and growing as a person. Kids need time with their parents too, but the older ones especially would probably do well with more unsupervised time. Not a good reason to force them to get up earlier, but a pretty bad reason to let them sleep in.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

You know what? You're right. One of the biggest issues with teens today is that they don't get enough unsupervised time. They don't every really get an opportunity to make their own choices and learn about consequences. Then we act shocked when they can't just "turn it on" at 18.

by Early_Ad3292 1 day ago

I was up at 6am every day during school and I handled it fine at the end of the day. Though I definitely was sleep deprived. I was sleep deprived and I pushed through it. Objectively I was "sleep deprived", even though I handled it, I don't think it is a good thing overall to have school age kids sleep deprived as "normal"

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Elementary school kids are up at the asscrack of dawn anyway but highschool for me started at 715 which means I used to have to get up prior to 6am to get ready, eat and catch the bus.

by fayelebsack 1 day ago

This isn't an unpopular opinion. It's simple wrong.

by jewelcrona 1 day ago

Objectively and scientifically you are wrong. There are numerous studies that say kids going through puberty perform better at later hours in the morning. In my town the bus picked kids up at 6:15 for high school. There is no world where having a bunch of 13-18 years olds getting up at 5-5:45 is going to help them perform better. I'm with what you are saying about getting ready for the real world, but I'd rather have kids have a good school experience, learn more, and have better mental health than just be ready to wake up early. Either way this won't change because of high school sports and afterschool activities. If kids started at 9:30 they would be at practice and games all night. It starts that early for a reason.

by mckenziewilbert 1 day ago

You know actual research has been done into this and you are incorrect

by Intelligent-Force588 1 day ago

School started at 7, I was expected to be in by 6:45. Children require more sleep than adults as their brains and bodies are still developing. They then spend 8 hours in school and get sent home with hours of homework. We need to relax on our kids and let them be kids for a while. I didn't need school to train me to be at my job at 6am, the paycheck is what trained me to do that.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

We have become so weak...

by abosco 1 day ago

Teens are biologically wired to start to stay up later, it's not just teens being teens that lead to them wanting to stay up past midnight its literally their circadian rhythm pushing them to be up later, without altering it with things like melatonin or sleep deprivation many teens just can't regularly fall asleep 10-11. School should start later to help those teens that literally can't fall asleep because of puberty.

by Any-Power4416 1 day ago

Science has disproved your opinion.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

When your opinion is directly against scientific studies, it goes from unpopular just flat out stupid.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Our jr high start at 7. Some busses are picking up at 6. As many have pointed out teen sleep schedules and needs are specific.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

When I taught school we had kids dropped off by buses at 6:40. Some kids were picked up by the bus before 6:00. Our school started at 7:10. Not every school starts at 8:00.

by Anonymous 1 day ago

Try reading some of the research about high school student sleep needs and patterns. I'm 50, not a teenager, so I don't gain anything by it.

by Anonymous 23 hours ago

It doesn't get any easier when you've got to go to work. Every. Single. Day. 🤣

by shadadams 23 hours ago

Yeah, who cares about the kids who live in the country and have an hour and a half (or more!) "commute" to get to school, right?

by Anonymous 23 hours ago

I woke up for school at 7am. Yes, 8am is way too early for teenagers. I never got used to waking up so damn early. At that age, I still went to bed at a reasonable time but it never helped because 7am was just too much for me. I was never able to focus at my 8am classes.

by One_Prior2087 23 hours ago

My husband grew up in Asia. School starts at 6am to beat the heat. Now that's early.

by Anonymous 23 hours ago

My kids high school bus picks him up at 5:45am Which means getting up by 4:45 to get eat, get dressed, brush teeth, etc. Not many high schoolers are going to bed at 8-8:30 to fall asleep by 8:45 to get 8 hours of sleep.

by Healthy_Guarantee_57 22 hours ago

Not an unpopular opinion, just objectively false (and still a popular concept, particularly among older people). Teenagers' circadian rhythms are shifted later than children and adults. "Going to bed earlier" just results in lying in bed, awake, for hours, which is 1. not sleep and 2. poor sleep hygiene and makes it harder to fall asleep I had to get up at 6 throughout highschool (would have been 5, if I'd taken the bus, due to my school's weirdness) and I was chronically sleep deprived despite going to bed at 9:30, because it was not possible for me to fall asleep until around 1 AM. Tried a lot of tricks. Nothing worked. I spent hours just... laying there. (And before you ask: no screens, no distractions, just laying there)

by Karleebins 22 hours ago

No. First, my kid school starts 7:20 and bus scheduled at 6:27. That's mean 5 am wake up which is not normal and nobody needs to " get used to it". Second, teens have late circadian rhythms and it's beneficial for them to start later . Your opinion plane wrong and not based on science or research. " my life sucks and so should yours" is barely an opinion

by RaiseAlone9164 22 hours ago

You clearly weren't a kid with a long bus ride. Some kids are getting on the bus at 6:30am.

by Anonymous 21 hours ago

I had a "zero hour" class back in high school. I was up at 5am and at school at 6 ha normal classes started at 7:15. Add some practice after school, I wasn't home until about 7pm, then homework (which I rarely did) in bed by 10 beat to hell. Repeat. I was tired often.

by torphymargarita 21 hours ago

My high school started around 7, and yes I was sleep deprived especially walking to school. This is a bad take considering how many studies about sleep deprivation in high school.

by Anonymous 21 hours ago

Elementary schools, maybe.

by darrell97 21 hours ago

High schools.

by Anonymous 21 hours ago

What I'm learning here is that American schools start weirdly early.

by lourdesmarquard 21 hours ago

It's not just how much sleep you get, but when you get it, that's important. Some people are naturally more suited to waking up early, but others aren't and it's unhealthy for them to do so.

by Anonymous 20 hours ago

We have an abundance of data showing that A) teenagers' (the age group late starts are actually recommended for) sleep schedules shift later than children an adults and B) later high school start times lead to increased attendance and performance. The APA recommends high schools start no earlier than 8:30 and yet 83% of schools start before then. Some starting up to an hour before that. Which seems like hell not only for kids but teachers too! Who benefits in this scenario??

by claudia16 20 hours ago

Believe it or not, bit there is a natural wakeup time based around the sun.

by cynthiaharber 20 hours ago

High school starts at 7:05 AM and the kiddos are involved in sports where they doesn't get back to the school until 10 pm at night at the earliest , with no option to come home right after the game. Between sports, honors and advanced class homework and her other extracurricular activities she is in fact sleep deprived,

by Sea_Conversation4580 20 hours ago

My grandkids get on the school bus at 6:30am. There's a logical fallacy in your belief that school starts at 8am.

by traceyrippin 20 hours ago

Back in Mexico City middle school, first CP would start at 7am. Because of the insane traffic, it would take between 1 to 2 hours (total gamble) to get there by school bus, even if it was only 2km away,, Impossible and forbidden to walk or bike due to how unsafe the area around there is, even though it would have been much faster. I used to wake up at 5am, all through middle school.

by Initial-Apricot 20 hours ago

do you not remember being 16, not being able to fall asleep until the late hours of the night & being forced out of bed at 7 to be ready for the bus that comes at 7:30? (maybe you're district was luckier but mine.. not so much). it wasn't because you WANTED to stay up, it's because your body gave you absolutely no choice but to

by ejones 20 hours ago

Take away the television(s), computers, cell phones, tablets, and video game consoles and I'll bet they get plenty of sleep.

by alessia61 19 hours ago

It was literally impossible for me to go to sleep earlier. A lot of people forget how much responsibility teenagers have. Extra curricular activities, chores, work, homework. Even if I got home at a reasonable hour with nothing to do and I got to bed early. I was still just staring at the ceiling getting more and more anxious about not sleeping enough as the hours to ticked by. High school sucked. Mine started at 7 am and the bus picked us up at around 6. I was very unconcerned with my appearance so I got up 10-15 beforehand. That's still really early. Being on a bus full of sleeping teenagers at what feels like midnight is a surreal experience. In senior year, I went to a college program that started later but I still had to get on the bus. So I had to get on a bus at 6, sleep on that bus, get to school, get on a different bus, sleep on that bus too, get to the commercial lab building my class was in and wait in the lobby. I did a good amount of sleeping in there too. The amount of weird looks I probably got…

by Anonymous 19 hours ago

I feel like I remember reading something about different age groups needing differing amounts of sleep. I think I remember the conclusion being that teens should start later than elementary aged kids. I've never come across a high school that started later than elementary, but it would be interesting to know if it really makes any difference. FWIW, 1000 years ago my high school first bell rang at 7:05am.

by Anonymous 19 hours ago

Teenagers need more sleep than adults

by Anonymous 19 hours ago

Ok boomer

by Anonymous 18 hours ago

IDK. To be devils advocate I kindof think kids have a lot on their plate now versus 20-30yrs ago. Having to be hyper vigilant just because of pew pewings is exhausting enough. HS students trying to get into college. Trying to fit in somewhere with peers. Not getting bullied. Technology. I can see why they "aren't getting sleep" and who knows maybe something is happening behind closed doors that is also causing stress. Getting up and going to work making $10/hr doesn't get you much now like it did 10yrs ago. A lot of people in this generations don't think it's worth it and would rather wait until after HS. And school is redundant and boring. It's not the 1950s so why are we still following that format. Get out your chalk and mini chalk boards everyone...we have a math quiz. 🤷‍♀️

by Anonymous 18 hours ago

You understand nothing about brain development, do you?

by Anonymous 18 hours ago

This is supposed to be unpopular opinions, not reality and science denying opinions. The results of the research is clear, children need more sleep than adults, and it is better for them to stay up later at night and sleep in in the morning. When they are allowed to do this, they perform better in almost every metric.

by Anonymous 18 hours ago